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2004-03-03 by drewaight
Hey Aaron....how come when track rechannelize is off and I set a track destination to "ext" I also have to turn off the MIDI channel or else the internal patch still plays. Shouldn't the Track destination set to external preclude having the internal sounds played? I kind of would like to leave the MIDI channel on, that way I can play external tracks using the XX-7 pads.
2004-03-04 by Aaron Eppolito
Um, because you turned rechannelize off? Seriously though, that's exactly what rechannelize is for. -Aaron --- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote: > Hey Aaron....how come when track rechannelize is off and I set a > track destination to "ext" I also have to turn off the MIDI channel > or else the internal patch still plays. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-04 by drewaight
It is entirely possible that i am a retard.......but i dont
understand your answer.
The tracks and the channels are separate no? which is why the unit
kicks so much ass. However if the sequence of events is MIDI -->
rechannelize --> MIDI channel --> track --> output. How is it
possible that a MIDI channel assigned to only one track that
has "ext" as its destination can get to the internal sounds.
Rechannelize hijacks whatever the input is and forces it to be the
channel that is currently selected so how does turning this off make
it so that incoming MIDI messages can force assigned tracks to
output on the internal sounds.
Seriously I do not like rechannelize...i leave it off at all times.
The rechannelize feature belongs on a Casio and not a serious
gigging instrument. I dont need any sequencer to hold my hand and
make sure im in the right channel when i play. Can we set up a poll
and see who leaves rechannelize on and who disables it?
Thanks so much for humoring me. As always im sure there is something
about the XX-7 that im not understanding and will probably feel
stoopid when it is pointed out to me.
Drew
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Um, because you turned rechannelize off?
>
> Seriously though, that's exactly what rechannelize is for.
>
> -Aaron
>
> --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Aaron....how come when track rechannelize is off and I set a
> > track destination to "ext" I also have to turn off the MIDI
channel > > or else the internal patch still plays. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-04 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
I love rechannelize, and pretty much it's always on with my PX-7. I'll
set up a poll though, just for you! :)
rEalm
Seriously I do not like rechannelize...i leave it off at all times.
The rechannelize feature belongs on a Casio and not a serious
gigging instrument. I dont need any sequencer to hold my hand and
make sure im in the right channel when i play. Can we set up a poll
and see who leaves rechannelize on and who disables it?
Thanks so much for humoring me. As always im sure there is something
about the XX-7 that im not understanding and will probably feel
stoopid when it is pointed out to me.
Drew
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-03-04 by Aaron Eppolito
--- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote: > The tracks and the channels are separate no? Correct. > However if the sequence of events is > MIDI --> rechannelize --> MIDI channel --> track --> output. Not quite. It's more like: MIDI (or pads) --> track --> rechannelize (and int/ext'ify) --> output. There're nice big flowchart diagrams in the 2.0 addendum (1.31 addendum?) that detail how rechannelize works. > How is it possible that a MIDI channel assigned to only one track that > has "ext" as its destination can get to the internal sounds. This is where your disconnect is. TRACKS have "int" and "ext" destinations, CHANNELS do not. Tracks are assigned to channels, not the other way around. > Rechannelize hijacks whatever the input is and forces it to be the > channel that is currently selected so how does turning this off make > it so that incoming MIDI messages can force assigned tracks to > output on the internal sounds. MIDI comes in on channels. With rechannelize off, it will play the internal channels. With rechannelize on, it will send all incoming MIDI to the current track's output, be it internal or external. > The rechannelize feature belongs on a Casio and not a serious > gigging instrument. I dont need any sequencer to hold my hand and > make sure im in the right channel when i play. Um, well, obviously you do, because otherwise, when you wanted to play an external track, you'd like turning on "keyboard transmits MIDI", turning off "local control", setting the "keyboard channel" to be the right channel, and reassigning any knobs that you wanted to use. When you wanted to play an internal sound, you'd like to have to put it all back. Not saying you couldn't do it, but it sure seems like the feature you claim you hate is the one you're asking for... -Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-04 by drewaight
