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thanks for the quick response. you guys at emu don\ufffdt even create cool gear,
you also have one of the fastest support i\ufffdve ever seen.  :-)

it\ufffds good to know that your are working on the timing bug.

i hope, i\ufffdve now undestood the rechannelize function. sadly it doesn\ufffdt do
all the things i want it to.
would it be possible to add some kind of midi echo  / midi thru  like
sofware sequencers have one. this would make the xl7 even more flexible,
when you are using external gear. my idea is that the midi in and the xl7
pads are rechannelized to the track settings. if the track settings are set
to ext midi out b, you\ufffdll be able to play an expander (like my waldorf \ufffdq)
using the xl7 pads or a master keyboard attached to midi in a.

what do you thing about this idea ?

aaron, can you give us a hint on the forthcoming usb support ? what will be
possible ? accesing the internal 32 channels only , or will it be possible
to acces the midi i/o a and the midi out b too ? this would be a dream,
because you don\ufffdt need any further midi interface for the rest of your gear
!

beside all these questionsm, problems and update suggestions : THE XL7 IS
REALLY COOL :-)

alexander

ps: is anybody interested in using the group chat ?

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Trouble with a new xl7


axr wrote:
1) there are timing problems when i switch between two patterns. both
patterns have the same content. when i switch from 001 to 002 everyting runs
smooth. if i do it the other way round there is a serious delay.
This is a known bug.  If you've edited a pattern (indicated by an * by the
name), switching to it will "chunk".  The workaround (till the next release,
when it'll be fixed) is to save the edited pattern and then revert to saved.

2) the rechannelize function does not work the way i expected it to do.i\ufffdm
using my xl7 in combination with a kawai k5000s ( connected with midi i/o
a ) and a waldorf \ufffdQ ( connected to midi out b).i\ufffdve set the xl7 to
rechannelize=always, track 3 to midichannel b1 (for the waldorf) and
dest:out.when i play the pads i always hear the waldorf and the xl7( playing
the sound assigned to channel b1). when i play the k5000s, which is set to
local off, i can only hear the xl7. the recorded data plays only on midi out
b1, as it should do.i thought rechannelize would allow me to play only the
waldorf,either playing the pads on the xl7 or the k5000s. i remember that
someone else on this list was talking about related problems.

If you turn local off, it will keep the pads from playing the internal
synth.  Right now the two functions ("rechannelize to track channel" and
"midi thru") aren't really interrelated.  The soft thru happens before the
rechannelization (hence the internal channel 3, external channel 1 thing).

3)i\ufffdve noticed a strange thing in the midi setupwhen i load a new user multi
setup the parameter "midi in channels 1-16 " says "---" . when i change it i
can only switch between a or b. can anyone give me a hint, on this problems

If you don't have any user presets that you've edited (or have backed up any
presets that you changed) you could reinitialize user data.  Boot into
diagnostics (hold two cursors when you power up) and select "17 Init Data
Except Seq".  Make sure you DO NOT select "16 Initialize User Data" as you
will lose ALL SEQUENCES.
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I agree with AXR. I expected that the re-channelize function would do 
what he describes here.

