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Damn, the same day I said I hadn't really seen this, I run into it later 
that night big time.  I was working on a new downtempo pattern, and all of 
a sudden everything got super sluggish on me.  At first, there was about a 
2 second pause between my actions and what the screen said.  Eventually 
the more I played with this, the longer the pause got until it was closer 
to 10 seconds lag!  The weird thing is, it only happens on this one 
pattern (using ONLY the Studio Kit Preset too), if I go to another 
pattern, everything was instantly fine. If I powered off/on and came back 
to this same pattern, eventually it would start again.  I've put the 
Pattern file here in case anyone can test this on their PX-7 (or XX-7 with 
Drum ROM):

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%20Data/

It's called "No Control" and will load by default to Pattern Bank 1:001. 
I'd appreciate it if anyone can check this one out, as it's only happening 
with this pattern, and I want to return my PX-7 if I'm the only one with 
this problem (aside from the original poster).  I didn't get a chance to 
see if it was just the preset causing this, as it didn't rear it's ugly 
head until I was ready for bed  :)

To try and solve this, I deleted all sysex, controller, and aftertouch 
info from the pattern thinking maybe that would help (it didn't).  There 
were no stuck notes either.

rEalm

------------------------


Hello,

I bought my PX7 last week because of the hype of the blow out at
Guitar Center. I plan to sequence my synths with it, and make some
beats.

Has anyone recorded a patterm and while twirling the control knobs
experience the PX7 slowing down. There was a major lag time when you
hit the button switching the mode from quick edit to volume to pan.
You could hit the button several times fast and it would take a few
seconds for the switch to occur. Has this happened with anyone else,
or is there something wrong with my machine?



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I'll give it a try on my PX-7.  I need to find some time to pick up my own USB midi 
interface, so it may be a couple of days before I test it.  I'll let you know what happens.

mike


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Damn, the same day I said I hadn't really seen this, I run into it later 
> that night big time.  I was working on a new downtempo pattern, and all of 
> a sudden everything got super sluggish on me.  At first, there was about a 
> 2 second pause between my actions and what the screen said.  Eventually 
> the more I played with this, the longer the pause got until it was closer 
> to 10 seconds lag!  The weird thing is, it only happens on this one 
> pattern (using ONLY the Studio Kit Preset too), if I go to another 
> pattern, everything was instantly fine. If I powered off/on and came back 
> to this same pattern, eventually it would start again.  I've put the 
> Pattern file here in case anyone can test this on their PX-7 (or XX-7 with 
> Drum ROM):
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%20Data/
> 
> It's called "No Control" and will load by default to Pattern Bank 1:001. 
> I'd appreciate it if anyone can check this one out, as it's only happening 
> with this pattern, and I want to return my PX-7 if I'm the only one with 
> this problem (aside from the original poster).  I didn't get a chance to 
> see if it was just the preset causing this, as it didn't rear it's ugly 
> head until I was ready for bed  :)
> 
> To try and solve this, I deleted all sysex, controller, and aftertouch 
> info from the pattern thinking maybe that would help (it didn't).  There 
> were no stuck notes either.
> 
> rEalm
>

Thanks.

rEalm



I'll give it a try on my PX-7.  I need to find some time to pick up my own 
USB midi 
interface, so it may be a couple of days before I test it.  I'll let you 
know what happens.

mike


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I have this same problem ... only with one pattern ... when I hit play it just sits there and the starts about 10 secs. later as well .... is that what you mean ? 

The other problem I have been having is getting the stop button to STOP.... I have blasted it with air and tried pushing it several different ways.... I don't think it's the switch... it just kinda lags as well .