This is where your disconnect is. TRACKS have "int" and "ext" destinations, CHANNELS do not. Tracks are assigned to channels, not the other way around. Ah ha. So that means if I record on TRACK 1 assigned to MIDI CHANNEL_01 with TRACK_05 = "ext" rechannel = "off" but MIDI_C05 = "on" Then the playback of that TRACK should be on the external device only? --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > The tracks and the channels are separate no? > > Correct. > > > However if the sequence of events is > > MIDI --> rechannelize --> MIDI channel --> track --> output. > > Not quite. It's more like: > > MIDI (or pads) --> track --> rechannelize (and int/ext'ify) --> output. > > There're nice big flowchart diagrams in the 2.0 addendum (1.31 > addendum?) that detail how rechannelize works. > > > How is it possible that a MIDI channel assigned to only one track > that > > has "ext" as its destination can get to the internal sounds. > > This is where your disconnect is. TRACKS have "int" and "ext" > destinations, CHANNELS do not. Tracks are assigned to channels, not > the other way around. > > > Rechannelize hijacks whatever the input is and forces it to be the > > channel that is currently selected so how does turning this off make > > it so that incoming MIDI messages can force assigned tracks to > > output on the internal sounds. > > MIDI comes in on channels. With rechannelize off, it will play the > internal channels. With rechannelize on, it will send all incoming > MIDI to the current track's output, be it internal or external. > > > The rechannelize feature belongs on a Casio and not a serious > > gigging instrument. I dont need any sequencer to hold my hand and > > make sure im in the right channel when i play. > > Um, well, obviously you do, because otherwise, when you wanted to play > an external track, you'd like turning on "keyboard transmits MIDI", > turning off "local control", setting the "keyboard channel" to be the > right channel, and reassigning any knobs that you wanted to use. When > you wanted to play an internal sound, you'd like to have to put it all
> back. Not saying you couldn't do it, but it sure seems like the > feature you claim you hate is the one you're asking for... > > -Aaron > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-05 by Aaron Eppolito
--- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote:
> Ah ha. So that means if I record on TRACK 1 assigned to MIDI
> CHANNEL_01 with TRACK_05 = "ext" rechannel = "off" but MIDI_C05 =
> "on" Then the playback of that TRACK should be on the external
device
> only?
Huh? Now I'm confused.
Okay, here's a summary:
1 - You can only record one TRACK at a time
2 - Tracks may hold one or 16 channels
3 - You can record any channel into a track
4 - What comes OUT of a track may not be the same as what you put in
* this is because if rechannelize is off, you may be putting
events into the track that do not correspond to its output
5 - Rechannelize on/off ONLY affects INPUT, not track output
6 - You cannot specify the track to record via an external channel
7 - With rechannelize off, MIDI input will ALWAYS play internal
with rechannelize ON:
MIDI --> Track --> [track destination/channel] --> synth and/or output
with rechannelize OFF:
MIDI ---> Track
\-> Synth
Really, read the diagrams. They are not misleading. I drew the
diagrams and wrote the code and the QA guys used it in their testing.
They may be unclear and/or hard to understand, but they are correct.
The only reason you should have rechannelize OFF is if you are
sequencing the box with an external sequencer or if you are using it as
a multitimbral synth with a controller keyboard transmitting multiple
channels.
-Aaron
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--- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote: > How can I select channels using my MIDI controller? I think what you meant is: How can I select *TRACKS* using my MIDI controller? and the answer is "you can't". > Ideally I want the sequencer to control the track routing, BUT my > MIDI controller to control the channels. After looking at the diagram > it seems that track routing is intrinsically linked to rechannelize. > I can use only rechannelize AND track routing, or neither. I dont > entirely understand why these components must be linked. Not quite. Track routing is ALWAYS ON no matter what. The tracks will always PLAYBACK on the channels and destinations that they say they will. Rechannelize (which also "reportifies" but there was no UI room for that) only affects incoming MIDI and the pads. With rechannelize off, you will not hear the same thing when you're recording as you do when you play back. I think I finally understand what you want. You want to be able to say "anything that comes in on MIDI channel 5 goes to track 5, and will play the same sound as track 5, internal or external". Unfortunately, this is simply not how the XL-7 works. You can only record one track at a time, and you must specify it on the unit itself. Therefore, you should have rechannelize on, and simply change the track/channel on the XL-7 and leave your master keyboard's channel alone. -Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-05 by drewaight
Haha i tried to delete the first message after i posted it.
