Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

well I would first like to thank Scott for replying to my question.

Ok I have been trying to finish a track and find myself swearing out 
loud yet again trying to deal with this thing.   

Maby this is for the bug list if this stuff is not already on it.

This switching between patterns thing is still totaly buggy. Why do 
i have to turn this thing on and off to be able to switch from one 
pattern to the next withought it glitching?

Sticking notes are happening all the time.  Like evry time i run the 
patterns i am working on and the seem to stick and un stick at will.

The quantize has a habbit of placing the first note i play at the 
verry end of the loop i am recording.  

It changes all the fx routings on my E5000 each time i press stop 
twice.

And when i turn it off and on and return to a pattern it changes my 
DigiTech studio quads preset as well.

At this point I can't belive it but for the first time since i have 
owned this thing (4-5 months)It has crossed my mind to start using 
the computer again.

I am not using eloader to send sequences to and from this thing i am 
only using it to save patces and to rearange my patterns.  I don't 
like software sequencers but they work untill windows dont.  At 
least I can come back to sompthing and not have to spend the first 
half an hour setting all the things i have already done knowing that 
when i turn the thing off it is all gone again.   This is saddening 
to me.  I love the support that i have been getting here and love to 
support a company that has a good aditude about making musical 
technoligy. But i have to be able to wright music in order to stay 
sane, and right now and the during the sessions i have had in the 
last few months I have left me feeling agrivated.  

I was about to finish a track before I sat down to wright this but i 
turned the thing off and on to get my patterns to change smoothly 
anb lost all my fx routings on all my gear. And also lost the patch 
that i took about an hour to set up in the studio quad(ya I saved it 
but cant find it).  So it is just to much to deal with.  This can 
not be happening so regularly as far as i am concerned.  I am 
someone who likes to be able to take on new customers with a feeling 
of confidence and with this as my only sequencer i dont want to even 
have people in to the studio.

I know this is a long letter and not a positive one but i am not 
just trying to be a bitch.  I would like to keep on using this 
product. The idea is absolutly amasing and it is alone in the market 
place as far as i am concerned.  It just is not a finished product. 
and I would love to see the problems worked out ASAP. 

If someone can help me figure out how to keep some of the problems 
from finishing my work please tell me.

Mike 

A frustrated XL user.

On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 09:39  PM, mikexl7 wrote:

> This switching between patterns thing is still totaly buggy. Why do
> i have to turn this thing on and off to be able to switch from one
> pattern to the next withought it glitching?

As far as I understand the known bug in this area, the problem spot is 
when switching between some other pattern and the one in the current 
edit buffer. If you Save the current pattern, then it should be much 
smoother when switching. After Saving, it should act the same as if you 
had rebooted the machine. (I'm not sure of this, since I haven't tested 
it explicitly, but that is my current understanding).


> Sticking notes are happening all the time.  Like evry time i run the
> patterns i am working on and the seem to stick and un stick at will.

Can you isolate on any other info that correlates to when this happens? 
Do you have a pattern that does it all the time? If so, send it to me 
and I will investigate it.

> The quantize has a habbit of placing the first note i play at the
> verry end of the loop i am recording.

Again, do you have a preset pre-quantized and post-quantized that you 
can send me, and tell me what your quanitzation setting were?


> It changes all the fx routings on my E5000 each time i press stop
> twice.

When you press the Stop button twice it forces a send of all the 'setup' 
info that is at tick 0 (MultiSetup settings etc.). If it is setting 
external things not the way you want, it sounds like your MultiSetup is 
not set correctly for what you want to happen. When you make changes to 
your MultiSetup you will have to Save it, otherwise it will not be the 
same the next time you power up. Once you play the pattern once, there 
is a presumption that there is no need to send that setup info the next 
time it loops or you just want to Play because things are already set 
up, so it is not sent.


> And when i turn it off and on and return to a pattern it changes my
> DigiTech studio quads preset as well.

Similarly to above, when first powering up it will send the setup info 
that is in the current sequence (which I think will always be Pattern 0 
after a power up). So the stuff that is save in Pattern 0 is apparently 
not what you want as the default. You should make sure that the setup 
info on the startup pattern is what you want (and Saved) by default in 
your studio.

