Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I joined the group a week or 2 ago, but just got the PX-7 yesterday.  So far, it's 
a great machine, but there's something that I can't find in the manual that may 
or may not be there.  I'd appreciate your help.

The main reason I upgraded my drum machine was for the extra analog outs.  
I was working with the Boss DR770 wich only has one stero pair and another 
individual out.

Any way, what I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so that I'm 
able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is this possible?  Can 
you point me to pages or chapters in the manual?  I'm only able to find info on 
assigning effects.

If this can't be done, what's the work around?  Should I record each track into 
Pro Tools as midi data?  Ultimately, my goal is to to record as many tracks as 
possible in one pass and keep each drum sound on its own track.


Thanks!

"bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
"I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so that I'm 
> able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is this 
possible?"

Hi - Welcome to the group
This is totally posible.
The term for this is *Mix Output* and can be found on page 212 of the 
manual.
The outputs are stereo so you can have a track asigned to one of the 
three stereo outputs.If you want to utilise the 6 outputs as single 
mono outputs (say, to do post panning in pro tools) then you can 
*hard-pan* any track so it goes out of a specified mono output.
Hope this helps
:p


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> I joined the group a week or 2 ago, but just got the PX-7 yesterday. 
 So far, it's 
> a great machine, but there's something that I can't find in the 
manual that may 
> or may not be there.  I'd appreciate your help.
> 
> The main reason I upgraded my drum machine was for the extra analog 
outs.  
> I was working with the Boss DR770 wich only has one stero pair and 
another 
> individual out.
> 
> Any way, what I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so 
that I'm 
> able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is this 
possible?  Can 
> you point me to pages or chapters in the manual?  I'm only able to 
find info on 
> assigning effects.
> 
> If this can't be done, what's the work around?  Should I record each 
track into 
> Pro Tools as midi data?  Ultimately, my goal is to to record as many 
tracks as 

> possible in one pass and keep each drum sound on its own track.
> 
> 
> Thanks!

Thanks for getting bacl to me!

My manual may be a bit different.  My page 212 has Volume Envelope info, 
but I did see Mix Output instructions on other pages.

Thiing is, the instructions they give there are for sending effects.  I guess it's 
the same concept.  Being new to the instrument makes it tough not getting 
specific instructions, but you are the 2nd person that told me it can be done, 
so I'm relieved.  I just have to re-interpret the instructions.

And yes, I want to use the 6 outs as mono.  From using other equipment, I 
figured I could hard pan 2 tracks to the same set of stereo outs to use them as 
mono.

Thanks!
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:

> "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> "I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so that I'm 
> > able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is this 
> possible?"
> 
> Hi - Welcome to the group
> This is totally posible.
> The term for this is *Mix Output* and can be found on page 212 of the 
> manual.
> The outputs are stereo so you can have a track asigned to one of the 
> three stereo outputs.If you want to utilise the 6 outputs as single 
> mono outputs (say, to do post panning in pro tools) then you can 
> *hard-pan* any track so it goes out of a specified mono output.
> Hope this helps
> :p
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> > I joined the group a week or 2 ago, but just got the PX-7 yesterday. 
>  So far, it's 
> > a great machine, but there's something that I can't find in the 
> manual that may 
> > or may not be there.  I'd appreciate your help.
> > 
> > The main reason I upgraded my drum machine was for the extra analog 
> outs.  
> > I was working with the Boss DR770 wich only has one stero pair and 
> another 
> > individual out.
> > 
> > Any way, what I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so 
> that I'm 
> > able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is this 
> possible?  Can 
> > you point me to pages or chapters in the manual?  I'm only able to 
> find info on 
> > assigning effects.
> > 
> > If this can't be done, what's the work around?  Should I record each 
> track into 
> > Pro Tools as midi data?  Ultimately, my goal is to to record as many 
> tracks as 
> > possible in one pass and keep each drum sound on its own track.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!