I think i finally understand now. Thank you so much for your
patience. =)
I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too because if
I was the only one Id feel stupid.
Drew2004-03-05 by Aaron Eppolito
Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those digrams, because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant solution, but alas, we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet feature though... -Aaron --- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote: > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too because if > I was the only one Id feel stupid. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
2004-03-05 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
Do tell! (if you can)
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. Controlling external gear.
Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those digrams,
because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant solution, but alas,
we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet feature
though...
-Aaron
--- drewaight <drewaight@...> wrote:
> I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too because if
> I was the only one Id feel stupid.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-03-05 by Matt Picone
Know what would have been nice? If holding STOP and START would have stuttered the auto-restart of a pattern at the rate of the current quantize when REPEAT were engaged. -m@
2004-03-05 by Aaron Eppolito
That's totally cool. --- Matt Picone <matman@...> wrote: > Know what would have been nice? If holding STOP and START would have > stuttered the auto-restart of a pattern at the rate of the current > quantize when REPEAT were engaged. > > -m@ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html
2004-03-05 by Turby Schmidt
I agree! >From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> >Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [xl7] RE-RE-RE-RE-RESTART Pattern >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:41:13 -0800 (PST) > >That's totally cool. > >--- Matt Picone <matman@...> wrote: > > Know what would have been nice? If holding STOP and START would have > > stuttered the auto-restart of a pattern at the rate of the current > > quantize when REPEAT were engaged. > > > > -m@ > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
2004-03-12 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Wicked idea!
rEalm
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2004-03-12 by robotchas
> "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> > Know what would have been nice? If holding STOP and START would have > stuttered the auto-restart of a pattern at the rate of the current > quantize when REPEAT were engaged. > > -m@ Yeah, great idea. Should definitely go on the wishlist.
2004-03-17 by frodo76at
Well, if it helps ... I'm confused now too :P After reading this rechannelize thing I think it might be the clou to my MIDI IN to MIDI OUT problem. I want to control external MIDI gear from my keyboard wich sends its data trough the XL-7, because I want to record/play the XL-7 with it AND have to use it for the other gear as well. So it goes like this: Keyboard -> (MIDI In set to B) XL-7 (MIDI OUT B) -> external sequencers (synced to the XL-7) The keyboard plays the XL-7 and (should play) the external sequencers. The problem is that if I set the MIDI IN to B, I cannot route incoming MIDI data to any of the MIDI Outs. I could solve the problem when selecting MIDI IN A, but then I not only play the external, but also the internal XL-7 sounds when using the factory patterns (because they are all on MIDI A). When I turn off the MIDI A channels I cannot play back the patterns, so I would have to rearrange all factory presets to be played via MIDI B :/ So, is there an elegant way of solving this problem ? Any help is appreciated ! --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > Do tell! (if you can) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aaron Eppolito > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. Controlling external gear. > > > Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those digrams, > because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant solution, but alas, > we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet feature > though... > > -Aaron > > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too because if > > I was the only one Id feel stupid. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2004-03-17 by Aaron Eppolito
