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I'm looking for a device to sync my Command Station with the sound 
form my turntables.

I found such a device, the Redsound Micro Sync, but Redsound stopped 
production of this one (and it's bigger brother Voyager) last year...

I was really wondering if products that are similar are out there for 
purchase.

I DO NOT need the automatic beat counter like on the Micro Sync, a 
tap tempo function should be OK PLUS a feature 'nudge' or something 
like that; so I can change the BPM in steps of 0.1 AND the ability 
to "bpm bend".  A remote start/stop button should be OK also but 
that's not really neccecary.  BPM screen should be great.


Thanks for anyone who want to help; I searched for a long time on the 
web but I did not find anything like the Micro Sync, alas...

I actually use a MicroSync for the same thing you're trying to do, and 
like you I couldn't find anything else that came close to what it does.  I 
do know there are still some out there though, you just need to hunt 
around.  Maybe try and get a hold of Red Sound's distributer?  I recommend 
you keep trying to find a MicroSync if you can, they really do work quite 
well.

rEalm






steven_volckaert <steftjesterk@...>
02/11/2004 01:16 AM
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        Subject:        [xl7] BPM syncronisation device


I'm looking for a device to sync my Command Station with the sound 
form my turntables.

I found such a device, the Redsound Micro Sync, but Redsound stopped 
production of this one (and it's bigger brother Voyager) last year...

I was really wondering if products that are similar are out there for 
purchase.

I DO NOT need the automatic beat counter like on the Micro Sync, a 
tap tempo function should be OK PLUS a feature 'nudge' or something 
like that; so I can change the BPM in steps of 0.1 AND the ability 
to "bpm bend".  A remote start/stop button should be OK also but 
that's not really neccecary.  BPM screen should be great.


Thanks for anyone who want to help; I searched for a long time on the 
web but I did not find anything like the Micro Sync, alas...



 
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I believe that Behringer has just released a copy of the Red Sound BPM
detector/sync device (NAMM 2004)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> I actually use a MicroSync for the same thing you're trying to do, and 
> like you I couldn't find anything else that came close to what it
does.  I 
> do know there are still some out there though, you just need to hunt 
> around.  Maybe try and get a hold of Red Sound's distributer?  I
recommend 
> you keep trying to find a MicroSync if you can, they really do work
quite 

> well.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> steven_volckaert <steftjesterk@h...>
> 02/11/2004 01:16 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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>         Subject:        [xl7] BPM syncronisation device
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a device to sync my Command Station with the sound 
> form my turntables.
> 
> I found such a device, the Redsound Micro Sync, but Redsound stopped 
> production of this one (and it's bigger brother Voyager) last year...
> 
> I was really wondering if products that are similar are out there for 
> purchase.
> 
> I DO NOT need the automatic beat counter like on the Micro Sync, a 
> tap tempo function should be OK PLUS a feature 'nudge' or something 
> like that; so I can change the BPM in steps of 0.1 AND the ability 
> to "bpm bend".  A remote start/stop button should be OK also but 
> that's not really neccecary.  BPM screen should be great.
> 
> 
> Thanks for anyone who want to help; I searched for a long time on the 
> web but I did not find anything like the Micro Sync, alas...
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Hmm, the only thing I could find was this:

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex_dj.cfm?id=DFX69&lang=ENG&CFID=1534616&CFTOKEN=84916988

It'll detect BPM's, but doesn't send MIDI clock.  Is that what you were 
referring to?

rEalm




I believe that Behringer has just released a copy of the Red Sound BPM
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Thanks very much for the reply, I send an email today to the 
distributer for Europe, which is in Italy, but I did not yet get an 
answer back...

I also did send an email to Redsound and they said Redsound is 
planning to make some similar products this year.  But this is not 
certain...  Let's hope the make a new Micro Sync :)


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> I actually use a MicroSync for the same thing you're trying to do, 
and 
> like you I couldn't find anything else that came close to what it 
does.  I 
> do know there are still some out there though, you just need to 
hunt 
> around.  Maybe try and get a hold of Red Sound's distributer?  I 
recommend 
> you keep trying to find a MicroSync if you can, they really do work 
quite 
> well.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> steven_volckaert <steftjesterk@h...>
> 02/11/2004 01:16 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] BPM syncronisation device
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a device to sync my Command Station with the sound 
> form my turntables.
> 
> I found such a device, the Redsound Micro Sync, but Redsound 
stopped 
> production of this one (and it's bigger brother Voyager) last 
year...
> 
> I was really wondering if products that are similar are out there 
for 
> purchase.
> 
> I DO NOT need the automatic beat counter like on the Micro Sync, a 
> tap tempo function should be OK PLUS a feature 'nudge' or something 
> like that; so I can change the BPM in steps of 0.1 AND the ability 
> to "bpm bend".  A remote start/stop button should be OK also but 
> that's not really neccecary.  BPM screen should be great.
> 
> 
> Thanks for anyone who want to help; I searched for a long time on 
the 
> web but I did not find anything like the Micro Sync, alas...
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Wow, that would be cool!  As much as I like the Micro Sync, there are some 
areas it could be improved on.  For instance it need some type of lag 
processor to slow down tempo changes.  Sometimes it thinks the tempo has 
changed and will start pushing and pulling the midiclock, would be nice if 
it waited a bit before changing the tempo.

rEalm



I also did send an email to Redsound and they said Redsound is planning to 
make some similar products this year.  But this is not certain...  Let's 
hope the make a new Micro Sync :)



 






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I hope this is NOT the clone of the Micro Sync by Behringer.
At the first look, it's like crap (like many Behringer DJ-stuff).