Scott

> Von: Scott Ruda <scottr@...>
> Antworten an: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Datum: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:30:46 -0800
> An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [xl7] 12 hous of work and another thing i cant record due to the
> bugs.
> 
>> It changes all the fx routings on my E5000 each time i press stop
>> twice.
> 
> When you press the Stop button twice it forces a send of all the 'setup'
> info that is at tick 0 (MultiSetup settings etc.). If it is setting
> external things not the way you want, it sounds like your MultiSetup is
> not set correctly for what you want to happen. When you make changes to
> your MultiSetup you will have to Save it, otherwise it will not be the
> same the next time you power up. Once you play the pattern once, there
> is a presumption that there is no need to send that setup info the next
> time it loops or you just want to Play because things are already set
> up, so it is not sent.

I´ve had the same problem with my E4x, here´s a workaround, delete all
control 79 and 80 in your pattern. Control 79 (or 80, i don´t remember)
switches the output assignment in  your sampler.

Does anybody know a way how to make the mp7 not save this data intially to
the pattern, or a way to edit this tick 0?




>> Sticking notes are happening all the time.  Like evry time i run the
>> patterns i am working on and the seem to stick and un stick at will.

>Can you isolate on any other info that correlates to when this happens?
>Do you have a pattern that does it all the time? If so, send it to me
>and I will investigate it.

I have the same problem, it happens only in some patterns, that some notes
play sometimes and sometimes not, it´s always the same note

Alex

"As far as I understand the known bug in this area, the problem spot 
is > when switching between some other pattern and the one in the 
current edit buffer. If you Save the current pattern, then it should 
be much smoother when switching. After Saving, it should act the 
same as if you had rebooted the machine. (I'm not sure of this, 
since I haven't tested it explicitly, but that is my current 
understanding)."

I am not shur that i understand you on ths one.  so I have created a 
pattern, save it switch to the new pattern save the new pattern and 
then it should switch with out a problem?  Is that right?  What if i 
need to go through a larg number of patterns?> 
> 
 Sticking notes are happening all the time.  Like evry time i run 
the patterns i am working on and the seem to stick and un stick at 
will.
> 
>"Can you isolate on any other info that correlates to when this 
happens? Do you have a pattern that does it all the time? If so, 
send it to me and I will investigate it."

Yes I have a pattern that is sticking all the time.  But I 
unfortunately can't send it to you.  I don't have a midi card that 
works with my computer.
> 
> The quantize has a habbit of placing the first note i play at the
> verry end of the loop i am recording.
> 
> "Again, do you have a preset pre-quantized and post-quantized that 
you can send me, and tell me what your quanitzation setting were?"

Same problem.
> 
> >It changes all the fx routings on my E5000 each time i press stop
> >twice.
> 
>"When you press the Stop button twice it forces a send of all 
the 'setup' info that is at tick 0 (MultiSetup settings etc.). If it 
is setting external things not the way you want, it sounds like your 
MultiSetup is not set correctly for what you want to happen. When 
you make changes to your MultiSetup you will have to Save it, 
otherwise it will not be the same the next time you power up. Once 
you play the pattern once, there is a presumption that there is no 
need to send that setup info the next time it loops or you just want 
to Play because things are already set up, so it is not sent."

That is GREAT news I thank you for spelling that out for me.  I 
thought that that information was stored with the pattern 
automatically with it.  I am verry glad that I was just 
missunderstandint this box and it is not a bug.  One question on 
this one is will the multi setup be recalled with the pattern?  From 
what you said it sounds like it would but i just want to be shur. 
> 
> 
"and when i turn it off and on and return to a pattern it changes my
studio quads preset as well. Similarly to above, when first powering 
up it will send the setup info that is in the current sequence 
(which I think will always be Pattern 0 after a power up). So the 
stuff that is save in Pattern 0 is apparently not what you want as 
the default. You should make sure that the setup info on the startup 
pattern is what you want (and Saved) by default in your studio."

Ah i see, well the setup is often different for each thing i wright 
so what i have in pattern one is not good for all things that i am 
working on.  Same question here as above.  Will the multi setup be 
recalled with the switching to new patterns?

Scott I thank you for your time.  I will probibly answer some of my 
own questions before the nigh through thanks to your help.

Mike