Wow, you almost confused me. There's two ways to do what you're asking; it depends on what you want. Method 1: (recommended) Use this if you want your external keyboard to play the appropriate sound for the track you're working on. Rechannelize ON, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:OFF, MIDI In Channels A, and... for each track, setup its destination in the 2nd to last screen in the pattern edit menu (i.e. should it play internally, externally, or both). Now, as you switch tracks on the XL-7, notes played from your kybd (or pads) will always play the same sound as they will when you record that track and play it back. Method 2: Use this if you want your external synth to always sound in response to notes played on the keyboard, regardless of what track you're on. Rechannelize OFF, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:ON (hook ext synth up to B), MIDI In channels A. Note however, that with method 2, notes from your external kybd will ALWAYS play both the internal A synth channels as well as play your external synth. This is probably not what you want, but maybe it is. -Aaron --- frodo76at <frodo@...> wrote: > Well, if it helps ... I'm confused now too :P > After reading this rechannelize thing I think it might be the clou > to my MIDI IN to MIDI OUT problem. > I want to control external MIDI gear from my keyboard wich sends its > data trough the XL-7, because I want to record/play the XL-7 with it > AND have to use it for the other gear as well. > So it goes like this: > Keyboard -> (MIDI In set to B) XL-7 (MIDI OUT B) -> external > sequencers (synced to the XL-7) > The keyboard plays the XL-7 and (should play) the external > sequencers. > The problem is that if I set the MIDI IN to B, I cannot route > incoming MIDI data to any of the MIDI Outs. > I could solve the problem when selecting MIDI IN A, but then I not > only play the external, but also the internal XL-7 sounds when using > the factory patterns (because they are all on MIDI A). > When I turn off the MIDI A channels I cannot play back the patterns, > so I would have to rearrange all factory presets to be played via > MIDI B :/ > > So, is there an elegant way of solving this problem ? > > Any help is appreciated ! > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > > Do tell! (if you can) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Aaron Eppolito > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. > Controlling external gear. > > > > > > Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those > digrams, > > because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant solution, > but alas, > > we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet feature > > though... > > > > -Aaron > > > > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too > because if > > > I was the only one Id feel stupid. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-17 by drewaight
"Note however, that with method 2, notes from your external kybd will ALWAYS play both the internal A synth channels as well as play your external synth. This is probably not what you want, but maybe it is." ....Unless you turn the MIDI channel to off, which is what i do. Actually I pretty much only use tracks and channels 1-5 for internal sounds, so my main multisetup has tracks 6-16 ext and MIDI channels 6- 16 off. Of course you have to turn the MIDI back on if you are trying to step sequence an external device, but in this case I have some dummy patches with no waveforms selected....I use the same patches to arpeggiate external devices also.
2004-03-18 by frodo76at
Rehi ! The problem is that I want to use the factory patterns (on MIDI 1-16 A) AND play external hardware with my keyboard through the XL-7. (I have to go through the XL-7 because I need the MIDI clock signal of the XL-7 for the tempo sync.) My question: Can I route "MIDI In - B" to "MIDI Out A and/or B". And if not ... Why ? I can do it with MIDI IN set to A, so ... what's the difference and why's there a difference ? I cannot find any reference to this in the manual. When I go through it it seems that MIDI IN A can behave just like MIDI IN B. There are no exceptions I'm aware of. Is "MIDI IN - B" only meant for internal MIDI B sounds ? If so this means that MIDI B would be the best place for factory XL- 7 sounds, since MIDI A is more flexible in routing the signal. (internal and external) This really gives me a headache. Just to be a little more confusing ;) Ronald --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > Wow, you almost confused me. > > There's two ways to do what you're asking; it depends on what you want. > > Method 1: (recommended) > Use this if you want your external keyboard to play the appropriate > sound for the track you're working on. > > Rechannelize ON, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:OFF, MIDI In Channels A, and... > for each track, setup its destination in the 2nd to last screen in the > pattern edit menu (i.e. should it play internally, externally, or > both). > > Now, as you switch tracks on the XL-7, notes played from your kybd (or > pads) will always play the same sound as they will when you record that > track and play it back. > > Method 2: > Use this if you want your external synth to always sound in response to > notes played on the keyboard, regardless of what track you're on. > > Rechannelize OFF, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:ON (hook ext synth up to B), MIDI > In channels A. > > Note however, that with method 2, notes from your external kybd will > ALWAYS play both the internal A synth channels as well as play your > external synth. This is probably not what you want, but maybe it is. > > -Aaron > > --- frodo76at <frodo@c...