I hope they made a decent clone of the sync device and put it for 
once in a metal casing in place of a plastic one... I really hate 
that poor building quality on some Behringer things.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Hmm, the only thing I could find was this:
> 
> http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex_dj.cfm?
id=DFX69&lang=ENG&CFID=1534616&CFTOKEN=84916988
> 
> It'll detect BPM's, but doesn't send MIDI clock.  Is that what you 
were 
> referring to?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I believe that Behringer has just released a copy of the Red Sound 
BPM
> detector/sync device (NAMM 2004)
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That's why they can afford to sell them so cheap.  :)

rEalm




I hope they made a decent clone of the sync device and put it for 
once in a metal casing in place of a plastic one... I really hate 
that poor building quality on some Behringer things.


 






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What OS version is your MicroSync? Mine is 2.04, and I gotta say I found the
midiclock output when there's no input audio signal to be a bit erratic.

I also agree with you saying it needs a lag processor when it's syncing to
audio - sometimes it starts pushing and pulling the beats all over the place
even when there's a steady beat.

Stu

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From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: 11 February 2004 16:12
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: BPM syncronisation device


That's why they can afford to sell them so cheap.  :)

rEalm




I hope they made a decent clone of the sync device and put it for
once in a metal casing in place of a plastic one... I really hate
that poor building quality on some Behringer things.









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That's why I do not need the audio input...  I think it's far more 
accurate if you can just tap the tempo, and then do fine adjustments 
with the "nudge" function to accurately que up the music.

-> If I can lay my hands on a micro sync I would not use the audio 
input.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> What OS version is your MicroSync? Mine is 2.04, and I gotta say I 
found the
> midiclock output when there's no input audio signal to be a bit 
erratic.
> 
> I also agree with you saying it needs a lag processor when it's 
syncing to
> audio - sometimes it starts pushing and pulling the beats all over 
the place
> even when there's a steady beat.
> 
> Stu
> 
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> Sent: 11 February 2004 16:12
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> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: BPM syncronisation device
> 
> 
> That's why they can afford to sell them so cheap.  :)
> 
> rEalm
> 
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> 
> I hope they made a decent clone of the sync device and put it for
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I think pretty much all of them are 2.04.  I contacted Red Sound when I 
first got mine to make sure there wasn't a more recent update,a dn tehy 
told me that 2.04 was the final version for the MicroSync's.

As for the push pull thing, yeah, that's the only real downside of this 
little box.  Sometimes it acts a little unpredictably, and can go off beat 
for a bit.  I find the best way to use mine, is to let it calculate the 
tempo, hit start to sync my PX-7, and then put it in "freewheeling mode" 
for the rest of the time.  you can still use the nudge buttons if you hear 
it starting to slip, and you don't have to worry about it getting a stray 
tempo, or during long drops.

The MicroSync is still the best out for this kinda of stuff, but it does 
require a bit more 'babysitting' than I would prefer.  If it was accurate 
enough to just hit play and forget about it, that would be so sweet.  Oh 
well, if it was too easy....

rEalm






What OS version is your MicroSync? Mine is 2.04, and I gotta say I found 
the
midiclock output when there's no input audio signal to be a bit erratic.

I also agree with you saying it needs a lag processor when it's syncing to
audio - sometimes it starts pushing and pulling the beats all over the 
place
even when there's a steady beat.

Stu

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Sent: 11 February 2004 16:12
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: BPM syncronisation device


That's why they can afford to sell them so cheap.  :)

rEalm




I hope they made a decent clone of the sync device and put it for
once in a metal casing in place of a plastic one... I really hate
that poor building quality on some Behringer things.









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Yeah, if the XX-7's sequencers had a tempo resolution better than just 
whole numbers (i.e 134.5), I would have just synced it by ear right from 
the XL-7's front panel and not eved gotten my MicroSync.  But as I'm 
usually using it with both decks going at once, it's not practical to get 
it close and then adjust the tables to match.

rEalm




That's why I do not need the audio input...  I think it's far more 
accurate if you can just tap the tempo, and then do fine adjustments 
with the "nudge" function to accurately que up the music.

-> If I can lay my hands on a micro sync I would not use the audio 
input.


 






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That's why I need a Micro Sync or something similar...

Let's hope Redsound doesn't wait too long with this new model...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Yeah, if the XX-7's sequencers had a tempo resolution better than 
just 
> whole numbers (i.e 134.5), I would have just synced it by ear right 
from 
> the XL-7's front panel and not eved gotten my MicroSync.  But as 
I'm 
> usually using it with both decks going at once, it's not practical 
to get 
> it close and then adjust the tables to match.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's why I do not need the audio input...  I think it's far more 
> accurate if you can just tap the tempo, and then do fine 
adjustments 
> with the "nudge" function to accurately que up the music.
> 
> -> If I can lay my hands on a micro sync I would not use the audio 
> input.
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