Ok.
This is a global setting:
Press the global button and scroll down to *mix output* and you can 
then define an output for each channel (as default the track numbers 
are the same as the channels)- dont forget to scroll back and *save 
multisetup*  after renaming it. It can then be used as a default to 
build upon for later multisetups. You´ll have to save the hard-pan 
(left or right) in the preset itself (again save to a user location 
after setting).
I´d suggest you do some searching for mutisetups here in the group 
before going too far.Theres also some great tips and tricks and FAQs 
in the files (again, here in the group)
good luck
:paul


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for getting bacl to me!
> 
> My manual may be a bit different.  My page 212 has Volume Envelope 
info, 
> but I did see Mix Output instructions on other pages.
> 
> Thiing is, the instructions they give there are for sending effects. 
 I guess it's 
> the same concept.  Being new to the instrument makes it tough not 
getting 
> specific instructions, but you are the 2nd person that told me it 
can be done, 
> so I'm relieved.  I just have to re-interpret the instructions.
> 
> And yes, I want to use the 6 outs as mono.  From using other 
equipment, I 
> figured I could hard pan 2 tracks to the same set of stereo outs to 
use them as 
> mono.
> 
> Thanks!
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> > "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> > "I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out so that I'm 
> > > able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is 
this 
> > possible?"
> > 
> > Hi - Welcome to the group
> > This is totally posible.
> > The term for this is *Mix Output* and can be found on page 212 of 
the 
> > manual.
> > The outputs are stereo so you can have a track asigned to one of 
the 
> > three stereo outputs.If you want to utilise the 6 outputs as 
single 
> > mono outputs (say, to do post panning in pro tools) then you can 
> > *hard-pan* any track so it goes out of a specified mono output.
> > Hope this helps
> > :p
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> > > I joined the group a week or 2 ago, but just got the PX-7 
yesterday. 
> >  So far, it's 
> > > a great machine, but there's something that I can't find in the 
> > manual that may 
> > > or may not be there.  I'd appreciate your help.
> > > 
> > > The main reason I upgraded my drum machine was for the extra 
analog 
> > outs.  
> > > I was working with the Boss DR770 wich only has one stero pair 
and 
> > another 
> > > individual out.
> > > 
> > > Any way, what I'm looking to do is assign one tracks to each out 
so 
> > that I'm 
> > > able to record 6 tracks of audio into Pro Tools at once.  Is 
this 
> > possible?  Can 
> > > you point me to pages or chapters in the manual?  I'm only able 
to 
> > find info on 
> > > assigning effects.
> > > 
> > > If this can't be done, what's the work around?  Should I record 
each 
> > track into 
> > > Pro Tools as midi data?  Ultimately, my goal is to to record as 
many 

> > tracks as 
> > > possible in one pass and keep each drum sound on its own track.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks!

Thank you!!!

This will be the first thing I try tonight.  The way you put it makes 
it sound very simple.

One other thing I have't figured out.  When you (or the manual) say 
preset, are you referring to the individual instruments/notes(kick, 
snare, hi hat) or the entire kit?  I ask because I'm primarly using 
the PX 7 as a drum machine, and I'm putting each drum instrument on 
its own track.  Kick on 1, snare on 2, ect.  Would I be panning the 
individual drum sounds or the entire kit?

Either way, you helped me a great deal.  If you can only pan the kit, 
I can always use or set up a kit with all kicks, another with all 
snare, ect.

Thanks again.  I'll do some searches as well.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> Ok.
> This is a global setting:
> Press the global button and scroll down to *mix output* and you can 
> then define an output for each channel (as default the track 
numbers 
> are the same as the channels)- dont forget to scroll back and *save 
> multisetup*  after renaming it. It can then be used as a default to 
> build upon for later multisetups. You´ll have to save the hard-pan 
> (left or right) in the preset itself (again save to a user location 
> after setting).
> I´d suggest you do some searching for mutisetups here in the group 
> before going too far.Theres also some great tips and tricks and 
FAQs 

> in the files (again, here in the group)
> good luck
> :paul
> 
>

"bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
 When you (or the manual) say 
> preset, are you referring to the individual instruments/notes(kick, 
> snare, hi hat) or the entire kit? 