Everything sounds fine though !

rEalm,

I don't know why you got rid of your Custom XL.  If it wasn't 
broken......:)

PS.  Can you upload pattern 5 to the files section for me?  It was 
missing on the CD and the download on E-MU's website.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Damn, the same day I said I hadn't really seen this, I run into it 
later 
> that night big time.  I was working on a new downtempo pattern, and 
all of 
> a sudden everything got super sluggish on me.  At first, there was 
about a 
> 2 second pause between my actions and what the screen said.  
Eventually 
> the more I played with this, the longer the pause got until it was 
closer 
> to 10 seconds lag!  The weird thing is, it only happens on this one 
> pattern (using ONLY the Studio Kit Preset too), if I go to another 
> pattern, everything was instantly fine. If I powered off/on and 
came back 
> to this same pattern, eventually it would start again.  I've put 
the 
> Pattern file here in case anyone can test this on their PX-7 (or XX-
7 with 
> Drum ROM):
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%
20Data/
> 
> It's called "No Control" and will load by default to Pattern Bank 
1:001. 
> I'd appreciate it if anyone can check this one out, as it's only 
happening 
> with this pattern, and I want to return my PX-7 if I'm the only one 
with 
> this problem (aside from the original poster).  I didn't get a 
chance to 
> see if it was just the preset causing this, as it didn't rear it's 
ugly 
> head until I was ready for bed  :)
> 
> To try and solve this, I deleted all sysex, controller, and 
aftertouch 
> info from the pattern thinking maybe that would help (it didn't).  
There 
> were no stuck notes either.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I bought my PX7 last week because of the hype of the blow out at
> Guitar Center. I plan to sequence my synths with it, and make some
> beats.
> 
> Has anyone recorded a patterm and while twirling the control knobs
> experience the PX7 slowing down. There was a major lag time when you
> hit the button switching the mode from quick edit to volume to pan.
> You could hit the button several times fast and it would take a few
> seconds for the switch to occur. Has this happened with anyone else,
> or is there something wrong with my machine?
> 
> 
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I added it to the "files" section.  The CD has the data, but no name.  Found the name in the 
manual.  It's called Nasty Nemesis.  (Had the same prob. when I reloaded my pattterns)

Mike

I checked out your pattern and the same thing happens on my 
PX-7!!  I first noticed a lag when selecting tracks, then scrolling 
through presets on the screen was delayed and jumpy.  

I switched the four drum tracks to "Funk Review" and everything 
was back to normal.  

Another interesting thing is that I'm using the same preset (005 
Studio) on a couple of patterns I'm working on.  They work just 
fine.  I haven't recorded any knob movements in any of the 
patterns or applied any effects yet.  (Just thought I'd throw that out 
there.)

Also, I do have the Proteus and X-Lead ROM's installed.

Mike



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Damn, the same day I said I hadn't really seen this, I run into it 
later 
> that night big time.  I was working on a new downtempo 
pattern, and all of 
> a sudden everything got super sluggish on me.  At first, there 
was about a 
> 2 second pause between my actions and what the screen 
said.  Eventually 
> the more I played with this, the longer the pause got until it was 
closer 
> to 10 seconds lag!  The weird thing is, it only happens on this 
one 
> pattern (using ONLY the Studio Kit Preset too), if I go to another 
> pattern, everything was instantly fine. If I powered off/on and 
came back 
> to this same pattern, eventually it would start again.  I've put the 
> Pattern file here in case anyone can test this on their PX-7 (or 
XX-7 with 
> Drum ROM):
> 
> 
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20St
ation%20Data/
> 
> It's called "No Control" and will load by default to Pattern Bank 
1:001. 
> I'd appreciate it if anyone can check this one out, as it's only 
happening 
> with this pattern, and I want to return my PX-7 if I'm the only one 
with 
> this problem (aside from the original poster).  I didn't get a 
chance to 
> see if it was just the preset causing this, as it didn't rear it's 
ugly 
> head until I was ready for bed  :)
> 
> To try and solve this, I deleted all sysex, controller, and 
aftertouch 
> info from the pattern thinking maybe that would help (it didn't).  
There 
> were no stuck notes either.
> 
> rEalm
>

Correction- meant to say- 005 "Stadium" preset.  It's late, I'm 
tired!

This *may* be related:

I've not yet noticed this on my PX-7 (though I fully expect to see 
it eventually)

However, my P2K has been exhibiting similar behavior ever since I 
upgraded the ROM to 2.X (when they added the arps/beats)...