Please add this feature. I care about this feature more than all the 
internal sounds, or filters, or effects or anything else, because 
this is something I expect all sequencers to do. I was suprised that 
the XL-7 didn't do this.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "axr" <axr@g...> wrote:
> thanks for the quick response. you guys at emu don´t even create 
cool gear,
> you also have one of the fastest support i´ve ever seen.  :-)
> 
> it´s good to know that your are working on the timing bug.
> 
> i hope, i´ve now undestood the rechannelize function. sadly it 
doesn´t do
> all the things i want it to.
> would it be possible to add some kind of midi echo  / midi thru  
like
> sofware sequencers have one. this would make the xl7 even more 
flexible,
> when you are using external gear. my idea is that the midi in and 
the xl7
> pads are rechannelized to the track settings. if the track settings 
are set
> to ext midi out b, you´ll be able to play an expander (like my 
waldorf µq)
> using the xl7 pads or a master keyboard attached to midi in a.
> 
> what do you thing about this idea ?
> 
> aaron, can you give us a hint on the forthcoming usb support ? what 
will be
> possible ? accesing the internal 32 channels only , or will it be 
possible
> to acces the midi i/o a and the midi out b too ? this would be a 
dream,
> because you don´t need any further midi interface for the rest of 
your gear
> !
> 
> beside all these questionsm, problems and update suggestions : THE 
XL7 IS
> REALLY COOL :-)
> 
> alexander
> 
> ps: is anybody interested in using the group chat ?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Eppolito
> To: xl7@y...
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Trouble with a new xl7
> 
> 
> axr wrote:
> 1) there are timing problems when i switch between two patterns. 
both
> patterns have the same content. when i switch from 001 to 002 
everyting runs
> smooth. if i do it the other way round there is a serious delay.
> This is a known bug.  If you've edited a pattern (indicated by an * 
by the
> name), switching to it will "chunk".  The workaround (till the next 
release,
> when it'll be fixed) is to save the edited pattern and then revert 
to saved.
> 
> 2) the rechannelize function does not work the way i expected it to 
do.i´m
> using my xl7 in combination with a kawai k5000s ( connected with 
midi i/o
> a ) and a waldorf µQ ( connected to midi out b).i´ve set the xl7 to
> rechannelize=always, track 3 to midichannel b1 (for the waldorf) and
> dest:out.when i play the pads i always hear the waldorf and the xl7
( playing
> the sound assigned to channel b1). when i play the k5000s, which is 
set to
> local off, i can only hear the xl7. the recorded data plays only on 
midi out
> b1, as it should do.i thought rechannelize would allow me to play 
only the
> waldorf,either playing the pads on the xl7 or the k5000s. i 
remember that
> someone else on this list was talking about related problems.
> 
> If you turn local off, it will keep the pads from playing the 
internal
> synth.  Right now the two functions ("rechannelize to track 
channel" and
> "midi thru") aren't really interrelated.  The soft thru happens 
before the
> rechannelization (hence the internal channel 3, external channel 1 
thing).
> 
> 3)i´ve noticed a strange thing in the midi setupwhen i load a new 
user multi
> setup the parameter "midi in channels 1-16 " says "---" . when i 
change it i
> can only switch between a or b. can anyone give me a hint, on this 
problems
> 
> If you don't have any user presets that you've edited (or have 
backed up any
> presets that you changed) you could reinitialize user data.  Boot 
into
> diagnostics (hold two cursors when you power up) and select "17 
Init Data
> Except Seq".  Make sure you DO NOT select "16 Initialize User Data" 
as you

> will lose ALL SEQUENCES.
> -Aaron
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> 
> 
> 
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On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 08:28 AM, axr wrote:

> aaron, can you give us a hint on the forthcoming usb support ? what 
> will be
> possible ? accesing the internal 32 channels only , or will it be 
> possible
> to acces the midi i/o a and the midi out b too ? this would be a dream,
> because you don´t need any further midi interface for the rest of your 
> gear
> !

The first release of USB support will only work with E-Loader for 
speeding up the sending of sequences. You will not be able to access the 
MIDI channels with your sequencer. We are looking into that for a later 
release. You will still need to use standard MIDI for doing sequencing 
and such. Note you will be able to have both standard MIDI and USB 
connected at the same time and therefore your sequencer can be active 
while E-Loader is running, which is not normally possible in Windows 
MIDI without some kind of third-party driver.

Note that USB is not available for Win95 or WinNT. Though I've heard 
there are third-party patches to enable USB in these OSs, it has not 
been tested and is not officially supported. It has been tested with 
Win98, SE, ME, 2000 and XP.

A Mac OS 9 version will follow next, probably in about two months time.

Scott

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Please, I just want to know if you're planning to add this feature 
soon?

When I select Out A or Out B, i do NOT wish the keypads to also play 
the internal sounds as well. I mean, if I would like the XL-7 to do 
that I would of course select "Both" instead of "Out"

The same with the midi keyboard connected to the XL-7.