I guess the best way to understand what a preset is is to simply press 
the preset button in the *mode/view* area and choose one.Then, press 
the other preset button in the *edit* area(top left-hand side of yout 
xx7).In the preset edit scroll down one page and you will see the 
*instrument* screen.Move the cursur to L1 and scroll around and you´ll 
notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers).
Now, for drum sounds, these instruments can be either a whole kit 
spread out over the keyboard range or a single drum spread out over 
the keyboard range.
If ,as I do, you only ever need a kick drum on track 1 then (depending 
on which ROM you have) you can create a preset with only kicks spread 
all along the keyboard range (i.e a kick will sound a C# when C# is 
played on the keyboard - alternativly you can choose a whole bunch of 
kicks that sound completely different -like a palette of kicks).
Elswhere in the preset edit function you can change all sorts of 
things like filters,patchcords etc (see the names underneath the 
trigger buttons - the LEDs light up as you scroll.
The manual also speeks of instant gratification - they don´t mention 
that this is soon followed by instant frustration!It takes a lot of 
practice and hanging around in this group, trawling the archives - but 
I´m sure you´ll get there soon.
Don´t let it grind you down - its a great machine.
:paul

First, thank you for taking time to explain some of this stuff.  Let 
me see if I got this.

I'm still a bit confused by your explaination.

"notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers)."
This leads me to believe that a preset is the sound on ONE pad, made 
up of the 4 layers of instruments.  But the specs say there are 512 
presets.  From scrolling through, I can see that there are 512 kits, 
so I guess that answers my question.

I am like you in that I put my drum sounds on separate tracks.  So 
the kick is on 1, snare on 2, ect.
In your earlier respons, you said that I can assign a preset to 
specific out.  Now I take that to mean the entire kit will be 
assigned to that output.  Is that why you suggest that I use a 
kit/preset full of kicks, then a kit/preset full of snares, ect?  Do 
you find it difficult to sequence drums like this?

Is it possible to instead assign tracks to separate outputs and pan 
the tracks hard left and right so that I can use the outputs as 6 
individual mono instead of 3 stereo pairs?  This would allow me to 
sequence using a kit containing kick, snare, hi hat, ect. and not 
have to continuously switch presets while sequencing.

Trying to explain things and ask questions online is tough.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> I guess the best way to understand what a preset is is to simply 
press 
> the preset button in the *mode/view* area and choose one.Then, 
press 
> the other preset button in the *edit* area(top left-hand side of 
yout 
> xx7).In the preset edit scroll down one page and you will see the 
> *instrument* screen.Move the cursur to L1 and scroll around and 
you´ll 
> notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers).
> Now, for drum sounds, these instruments can be either a whole kit 
> spread out over the keyboard range or a single drum spread out over 
> the keyboard range.
> If ,as I do, you only ever need a kick drum on track 1 then 
(depending 
> on which ROM you have) you can create a preset with only kicks 
spread 
> all along the keyboard range (i.e a kick will sound a C# when C# is 
> played on the keyboard - alternativly you can choose a whole bunch 
of 
> kicks that sound completely different -like a palette of kicks).
> Elswhere in the preset edit function you can change all sorts of 
> things like filters,patchcords etc (see the names underneath the 
> trigger buttons - the LEDs light up as you scroll.
> The manual also speeks of instant gratification - they don´t 
mention 
> that this is soon followed by instant frustration!It takes a lot of 
> practice and hanging around in this group, trawling the archives - 
but 

> I´m sure you´ll get there soon.
> Don´t let it grind you down - its a great machine.
> :paul

