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Hi,

According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the according 
presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.

I just made an empty pattern. Length 1, midi channels assigned to ext 
and int, and set the volume to 127 and the pan to 00 on all tracks. 
Then of course save the thing on 000-0, so wehn powering up this 
empty pattern starts (thanks rEalm).

However it restores the wrong settings. I cannot exactly see whats 
it's doing but this is one of the errors (?).

Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left, 
leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me with the 
settings of 002-0. So it looks like it remembers the settings of the 
last read pattern and puts it in the pattern I'm working on.

The box is a wwek old and I installed OS 1.18.

Any help is kindly appreciated!

Regards,
Richard

In addition: revert to saved doesn't solve the problem as nothing is 
reverted!

--- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the according 
> presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.
> 
> I just made an empty pattern. Length 1, midi channels assigned to 
ext 
> and int, and set the volume to 127 and the pan to 00 on all tracks. 
> Then of course save the thing on 000-0, so wehn powering up this 
> empty pattern starts (thanks rEalm).
> 
> However it restores the wrong settings. I cannot exactly see whats 
> it's doing but this is one of the errors (?).
> 
> Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left, 
> leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me with 
the 
> settings of 002-0. So it looks like it remembers the settings of 
the 
> last read pattern and puts it in the pattern I'm working on.
> 
> The box is a wwek old and I installed OS 1.18.
> 
> Any help is kindly appreciated!
> 
> Regards,
> Richard

--- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> In addition: revert to saved doesn't solve the problem as nothing 
is 
> reverted!
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the according 
> > presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.
> > 
> > According to page 100 of the manual "A MULTISETUP INCLUDES ALL 
THE FOLLOWING PARAMETERS:
Preset/Volume/Pan/Arp assingments for each of the 32 MIDI channels
Multisetup name 
Etc. etc. etc.

    So put simpley you need to save that in a multisetup!
> > 
> > Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left, 
> > leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me with 
> the 
> > settings of 002-0. 
The data entry dial responds differently because it allows you to fly 
thru large banks or menus if you so desire by moving it fast or item 
by item moving it slow.

> > Hope that helps! 
    If in doubt , read the manual a little more, there is always 
going to be something you misinterpret on the first time thru!
Good luck 
Emunky
> >

Thanks for the comments, but this isn't what I mean (or I'm just very 
ignorant).

This is the sequence:
1. Power up
2. Pattern 000-0 appears with Volume= 127 and Pan= 00 on all channels 
and track.
3. I dial pattern 001-0 (which is an EMU programmed pattern). Then 
switch back to 000-0. All settings of the 001-0 have been taken over 
in 000-0.

Reverting doesn't solve it, because it leaves the data untouched (so 
001-0 is still the same as 000-0).

Am I stupid or.....

And as for multisetups: should I then always save a pattern AND a 
multisetup and later load both of them to use the data again?

I read the manual extensively (including the PDF-file for the OS 
1.18) but I'm lost here.

Kind regards,
Richard





--- In xl7@y..., "tekmunky" <tekmunky@p...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> > In addition: revert to saved doesn't solve the problem as nothing 
> is 
> > reverted!
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the 
according 
> > > presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.
> > > 
> > > According to page 100 of the manual "A MULTISETUP INCLUDES ALL 
> THE FOLLOWING PARAMETERS:
> Preset/Volume/Pan/Arp assingments for each of the 32 MIDI channels
> Multisetup name 
> Etc. etc. etc.
> 
>     So put simpley you need to save that in a multisetup!
> > > 
> > > Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left, 
> > > leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me 
with 
> > the 
> > > settings of 002-0. 
> The data entry dial responds differently because it allows you to 
fly 
> thru large banks or menus if you so desire by moving it fast or 
item 
> by item moving it slow.
> 
> > > Hope that helps! 
>     If in doubt , read the manual a little more, there is always 
> going to be something you misinterpret on the first time thru!
> Good luck 
> Emunky
> > >

--- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
>  
Well sorry if I misunderstood you and I am afraid I still don`t 
understand the first question .
> And as for multisetups, I always save a multisetup and a pattern as 
well as individual presets for each pattern. The multisetup contains 
much of the relevant info, it is a snapshot of what all the settings 
are at.

When you switch back to Pattern 000-0, are you hitting play?  The pattern 
parameters won't be restored until play the pattern.  They are saved as 
the very first events in the pattern, and won't be tramsitted until 
playback.

rEalm




Thanks for the comments, but this isn't what I mean (or I'm just very 
ignorant).