> wrote: > > Well, if it helps ... I'm confused now too :P > > After reading this rechannelize thing I think it might be the clou > > to my MIDI IN to MIDI OUT problem. > > I want to control external MIDI gear from my keyboard wich sends its > > data trough the XL-7, because I want to record/play the XL-7 with it > > AND have to use it for the other gear as well. > > So it goes like this: > > Keyboard -> (MIDI In set to B) XL-7 (MIDI OUT B) -> external > > sequencers (synced to the XL-7) > > The keyboard plays the XL-7 and (should play) the external > > sequencers. > > The problem is that if I set the MIDI IN to B, I cannot route > > incoming MIDI data to any of the MIDI Outs. > > I could solve the problem when selecting MIDI IN A, but then I not > > only play the external, but also the internal XL-7 sounds when using > > the factory patterns (because they are all on MIDI A). > > When I turn off the MIDI A channels I cannot play back the patterns, > > so I would have to rearrange all factory presets to be played via > > MIDI B :/ > > > > So, is there an elegant way of solving this problem ? > > > > Any help is appreciated ! > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > > > Do tell! (if you can) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Aaron Eppolito > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM > > > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. > > Controlling external gear. > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those > > digrams, > > > because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant solution, > > but alas, > > > we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet feature > > > though... > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > > > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too > > because if > > > > I was the only one Id feel stupid. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > ----------- > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
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2004-03-18 by Turby Schmidt
There is no midi in a isnt it, there is just one midi in but 2 midi out but you can patch the midi in to any output, just have in mind that the settings wont be stored in the pattern if there is no note or controller data to save > >Rehi ! > >The problem is that I want to use the factory patterns (on MIDI 1-16 >A) AND play external hardware with my keyboard through the XL-7. (I >have to go through the XL-7 because I need the MIDI clock signal of >the XL-7 for the tempo sync.) >My question: Can I route "MIDI In - B" to "MIDI Out A and/or B". >And if not ... Why ? I can do it with MIDI IN set to A, so ... >what's the difference and why's there a difference ? >I cannot find any reference to this in the manual. >When I go through it it seems that MIDI IN A can behave just like >MIDI IN B. There are no exceptions I'm aware of. >Is "MIDI IN - B" only meant for internal MIDI B sounds ? >If so this means that MIDI B would be the best place for factory XL- >7 sounds, since MIDI A is more flexible in routing the signal. >(internal and external) >This really gives me a headache. > >Just to be a little more confusing ;) > >Ronald > >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > > Wow, you almost confused me. > > > > There's two ways to do what you're asking; it depends on what you >want. > > > > Method 1: (recommended) > > Use this if you want your external keyboard to play the appropriate > > sound for the track you're working on. > > > > Rechannelize ON, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:OFF, MIDI In Channels A, and... > > for each track, setup its destination in the 2nd to last screen in >the > > pattern edit menu (i.e. should it play internally, externally, or > > both). > > > > Now, as you switch tracks on the XL-7, notes played from your kybd >(or > > pads) will always play the same sound as they will when you record >that > > track and play it back. > > > > Method 2: > > Use this if you want your external synth to always sound in >response to > > notes played on the keyboard, regardless of what track you're on. > > > > Rechannelize OFF, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:ON (hook ext synth up to B), >MIDI > > In channels A. > > > > Note however, that with method 2, notes from your external kybd >will > > ALWAYS play both the internal A synth channels as well as play your > > external synth. This is probably not what you want, but maybe it >is. > > > > -Aaron > > > > --- frodo76at <frodo@c...