Oh yeah.  I'm using just the ROM that came with the PX 7.  It's the 
drum ROM.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
>  When you (or the manual) say 
> > preset, are you referring to the individual instruments/notes
(kick, 
> > snare, hi hat) or the entire kit? 
> 
> I guess the best way to understand what a preset is is to simply 
press 
> the preset button in the *mode/view* area and choose one.Then, 
press 
> the other preset button in the *edit* area(top left-hand side of 
yout 
> xx7).In the preset edit scroll down one page and you will see the 
> *instrument* screen.Move the cursur to L1 and scroll around and 
you´ll 
> notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers).
> Now, for drum sounds, these instruments can be either a whole kit 
> spread out over the keyboard range or a single drum spread out over 
> the keyboard range.
> If ,as I do, you only ever need a kick drum on track 1 then 
(depending 
> on which ROM you have) you can create a preset with only kicks 
spread 
> all along the keyboard range (i.e a kick will sound a C# when C# is 
> played on the keyboard - alternativly you can choose a whole bunch 
of 
> kicks that sound completely different -like a palette of kicks).
> Elswhere in the preset edit function you can change all sorts of 
> things like filters,patchcords etc (see the names underneath the 
> trigger buttons - the LEDs light up as you scroll.
> The manual also speeks of instant gratification - they don´t 
mention 
> that this is soon followed by instant frustration!It takes a lot of 
> practice and hanging around in this group, trawling the archives - 
but 

> I´m sure you´ll get there soon.
> Don´t let it grind you down - its a great machine.
> :paul

From page 17 of the G-revision of the XL7 Manual:

"Audio Outputs
Three sets of programmable stereo outputs (Main, Sub 1, and Sub 2) 
are provided. The internal effects are available only on the Main 
outputs.
Specific presets (or MIDI channels) can be routed to one of these 
stereo pairs in order to be processed further or mixed separately. 
The S/PDIF output duplicates the function of the main outputs."

- I route my kicks, on ch1 one, this way to a specific output,so if 
you are consistent in how you map your presets, it should work.
If you don't have this latest copy of the manual, download it from 
the files section, its much updated from all the printed manuals I 
have seen.
And like it has been said, don't get too frustrated, as I know from 
not being able to figure out what I wanted to do for months, and 
rather than give up (which is where I was going) a tip from someone 
here made me go back and try again and I finally got it working..

Dana
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bezowinz" <bezowinz@y...> wrote:
> First, thank you for taking time to explain some of this stuff.  
Let 
> me see if I got this.
> 
> I'm still a bit confused by your explaination.
> 
> "notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers)."
> This leads me to believe that a preset is the sound on ONE pad, 
made 
> up of the 4 layers of instruments.  But the specs say there are 
512 
> presets.  From scrolling through, I can see that there are 512 
kits, 
> so I guess that answers my question.
> 
> I am like you in that I put my drum sounds on separate tracks.  So 
> the kick is on 1, snare on 2, ect.
> In your earlier respons, you said that I can assign a preset to 
> specific out.  Now I take that to mean the entire kit will be 
> assigned to that output.  Is that why you suggest that I use a 
> kit/preset full of kicks, then a kit/preset full of snares, ect?  
Do 
> you find it difficult to sequence drums like this?
> 
> Is it possible to instead assign tracks to separate outputs and 
pan 
> the tracks hard left and right so that I can use the outputs as 6 
> individual mono instead of 3 stereo pairs?  This would allow me to 
> sequence using a kit containing kick, snare, hi hat, ect. and not 
> have to continuously switch presets while sequencing.
> 
> Trying to explain things and ask questions online is tough.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> > I guess the best way to understand what a preset is is to simply 
> press 
> > the preset button in the *mode/view* area and choose one.Then, 
> press 
> > the other preset button in the *edit* area(top left-hand side of 
> yout 
> > xx7).In the preset edit scroll down one page and you will see 
the 
> > *instrument* screen.Move the cursur to L1 and scroll around and 
> you´ll 
> > notice that the preset can be made up of 4 instruments (layers).
> > Now, for drum sounds, these instruments can be either a whole 
kit 
> > spread out over the keyboard range or a single drum spread out 
over 
> > the keyboard range.
> > If ,as I do, you only ever need a kick drum on track 1 then 
> (depending 
> > on which ROM you have) you can create a preset with only kicks 
> spread 
> > all along the keyboard range (i.e a kick will sound a C# when C# 
is 
> > played on the keyboard - alternativly you can choose a whole 
bunch 
> of 
> > kicks that sound completely different -like a palette of kicks).
> > Elswhere in the preset edit function you can change all sorts of 
> > things like filters,patchcords etc (see the names underneath the 
> > trigger buttons - the LEDs light up as you scroll.
> > The manual also speeks of instant gratification - they don´t 
> mention 
> > that this is soon followed by instant frustration!It takes a lot 
of 
> > practice and hanging around in this group, trawling the 
archives - 