If this feature is not planned, I will probably sell the XL-7 and 
buying something else. (I'm very dissapointed to tell the truth)

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> I agree with AXR. I expected that the re-channelize function would 
do 
> what he describes here.
> 
> Please add this feature. I care about this feature more than all 
the 
> internal sounds, or filters, or effects or anything else, because 
> this is something I expect all sequencers to do. I was suprised 
that 
> the XL-7 didn't do this.
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "axr" <axr@g...> wrote:
> > thanks for the quick response. you guys at emu don´t even create 
> cool gear,
> > you also have one of the fastest support i´ve ever seen.  :-)
> > 
> > it´s good to know that your are working on the timing bug.
> > 
> > i hope, i´ve now undestood the rechannelize function. sadly it 
> doesn´t do
> > all the things i want it to.
> > would it be possible to add some kind of midi echo  / midi thru  
> like
> > sofware sequencers have one. this would make the xl7 even more 
> flexible,
> > when you are using external gear. my idea is that the midi in and 
> the xl7
> > pads are rechannelized to the track settings. if the track 
settings 
> are set
> > to ext midi out b, you´ll be able to play an expander (like my 
> waldorf µq)
> > using the xl7 pads or a master keyboard attached to midi in a.
> > 
> > what do you thing about this idea ?
> > 
> > aaron, can you give us a hint on the forthcoming usb support ? 
what 
> will be
> > possible ? accesing the internal 32 channels only , or will it be 
> possible
> > to acces the midi i/o a and the midi out b too ? this would be a 
> dream,
> > because you don´t need any further midi interface for the rest of 
> your gear
> > !
> > 
> > beside all these questionsm, problems and update suggestions : 
THE 
> XL7 IS
> > REALLY COOL :-)
> > 
> > alexander
> > 
> > ps: is anybody interested in using the group chat ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aaron Eppolito
> > To: xl7@y...
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [xl7] Trouble with a new xl7
> > 
> > 
> > axr wrote:
> > 1) there are timing problems when i switch between two patterns. 
> both
> > patterns have the same content. when i switch from 001 to 002 
> everyting runs
> > smooth. if i do it the other way round there is a serious delay.
> > This is a known bug.  If you've edited a pattern (indicated by an 
* 
> by the
> > name), switching to it will "chunk".  The workaround (till the 
next 
> release,
> > when it'll be fixed) is to save the edited pattern and then 
revert 
> to saved.
> > 
> > 2) the rechannelize function does not work the way i expected it 
to 
> do.i´m
> > using my xl7 in combination with a kawai k5000s ( connected with 
> midi i/o
> > a ) and a waldorf µQ ( connected to midi out b).i´ve set the xl7 
to
> > rechannelize=always, track 3 to midichannel b1 (for the waldorf) 
and
> > dest:out.when i play the pads i always hear the waldorf and the 
xl7
> ( playing
> > the sound assigned to channel b1). when i play the k5000s, which 
is 
> set to
> > local off, i can only hear the xl7. the recorded data plays only 
on 
> midi out
> > b1, as it should do.i thought rechannelize would allow me to play 
> only the
> > waldorf,either playing the pads on the xl7 or the k5000s. i 
> remember that
> > someone else on this list was talking about related problems.
> > 
> > If you turn local off, it will keep the pads from playing the 
> internal
> > synth.  Right now the two functions ("rechannelize to track 
> channel" and
> > "midi thru") aren't really interrelated.  The soft thru happens 
> before the
> > rechannelization (hence the internal channel 3, external channel 
1 
> thing).
> > 
> > 3)i´ve noticed a strange thing in the midi setupwhen i load a new 
> user multi
> > setup the parameter "midi in channels 1-16 " says "---" . when i 
> change it i
> > can only switch between a or b. can anyone give me a hint, on 
this 
> problems
> > 
> > If you don't have any user presets that you've edited (or have 
> backed up any
> > presets that you changed) you could reinitialize user data.  Boot 
> into
> > diagnostics (hold two cursors when you power up) and select "17 
> Init Data
> > Except Seq".  Make sure you DO NOT select "16 Initialize User 
Data" 
> as you
> > will lose ALL SEQUENCES.
> > -Aaron
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Service.

Looks like my message wasn't sent. I'll try again. Sorry if I've said 
this twice:

When I set the port to Out A or Out B, and turn Re-channelize on, I 
do not wish the keypads to play the internal sounds (If I wanted this 
I would set the output to "Both"). And I want my MIDI keyboard to 
play the external ports when I select "Out A" or "Out B", not the 
internal.

All I want to know is: Are you planning to add this feature soon? If 
not I'll probably sell the XL-7 and get another sequencer.