> wrote: > > > Well, if it helps ... I'm confused now too :P > > > After reading this rechannelize thing I think it might be the >clou > > > to my MIDI IN to MIDI OUT problem. > > > I want to control external MIDI gear from my keyboard wich sends >its > > > data trough the XL-7, because I want to record/play the XL-7 >with it > > > AND have to use it for the other gear as well. > > > So it goes like this: > > > Keyboard -> (MIDI In set to B) XL-7 (MIDI OUT B) -> external > > > sequencers (synced to the XL-7) > > > The keyboard plays the XL-7 and (should play) the external > > > sequencers. > > > The problem is that if I set the MIDI IN to B, I cannot route > > > incoming MIDI data to any of the MIDI Outs. > > > I could solve the problem when selecting MIDI IN A, but then I >not > > > only play the external, but also the internal XL-7 sounds when >using > > > the factory patterns (because they are all on MIDI A). > > > When I turn off the MIDI A channels I cannot play back the >patterns, > > > so I would have to rearrange all factory presets to be played >via > > > MIDI B :/ > > > > > > So, is there an elegant way of solving this problem ? > > > > > > Any help is appreciated ! > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> >wrote: > > > > Do tell! (if you can) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Aaron Eppolito > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. > > > Controlling external gear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those > > > digrams, > > > > because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant >solution, > > > but alas, > > > > we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet >feature > > > > though... > > > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > > > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > > > > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too > > > because if > > > > > I was the only one Id feel stupid. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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2004-03-18 by frodo76at
In know that there is only one MIDI In, but you can assign it to be MIDI In A or MIDI In B (see the MIDI setting: "MIDI IN CHANNELS") There it says: "This menue allows MIDI data received at the MIDI input port to control either the internal "A" or "B" channels. With this set to "B", you could play an external MIDI keyboard on channels 1B-16B while channels 1A-16A remain dedicated to the internal sequencer." Well, this is exactly what it does NOT. When I select "MIDI IN CHANNELS: B" I cannot route the MIDI In signals to the MIDI Out Port B. (Either not with MERGE MIDI IN TO OUT B set to ON or OFF. And either not with RECHANNELIZE set to ON or OFF) So ... is it a bug ? Thanks for the help ! Ronald --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote: > > There is no midi in a isnt it, there is just one midi in but 2 midi out > but you can patch the midi in to any output, > just have in mind that the settings wont be stored in the pattern if there > is no note or controller data to save > > > > >Rehi ! > > > >The problem is that I want to use the factory patterns (on MIDI 1- 16 > >A) AND play external hardware with my keyboard through the XL-7. (I > >have to go through the XL-7 because I need the MIDI clock signal of > >the XL-7 for the tempo sync.) > >My question: Can I route "MIDI In - B" to "MIDI Out A and/or B". > >And if not ... Why ? I can do it with MIDI IN set to A, so ... > >what's the difference and why's there a difference ? > >I cannot find any reference to this in the manual. > >When I go through it it seems that MIDI IN A can behave just like > >MIDI IN B. There are no exceptions I'm aware of. > >Is "MIDI IN - B" only meant for internal MIDI B sounds ? > >If so this means that MIDI B would be the best place for factory XL- > >7 sounds, since MIDI A is more flexible in routing the signal. > >(internal and external) > >This really gives me a headache. > > > >Just to be a little more confusing ;) > > > >Ronald > > > >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > > > Wow, you almost confused me. > > > > > > There's two ways to do what you're asking; it depends on what you > >want. > > > > > > Method 1: (recommended) > > > Use this if you want your external keyboard to play the appropriate > > > sound for the track you're working on. > > > > > > Rechannelize ON, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:OFF, MIDI In Channels A, and... > > > for each track, setup its destination in the 2nd to last screen in > >the > > > pattern edit menu (i.e. should it play internally, externally, or > > > both). > > > > > > Now, as you switch tracks on the XL-7, notes played from your kybd > >(or > > > pads) will always play the same sound as they will when you record > >that > > > track and play it back. > > > > > > Method 2: > > > Use this if you want your external synth to always sound in > >response to > > > notes played on the keyboard, regardless of what track you're on. > > > > > > Rechannelize OFF, Merge MIDI A:OFF B:ON (hook ext synth up to B), > >MIDI > > > In channels A. > > > > > > Note however, that with method 2, notes from your external kybd > >will > > > ALWAYS play both the internal A synth channels as well as play your > > > external synth. This is probably not what you want, but maybe it > >is. > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > --- frodo76at <frodo@c...