This is the sequence:
1. Power up
2. Pattern 000-0 appears with Volume= 127 and Pan= 00 on all channels 
and track.
3. I dial pattern 001-0 (which is an EMU programmed pattern). Then 
switch back to 000-0. All settings of the 001-0 have been taken over 
in 000-0.

Reverting doesn't solve it, because it leaves the data untouched (so 
001-0 is still the same as 000-0).

Am I stupid or.....

And as for multisetups: should I then always save a pattern AND a 
multisetup and later load both of them to use the data again?

I read the manual extensively (including the PDF-file for the OS 
1.18) but I'm lost here.

Kind regards,
Richard





--- In xl7@y..., "tekmunky" <tekmunky@p...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> > In addition: revert to saved doesn't solve the problem as nothing 
> is 
> > reverted!
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "shredbabe" <itexpert@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the 
according 
> > > presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.
> > > 
> > > According to page 100 of the manual "A MULTISETUP INCLUDES ALL 
> THE FOLLOWING PARAMETERS:
> Preset/Volume/Pan/Arp assingments for each of the 32 MIDI channels
> Multisetup name 
> Etc. etc. etc.
> 
>     So put simpley you need to save that in a multisetup!
> > > 
> > > Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left, 
> > > leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me 
with 
> > the 
> > > settings of 002-0. 
> The data entry dial responds differently because it allows you to 
fly 
> thru large banks or menus if you so desire by moving it fast or 
item 
> by item moving it slow.
> 
> > > Hope that helps! 
>     If in doubt , read the manual a little more, there is always 
> going to be something you misinterpret on the first time thru!
> Good luck 
> Emunky
> > >


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Note to everybody!  The XL-7 saves information only for tracks you've
recorded on!  This means that unless you have put some notes or other data on
a track, it doesn't save that track's state.  This is so the XL-7 isn't
always sending out a flood of midi data every pattern change.  It only sends
out what it needs.

-Aaron

shredbabe wrote:

> Hi,
>
> According to the manual saving a pattern also saves the according
> presets, volume and pan settings on the 16 tracks.
>
> I just made an empty pattern. Length 1, midi channels assigned to ext
> and int, and set the volume to 127 and the pan to 00 on all tracks.
> Then of course save the thing on 000-0, so wehn powering up this
> empty pattern starts (thanks rEalm).
>
> However it restores the wrong settings. I cannot exactly see whats
> it's doing but this is one of the errors (?).
>
> Turning the dial to for instance 004-0 and then do a hard left,
> leaves me with the settings of 004-0. A slow left leaves me with the
> settings of 002-0. So it looks like it remembers the settings of the
> last read pattern and puts it in the pattern I'm working on.
>
> The box is a wwek old and I installed OS 1.18.
>
> Any help is kindly appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
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You should probably read my other post first, it'll make this one make more
sense...

shredbabe wrote:

> Thanks for the comments, but this isn't what I mean (or I'm just very
> ignorant).
>
> This is the sequence:
> 1. Power up
> 2. Pattern 000-0 appears with Volume= 127 and Pan= 00 on all channels
> and track.

Since your pattern 0 is saved with no data on it, it comes up defaulted to
127, 0, etc.


> 3. I dial pattern 001-0 (which is an EMU programmed pattern).

Since pattern 1 does have data on it, it comes up loaded with it's settings.


> Then switch back to 000-0. All settings of the 001-0 have
> been taken over in 000-0.

Since your pattern 0 still has no data on it, it leaves the settings from the
previously loaded info.


> And as for multisetups: should I then always save a pattern AND a
> multisetup and later load both of them to use the data again?

Nah.  The pattern should save everything it needs to.  If you want to do
pattern "templates" which is what you seem to be trying to do, either save a
multisetup and load it before saving a pattern, or put some data on the
tracks in question.

If you guys need some more help on the workings of presets, multisetups and
patterns, let me know, and I'd be glad to help as much as I can...  Maybe
someone wants to start putting together a FAQ, and I can help with some of
the answers...

-Aaron

Thanx Aaron, I've been working on a FAQ off and on as my work load allows. 
 It's bit hard as we really don't see too many of the same questions 
popping up over and over yet.  BTW, is EMU going to put out another 
manual?  There's a lot of critical stuff not in the hsrd copy, of the 1.18 
addendum...

rEalm


If you guys need some more help on the workings of presets, multisetups 
and patterns, let me know, and I'd be glad to help as much as I can... 
Maybe someone wants to start putting together a FAQ, and I can help with 
some of the answers...

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:20:46 -0800, Aaron Eppolito wrote,

> Note to everybody!  The XL-7 saves information only for tracks you've
> recorded on!  This means that unless you have put some notes or other
> data on a track, it doesn't save that track's state.  This is so the
> XL-7 isn't always sending out a flood of midi data every pattern change.
> It only sends out what it needs.