//Nifflas


--- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> I agree with AXR. I expected that the re-channelize function would 
do 
> what he describes here.
> 
> Please add this feature. I care about this feature more than all 
the 
> internal sounds, or filters, or effects or anything else, because 
> this is something I expect all sequencers to do. I was suprised 
that 
> the XL-7 didn't do this.
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "axr" <axr@g...> wrote:
> > thanks for the quick response. you guys at emu don´t even create 
> cool gear,
> > you also have one of the fastest support i´ve ever seen.  :-)
> > 
> > it´s good to know that your are working on the timing bug.
> > 
> > i hope, i´ve now undestood the rechannelize function. sadly it 
> doesn´t do
> > all the things i want it to.
> > would it be possible to add some kind of midi echo  / midi thru  
> like
> > sofware sequencers have one. this would make the xl7 even more 
> flexible,
> > when you are using external gear. my idea is that the midi in and 
> the xl7
> > pads are rechannelized to the track settings. if the track 
settings 
> are set
> > to ext midi out b, you´ll be able to play an expander (like my 
> waldorf µq)
> > using the xl7 pads or a master keyboard attached to midi in a.
> > 
> > what do you thing about this idea ?
> > 
> > aaron, can you give us a hint on the forthcoming usb support ? 
what 
> will be
> > possible ? accesing the internal 32 channels only , or will it be 
> possible
> > to acces the midi i/o a and the midi out b too ? this would be a 
> dream,
> > because you don´t need any further midi interface for the rest of 
> your gear
> > !
> > 
> > beside all these questionsm, problems and update suggestions : 
THE 
> XL7 IS
> > REALLY COOL :-)
> > 
> > alexander
> > 
> > ps: is anybody interested in using the group chat ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Aaron Eppolito
> > To: xl7@y...
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [xl7] Trouble with a new xl7
> > 
> > 
> > axr wrote:
> > 1) there are timing problems when i switch between two patterns. 
> both
> > patterns have the same content. when i switch from 001 to 002 
> everyting runs
> > smooth. if i do it the other way round there is a serious delay.
> > This is a known bug.  If you've edited a pattern (indicated by an 
* 
> by the
> > name), switching to it will "chunk".  The workaround (till the 
next 
> release,
> > when it'll be fixed) is to save the edited pattern and then 
revert 
> to saved.
> > 
> > 2) the rechannelize function does not work the way i expected it 
to 
> do.i´m
> > using my xl7 in combination with a kawai k5000s ( connected with 
> midi i/o
> > a ) and a waldorf µQ ( connected to midi out b).i´ve set the xl7 
to
> > rechannelize=always, track 3 to midichannel b1 (for the waldorf) 
and
> > dest:out.when i play the pads i always hear the waldorf and the 
xl7
> ( playing
> > the sound assigned to channel b1). when i play the k5000s, which 
is 
> set to
> > local off, i can only hear the xl7. the recorded data plays only 
on 
> midi out
> > b1, as it should do.i thought rechannelize would allow me to play 
> only the
> > waldorf,either playing the pads on the xl7 or the k5000s. i 
> remember that
> > someone else on this list was talking about related problems.
> > 
> > If you turn local off, it will keep the pads from playing the 
> internal
> > synth.  Right now the two functions ("rechannelize to track 
> channel" and
> > "midi thru") aren't really interrelated.  The soft thru happens 
> before the
> > rechannelization (hence the internal channel 3, external channel 
1 
> thing).
> > 
> > 3)i´ve noticed a strange thing in the midi setupwhen i load a new 
> user multi
> > setup the parameter "midi in channels 1-16 " says "---" . when i 
> change it i
> > can only switch between a or b. can anyone give me a hint, on 
this 
> problems
> > 
> > If you don't have any user presets that you've edited (or have 
> backed up any
> > presets that you changed) you could reinitialize user data.  Boot 
> into
> > diagnostics (hold two cursors when you power up) and select "17 
> Init Data
> > Except Seq".  Make sure you DO NOT select "16 Initialize User 
Data" 
> as you
> > will lose ALL SEQUENCES.
> > -Aaron
> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > xl7-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Service.

Hey there Nifflas got a quick fix for you on this one.  I found the 
same thing rather odd but quickly reolized that all you have to do 
is set the Preset in the track that you are using to default. There 
are no sounds in it and allows me to totaly avoid the problem.

There ya go, hope that helps you out.