Whenever I dial up one of the BTS presets, hit Audition and turn up 
the "complexity" controller, the user interface gets very laggy.  In 
fact, I can turn off Audition, and the pattern continues to play for 
perhaps 1.5 to 2 bars before stopping (during this time, the knobs 
and buttons are almost totally unresponsive), then everything 
suddenly returns to normal.

This is particularly apparent in the denser World Expedition Beats, 
but my hunch is that it is a predictable behavior in BTS mode 
whenever the pattern gets really busy.

Is this what y'all are talking about?  If so, it is 
probably "expectable behavior" and the P2K engine has been doing it 
for years.  I surprised to learn that the Command Stations do it 
too, considering the engine is supposed to be "3 times faster" than 
the P2K series.

It's a minor annoyance, but it's never really gotten in my way.  I 
reckon we'd better get used to it.

Andy




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, sounddaddy@c... wrote:
> I have this same problem ... only with one pattern ... when I hit 
play it just sits there and the starts about 10 secs. later as 
well .... is that what you mean ? 
> 
> The other problem I have been having is getting the stop button to 
STOP.... I have blasted it with air and tried pushing it several 
different ways.... I don't think it's the switch... it just kinda 
lags as well .
> 
> Everything sounds fine though !

Sounds interesting, think its worth the trouble to add?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikedancy@e...> wrote:
> I added it to the "files" section.  The CD has the data, but no 
name.  Found the name in the 
> manual.  It's called Nasty Nemesis.  (Had the same prob. when I 
reloaded my pattterns)
> 
> Mike

I don't have Pattern 5 either, the CD and my PX-7 both shipped with that 
Pattern unfunctional.

rEalm





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rEalm,

I don't know why you got rid of your Custom XL.  If it wasn't 
broken......:)

PS.  Can you upload pattern 5 to the files section for me?  It was 
missing on the CD and the download on E-MU's website.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Damn, the same day I said I hadn't really seen this, I run into it 
later 
> that night big time.  I was working on a new downtempo pattern, and 
all of 
> a sudden everything got super sluggish on me.  At first, there was 
about a 
> 2 second pause between my actions and what the screen said. 
Eventually 
> the more I played with this, the longer the pause got until it was 
closer 
> to 10 seconds lag!  The weird thing is, it only happens on this one 
> pattern (using ONLY the Studio Kit Preset too), if I go to another 
> pattern, everything was instantly fine. If I powered off/on and 
came back 
> to this same pattern, eventually it would start again.  I've put 
the 
> Pattern file here in case anyone can test this on their PX-7 (or XX-
7 with 
> Drum ROM):
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/Command%20Station%
20Data/
> 
> It's called "No Control" and will load by default to Pattern Bank 
1:001. 
> I'd appreciate it if anyone can check this one out, as it's only 
happening 
> with this pattern, and I want to return my PX-7 if I'm the only one 
with 
> this problem (aside from the original poster).  I didn't get a 
chance to 
> see if it was just the preset causing this, as it didn't rear it's 
ugly 
> head until I was ready for bed  :)
> 
> To try and solve this, I deleted all sysex, controller, and 
aftertouch 
> info from the pattern thinking maybe that would help (it didn't). 
There 
> were no stuck notes either.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I bought my PX7 last week because of the hype of the blow out at
> Guitar Center. I plan to sequence my synths with it, and make some
> beats.
> 
> Has anyone recorded a patterm and while twirling the control knobs
> experience the PX7 slowing down. There was a major lag time when you
> hit the button switching the mode from quick edit to volume to pan.
> You could hit the button several times fast and it would take a few
> seconds for the switch to occur. Has this happened with anyone else,
> or is there something wrong with my machine?
> 
> 
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Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.  What presets are you using in that 
pattern?

rEalm





I have this same problem ... only with one pattern ... when I hit play it 
just sits there and the starts about 10 secs. later as well .... is that 
what you mean ? 

 






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Weird!  This is only pattern this happens on, and only when using the 
Studio kit!  Like you, as soon as I change the kit, it plays back fine. 
Any ideas emu?   I tried using the other Protean Drum ROM I had to make 
sure this one wasn't faulty, and it too did the same thing.

rEalm




I checked out your pattern and the same thing happens on my 
PX-7!!  I first noticed a lag when selecting tracks, then scrolling 
through presets on the screen was delayed and jumpy. 

