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programming jungle & d'n'b

2004-04-22 by Leo Cavallo

hi Paolo

(are you the same Paolo from the Looper's Delight mailing list? I was 
hanging out there a few years ago, when I was still perfomring live with 
Chapman Stick and various looping devices... now I'm just a studio cat... 
hey, I miss those days a little bit...)

I completely agree with the guy (sorry, I don't remember the name) who said 
that d'n'b and jungle as music styles are all about sound/timbre.

it's really all about the sound, even before the usual fast rolls ot the 
typical sub bass lines.

and obviously it's not a coincidence that the genre was born out of the use 
of digital samplers: using them the d'n'b pioneers were able to modify 
sounds in extreme and creative new ways.

anyway, even it's all about the sound, this doesn't automatically mean 
you'll have to use the same old breaks and synth samples for creating your 
tracks: what really matters is the way you approach the 
processing/filtering/mangling of the sounds you're using... that really 
makes the difference.

that's the reason, to me, why all these grooveboxes around (Command 
Stations included, sorry guys...) don't produce a decent d'n'b/jungle sound 
right "out of the box". they're too clean and perfect sounding, even when 
they try to imitate nastier sounds (Roland and Yamah suck big time in this 
area, IMHO)

they can sound great on their own (and the Command Stations do sound 
great!) or fit perfectly in other music styles but the sound of the genres 
we're talking about is way rougher, more crude and filtered than what just 
working with a groovebox can offer.

having said this I wanna add that my MP7 is a great STARTING POINT for 
creating new breaks. program something simple hitting those pads or using 
the excellent step sequencer (those knobs controlling velocity values are 
ideal for creating the right nuances in programming ghost notes and 
realistic snare/hihat patterns) and then sample it to take it to the next 
level.

try to limit your GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) and stick to Logic. it's 
a great working environment and the huge amount of plugins included with 
the software can really make a big difference when trying to improve the 
quality of your sounds.

in my experience the key elements for creating convincing jungle sounds 
(from breaks to sfx) are just a few and not THAT difficult to master:

- compression: the breaks, the bass lines and the vocals (mostly if you're 
using MCs) are usually very compressed, removing most of the dynamic of the 
performance but getting a really heavy, in your face sound. try progamming 
a basic break (nada too complex. the frenetic programming stage will come 
later) on the Command Station, sampling it in Logic and processing it with 
load of compression (if you have good hardware, even better). most of the 
times you don't want to attenuate the transient of the hits in the break 
(so Attack time should be set to medium-slow rates). decrease the Release 
rate instead, so the weaker part of the break (the "and" part of the beat, 
where usually hi-hats, ghost notes, reveber tails, etc. are) comes up in 
volume, giving you a stronger sense of ambience and roughness. adjust the 
treshold and ratio parameters to fit the nature/volume of the break.

- filtering: never enough. good sounding, resonating filters are essentials 
to good d'n'b programming. go to the extremes with LP, HP and BP.

- distortion: from analog to digital, a well-dosed amount of distortion 
doesn't just dirty up the sound but create/add new harmonics, resulting in 
more interesting samples.

- reverb: usually all the "accessory" sounds (basically everything except 
the drums and the bass. like pads, sfx, voices, synths, etc.) float in huge 
virtual spaces. giving the right sense of space is vital in d'n'b programming.

well, obviously this is just my very personal view on the topic and for 
sure it's not intended to cover the whole subject of producing great d'n'b 
tracks. there are so many other elements and details to take into 
consideration... and I just realized that I'm incredibly late!  :)
anyway, I hope all this can help/inspire you. feel free to ask more, either 
on the list or privately.
ciao
leo cavallo
www.groundloops.com

Re: programming jungle & d'n'b

2004-04-22 by paolovalladolid

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Leo Cavallo <leocavallo@g...> wrote:

> (are you the same Paolo from the Looper's Delight mailing list? I 

Ciao, Leo!  Yes, after hearing that amazing drum-and-bass track you 
posted a couple of years ago to LD, how could I forget you?  

For the rest of the group, despite what Leo said about Yamaha 
samplers, that kickass d-n-b track of his was done on a Yamaha A3000 
or A4000.

> try to limit your GAS (gear acquisition syndrome) and stick to 
Logic. it's 

LOL!  I am indeed going to stick to my Logic Big Box/M-Audio Delta 66 
for the forseeable future because that's what I already have.

I won't guarantee I'll stay on that platform forever though.  If and 
when I feel the need to upgrade, I could get a competitive upgrade to 
Digital Performer for about $300.  Upgrading to Logic Pro would cost 
twice that much.

> well, obviously this is just my very personal view on the topic and 
for 
> sure it's not intended to cover the whole subject of producing 
great d'n'b 
> tracks. there are so many other elements and details to take into 
> consideration... and I just realized that I'm incredibly late!  :)
> anyway, I hope all this can help/inspire you. feel free to ask 
more, either 
> on the list or privately.
> ciao
> leo cavallo
> www.groundloops.com

Dude, what you did share was generous already.  I have a great amount 
of respect for your d'n'b production skillz.  Thanks for posting 
that, man!  I'm saving your post for future reference and I look 
forward to checking out your other tracks.

Paolo

Re: programming jungle & d'n'b

2004-04-23 by Leo Cavallo

hi Paolo


> > (are you the same Paolo from the Looper's Delight mailing list? I
>
>Ciao, Leo!  Yes, after hearing that amazing drum-and-bass track you
>posted a couple of years ago to LD, how could I forget you?

LOL!!!! :)

thanks man... but... ehm... which one???
;)

>For the rest of the group, despite what Leo said about Yamaha
>samplers, that kickass d-n-b track of his was done on a Yamaha A3000
>or A4000.

well, I was talking more specifically about Yamaha and Roland 
grooveboxes... I could add some personal comments about yamaha samplers, 
but this is not the right place... :)


>Dude, what you did share was generous already.  I have a great amount
>of respect for your d'n'b production skillz.

I'm not really a d'n'b producer... I just like the genre a lot... :)

>Thanks for posting
>that, man!  I'm saving your post for future reference and I look
>forward to checking out your other tracks.

glad it helped in some way...
ciao
leo cavallo

Re: programming jungle & d'n'b

2004-04-23 by paolovalladolid

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Leo Cavallo <leocavallo@g...> wrote:
> hi Paolo
> 
> 
> > > (are you the same Paolo from the Looper's Delight mailing list? 
I
> >
> >Ciao, Leo!  Yes, after hearing that amazing drum-and-bass track you
> >posted a couple of years ago to LD, how could I forget you?
> 
> LOL!!!! :)
> 
> thanks man... but... ehm... which one???
> ;)

The one that prompted Kim to respond: "Leo is my new Drum-and-Bass 
God". :)

It was around that time that you guys on that list got me interested 
in listening to d'n'b, and when I first heard of Squarepusher and 
Photek.

> >Dude, what you did share was generous already.  I have a great 
amount
> >of respect for your d'n'b production skillz.
> 
> I'm not really a d'n'b producer... I just like the genre a lot... :)

Me too!  I saw on your site you're produce other things too, but I 
like what I've heard of your d'n'b stuff.

Paolo

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