Mike

--- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> Please, I just want to know if you're planning to add this feature 
> soon?
> 
> When I select Out A or Out B, i do NOT wish the keypads to also 
play 
> the internal sounds as well. I mean, if I would like the XL-7 to 
do 

> that I would of course select "Both" instead of "Out"
> 
> The same with the midi keyboard connected to the XL-7.
> 
> If this feature is not planned, I will probably sell the XL-7 and 
> buying something else. (I'm very dissapointed to tell the truth)
> 
> //Nifflas
>

You can also go into the MIDI page and disable the internal MIDI channel
or channels. This setup can be saved into a Multi setup. You can have
different channels disabled for different patterns as long as you load
in the desired Multi (Global). Our next release is planned for the end
of February but I can't guarantee our implementation of re
channelization will be the way you want it. We are certainly looking in
to it.

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

mikexl7 wrote:

> 
> Hey there Nifflas got a quick fix for you on this one.  I found the
> same thing rather odd but quickly reolized that all you have to do
> is set the Preset in the track that you are using to default. There
> are no sounds in it and allows me to totaly avoid the problem.
> 
> There ya go, hope that helps you out.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> > Please, I just want to know if you're planning to add this feature
> > soon?
> >
> > When I select Out A or Out B, i do NOT wish the keypads to also
> play
> > the internal sounds as well. I mean, if I would like the XL-7 to
> do
> > that I would of course select "Both" instead of "Out"
> >
> > The same with the midi keyboard connected to the XL-7.
> >
> > If this feature is not planned, I will probably sell the XL-7 and
> > buying something else. (I'm very dissapointed to tell the truth)
> >
> > //Nifflas
> >
> 
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Thanks! It works. Still one problem remains, the midi keyboard is not 
routed to the output of the selected track (Out B or Out A), and it 
won't work if I turn on Midi thru, it still doesn't output to the 
selected track channel.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "mikexl7" <mikexl7@y...> wrote:
> Hey there Nifflas got a quick fix for you on this one.  I found the 
> same thing rather odd but quickly reolized that all you have to do 
> is set the Preset in the track that you are using to default. There 
> are no sounds in it and allows me to totaly avoid the problem.
> 
> There ya go, hope that helps you out.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> > Please, I just want to know if you're planning to add this 
feature 

> > soon?
> > 
> > When I select Out A or Out B, i do NOT wish the keypads to also 
> play 
> > the internal sounds as well. I mean, if I would like the XL-7 to 
> do 
> > that I would of course select "Both" instead of "Out"
> > 
> > The same with the midi keyboard connected to the XL-7.
> > 
> > If this feature is not planned, I will probably sell the XL-7 and 
> > buying something else. (I'm very dissapointed to tell the truth)
> > 
> > //Nifflas
> >

What... why? It's so simple, and a basic feature which all sequencers 
has. I mean, if you use a midi keyboard and external synths, this is 
the way you expect a sequencer to behave. All software sequencers 
I've ever used behave like this in default.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> You can also go into the MIDI page and disable the internal MIDI 
channel
> or channels. This setup can be saved into a Multi setup. You can 
have
> different channels disabled for different patterns as long as you 
load
> in the desired Multi (Global). Our next release is planned for the 
end
> of February but I can't guarantee our implementation of re
> channelization will be the way you want it. We are certainly 
looking in
> to it.
> 
> sean at e-mu / ensoniq
> 
> mikexl7 wrote:
> > 
> > Hey there Nifflas got a quick fix for you on this one.  I found 
the
> > same thing rather odd but quickly reolized that all you have to do
> > is set the Preset in the track that you are using to default. 
There
> > are no sounds in it and allows me to totaly avoid the problem.
> > 
> > There ya go, hope that helps you out.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> > > Please, I just want to know if you're planning to add this 
feature
> > > soon?
> > >
> > > When I select Out A or Out B, i do NOT wish the keypads to also
> > play
> > > the internal sounds as well. I mean, if I would like the XL-7 to
> > do
> > > that I would of course select "Both" instead of "Out"
> > >
> > > The same with the midi keyboard connected to the XL-7.
> > >
> > > If this feature is not planned, I will probably sell the XL-7 
and
> > > buying something else. (I'm very dissapointed to tell the truth)
> > >
> > > //Nifflas
> > >
> > 
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