I switched the four drum tracks to "Funk Review" and everything 
was back to normal. 

Another interesting thing is that I'm using the same preset (005 
Studio) on a couple of patterns I'm working on.  They work just 
fine.  I haven't recorded any knob movements in any of the 
patterns or applied any effects yet.  (Just thought I'd throw that out 
there.)

Also, I do have the Proteus and X-Lead ROM's installed.


 






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I found out something else about your pattern.  It seems that track 5 (cym. ride) is the 
culprit.  If you mute that track before playing the pattern, everything's normal.  Unmute it, 
or solo it, and the problem returns.  When I loaded your pattern, I have note data on tracks 
1, 3, 5, 7, and synth (PROM card) on 10.  (Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything 
when I downloaded it.  I noticed there were presets assigned to the other tracks, just no 
note info.)

Did you do something different when you recorded track 5 vs. the others?  

Mike


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Weird!  This is only pattern this happens on, and only when using the 
> Studio kit!  Like you, as soon as I change the kit, it plays back fine. 
> Any ideas emu?   I tried using the other Protean Drum ROM I had to make 
> sure this one wasn't faulty, and it too did the same thing.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I checked out your pattern and the same thing happens on my 
> PX-7!!  I first noticed a lag when selecting tracks, then scrolling 
> through presets on the screen was delayed and jumpy. 
> 
> I switched the four drum tracks to "Funk Review" and everything 
> was back to normal. 
> 
> Another interesting thing is that I'm using the same preset (005 
> Studio) on a couple of patterns I'm working on.  They work just 
> fine.  I haven't recorded any knob movements in any of the 
> patterns or applied any effects yet.  (Just thought I'd throw that out 
> there.)
> 
> Also, I do have the Proteus and X-Lead ROM's installed.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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To be honest, I only listened to it long enough to be sure the data was there.  I can't 
remember what it sounded like exactly, but I know It didn't set my world on fire.  I posted 
the file only because some people were asking about it.

Mike

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> Sounds interesting, think its worth the trouble to add?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <mikedancy@e...> wrote:
> > I added it to the "files" section.  The CD has the data, but no 
> name.  Found the name in the 
> > manual.  It's called Nasty Nemesis.  (Had the same prob. when I 
> reloaded my pattterns)
> > 
> > Mike

Yes this more or less sounds like what I was experiencing as well.  In the 
past, I've noticed that denser passages in my patterns would sometimes 
cause the XX-7 to be a bit less than responsive.  But in those cases any 
lag was relatively small (less than a second) and nothing more than a 
minor annoyance as you suggest. 

This is far worse though, with lag times of over 10 seconds at the extreme 
end, certainly something you just can't "get used to".  Especially as it's 
a relatively simlpe pattern that exhibits this behavior.

rEalm





This *may* be related:

This is particularly apparent in the denser World Expedition Beats, 
but my hunch is that it is a predictable behavior in BTS mode 
whenever the pattern gets really busy.

Is this what y'all are talking about?

It's a minor annoyance, but it's never really gotten in my way.  I 
reckon we'd better get used to it.

Andy


 






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Thanks for looking into this more Mike, I've been a bit too busy here to 
have a chance to delve into this one too deeply.  Yes, the preset 
assignments you named are correct.  I had meant to delete track 10, as it 
used a Preset from a different ROM, but I forgot to do it, oops.

As for track 5, the only thing I did was enter step recording mode and hit 
that crash key once, that's it.  Interesting though, my next step will be 
to try copying that track/preset to another Pattern and see if it still 
causes problems.

rEalm




I found out something else about your pattern.  It seems that track 5 
(cym. ride) is the 
culprit.  If you mute that track before playing the pattern, everything's 
normal.  Unmute it, 
or solo it, and the problem returns.  When I loaded your pattern, I have 
note data on tracks 
1, 3, 5, 7, and synth (PROM card) on 10.  (Just wanted to make sure I 
didn't miss anything 
when I downloaded it.  I noticed there were presets assigned to the other 
tracks, just no 
note info.)

Did you do something different when you recorded track 5 vs. the others? 


 






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