Thanks for the explanation!  I've been going around in circles trying to get
the machine to wake up with pattern 0, song 0 and multi 0 set up with all 16
channels, presets, FX, etc for use as a sound module (without having to touch
the panel).

--

How difficult would it be to only have a pattern to specify a Multi setup,
and get all the FX/track/channel info from the Multi?  That would eliminate
the need for all the setup data to be inserted into the sequencer, and would
eliminate most (if not all) glitches when switching patterns (when the new
pattern uses the same Multi setup).

--

Question related to the Multi setups:  What are the second set of 16 channels
used for?  I couldn't find documentation for them, and without a second MIDI
IN port there doesn't seem to a use for them.  What am I missing?

Jeff

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:46:57 -0800, Aaron Eppolito wrote,

> ...
> > Then switch back to 000-0. All settings of the 001-0 have
> > been taken over in 000-0.
> 
> Since your pattern 0 still has no data on it, it leaves the
> settings from the previously loaded info.

But then if you save pattern 0, since there is no data in pattern 0, 
nothing is saved?

> > And as for multisetups: should I then always save a pattern AND a
> > multisetup and later load both of them to use the data again?
> 
> Nah.  The pattern should save everything it needs to.  If you want to
> do pattern "templates" which is what you seem to be trying to do,
> either save a multisetup and load it before saving a pattern, or put
> some data on the tracks in question.

If you save without putting any data in the tracks, is anything saved?

> If you guys need some more help on the workings of presets, multisetups and
> patterns, let me know, and I'd be glad to help as much as I can...  Maybe
> someone wants to start putting together a FAQ, and I can help with some of
> the answers...

A FAQ would surely help.  I was thinking more about the
pattern/preset/multisetup confusion, and it seems to me that looking at
multisetups as "styles" would clear up a lot of issues.  Have the patterns
specify styles, and if you switch styles mid-stream you could expect an
initialization "hit" so to speak.  Otherwise pattern switching would be
seamless, and redundant setup information in pattern groups wouldn't be
necessary.  (I think. ;)

Jeff

Jeff wrote:

> How difficult would it be to only have a pattern to specify a Multi setup,
> and get all the FX/track/channel info from the Multi?  That would eliminate
> the need for all the setup data to be inserted into the sequencer, and would
> eliminate most (if not all) glitches when switching patterns (when the new
> pattern uses the same Multi setup).

The sequencer already doesn't play information it doesn't have to (this actually
was causing the prior external program change bug).  Multisetups cannot be loaded
with out shutting down voices, so having those at the beginning of your sequence
would be most unpleasant... =)


> Question related to the Multi setups:  What are the second set of 16 channels
> used for?  I couldn't find documentation for them, and without a second MIDI
> IN port there doesn't seem to a use for them.  What am I missing?

Lots of stuff.  You can play locally on them, you can set the MIDI In port to
target the B channels (with 1.17 or greater), you can use them in your sequence
(since each track can contain up to 16 channels, and you have 16 tracks!), and
many other uses which I'm sure I haven't thought of!

-Aaron

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:58:46 -0800, Aaron Eppolito wrote,

> Jeff wrote:
> 
> > How difficult would it be to only have a pattern to specify a Multi setup,
> > and get all the FX/track/channel info from the Multi?  That would eliminate
> > the need for all the setup data to be inserted into the sequencer, and would
> > eliminate most (if not all) glitches when switching patterns (when the new
> > pattern uses the same Multi setup).
> 
> The sequencer already doesn't play information it doesn't have to (this actually
> was causing the prior external program change bug).  Multisetups cannot be loaded
> with out shutting down voices, so having those at the beginning of your sequence
> would be most unpleasant... =)

Makes sense!  Would it be feasible to initialize/save channel info on blank
tracks when switching/saving/loading patterns?

> > Question related to the Multi setups:  What are the second set of 16 channels
> > used for?  I couldn't find documentation for them, and without a second MIDI
> > IN port there doesn't seem to a use for them.  What am I missing?
> 
> Lots of stuff.  You can play locally on them, you can set the MIDI In port to
> target the B channels (with 1.17 or greater), you can use them in your sequence
> (since each track can contain up to 16 channels, and you have 16 tracks!),

Oh.  OH!  I missed that in the addendum... 

> and many other uses which I'm sure I haven't thought of!

...that's definitely useful!  I like, I like!  ;-)

BTW - Is it the active sensing byte causing the MIDI i/o status LED's to
blink all the time?

Jeff