> wrote: > > > > Well, if it helps ... I'm confused now too :P > > > > After reading this rechannelize thing I think it might be the > >clou > > > > to my MIDI IN to MIDI OUT problem. > > > > I want to control external MIDI gear from my keyboard wich sends > >its > > > > data trough the XL-7, because I want to record/play the XL-7 > >with it > > > > AND have to use it for the other gear as well. > > > > So it goes like this: > > > > Keyboard -> (MIDI In set to B) XL-7 (MIDI OUT B) -> external > > > > sequencers (synced to the XL-7) > > > > The keyboard plays the XL-7 and (should play) the external > > > > sequencers. > > > > The problem is that if I set the MIDI IN to B, I cannot route > > > > incoming MIDI data to any of the MIDI Outs. > > > > I could solve the problem when selecting MIDI IN A, but then I > >not > > > > only play the external, but also the internal XL-7 sounds when > >using > > > > the factory patterns (because they are all on MIDI A). > > > > When I turn off the MIDI A channels I cannot play back the > >patterns, > > > > so I would have to rearrange all factory presets to be played > >via > > > > MIDI B :/ > > > > > > > > So, is there an elegant way of solving this problem ? > > > > > > > > Any help is appreciated ! > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > Do tell! (if you can) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Aaron Eppolito > > > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:27 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Track Destination and MIDI on off. > > > > Controlling external gear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's not just you. That's why I ended up making those > > > > digrams, > > > > > because it is so confusing. There's a more elegant > >solution, > > > > but alas, > > > > > we ran out of time to implement it. It's still my pet > >feature > > > > > though... > > > > > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > > > > > --- drewaight <drewaight@y...> wrote: > > > > > > I kind of hope that other people are confused by this too > > > > because if > > > > > > I was the only one Id feel stupid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! 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2004-03-18 by n6i6s6
Have you set the B channel tracks to "ext" or both in the pattern edit menu? --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "frodo76at" <frodo@c...> wrote: > In know that there is only one MIDI In, but you can assign it to be > MIDI In A or MIDI In B (see the MIDI setting: "MIDI IN CHANNELS") > There it says: "This menue allows MIDI data received at the MIDI > input port to control either the internal "A" or "B" channels. With
> this set to "B", you could play an external MIDI keyboard on > channels 1B-16B while channels 1A-16A remain dedicated to the > internal sequencer." > Well, this is exactly what it does NOT. > When I select "MIDI IN CHANNELS: B" I cannot route the MIDI In > signals to the MIDI Out Port B. (Either not with MERGE MIDI IN TO > OUT B set to ON or OFF. And either not with RECHANNELIZE set to ON > or OFF) > So ... is it a bug ? > > Thanks for the help ! > > Ronald > >
2004-03-20 by frodo76at
Yes. The B channels are set to both, but I don't want to use recorded patterns to go through the MIDI Out Port B. I would like to go through the XL-7 to play external instruments live. I also found out that rechannelize doesn't help me with that, since there is no MIDI output either on MIDI Port B, when setting "MIDI In to Output B" and selecting a MIDI B channel in the Sound-Preset window. Seems like there is no way to get MIDI In B signals out of the XL-7 (live). :( In the meantime I tried a different setup. I use the XL-7 rubber pads (mostly) for external instruments on other MIDI equipment and the external keyboard for the internal XL-7 sounds. Sadly I cannot use more than an octave for the external sounds, but I think I won't need them that much, since I'm about to use the full capacity of the XL-7 rom-space an therefore would be able to have most of the instruments in my cool, freaky, funky, orange XL-7 baby =) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "n6i6s6" <n.scroggins@c...> wrote: > Have you set the B channel tracks to "ext" or both in the pattern > edit menu? > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "frodo76at" <frodo@c...> wrote: > > In know that there is only one MIDI In, but you can assign it to > be > > MIDI In A or MIDI In B (see the MIDI setting: "MIDI IN CHANNELS") > > There it says: "This menue allows MIDI data received at the MIDI > > input port to control either the internal "A" or "B" channels. > With > > this set to "B", you could play an external MIDI keyboard on > > channels 1B-16B while channels 1A-16A remain dedicated to the > > internal sequencer." > > Well, this is exactly what it does NOT. > > When I select "MIDI IN CHANNELS: B" I cannot route the MIDI In > > signals to the MIDI Out Port B. (Either not with MERGE MIDI IN TO > > OUT B set to ON or OFF. And either not with RECHANNELIZE set to ON
> > or OFF) > > So ... is it a bug ? > > > > Thanks for the help ! > > > > Ronald > > > >