> but 
> > I´m sure you´ll get there soon.
> > Don´t let it grind you down - its a great machine.
> > :paul

--- bezowinz <bezowinz@...> wrote:
> When you (or the manual) say preset, are you referring to the
> individual instruments/notes(kick, snare) or the entire kit?

A preset is a collection of four "instruments" and the associated synth
parameters (like filter, envelopes, etc.)  An "instrument" may contain
an entire kit's worth of samples.  When you select a sound for a track,
you are selecting a preset. (which may or may not be a full kit).

-Aaron

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In a message dated 1/21/04 3:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
synthesis77@... writes:
An "instrument" may contain
an entire kit's worth of samples.  
how is this?

plastic


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You are probably used to dealing with individual samples. For 
instance, "kick" or "snare" or "string-sus"

In E-mu land, these are all grouped for you into "instruments". This 
is why you can't create your own kits per se... you are stuck with 
whatever was done to make that "instrument", or grouping, at the 
factory.

There are ways you can get around this for custom kits, etc... but 
that is the difference between an instrument and a sample (or "wave" 
in Yamaha terminology).

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, PLASTICEFX@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/21/04 3:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> synthesis77@y... writes:
> An "instrument" may contain
> an entire kit's worth of samples.  
> how is this?
> 
> plastic

Ask a musician which INSTRUMENT he/she plays and they answer "the 
drum- kit" one can percieve that a drum-kit is a single instrument.
However, the nature of a drum-kit isn´t consistent to other 
instruments like wind or srings that are layed out in ascending or 
descending notes/octaves or scales. Imagine The drum-kit in piano 
form.
Kind of abstract, admitted, but thats midi!
 :paul

In a message dated 1/21/04 7:20:34 PM, tuttle@... writes:

<< Ask a musician which INSTRUMENT he/she plays and they answer "the 

drum- kit" one can percieve that a drum-kit is a single instrument.

However, the nature of a drum-kit isn´t consistent to other 

instruments like wind or srings that are layed out in ascending or 

descending notes/octaves or scales. Imagine The drum-kit in piano 

form.

Kind of abstract, admitted, but thats midi!

 :paul >>

well..what you're effectively saying then, is that the drum "kit" as you 
will,  has melody.  which it does.  natch..

so not really that abstract.!!  abstract is emu meets apple.  now that's 
abstract..

plastic

> In a message dated 1/21/04 7:20:34 PM, tuttle@... writes:
> << Ask a musician which INSTRUMENT he/she plays and they answer "the 
> drum- kit" one can percieve that a drum-kit is a single instrument.
> However, the nature of a drum-kit isn´t consistent to other 
> instruments like wind or srings that are layed out in ascending or 
> descending notes/octaves or scales. Imagine The drum-kit in piano 
> form.

I play keyboard-drums better than many drummers play with sticks.
I have ten "arms" and two feet!

-m@

"Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:

> I play keyboard-drums better than many drummers play with sticks.
> I have ten "arms" and two feet!
> 
> -m@

LOL
Too true - check out the Aphex Twin video - "Monkey Drummer". 

:p

I didn't think that was an aphex twin video, it is an aphex twin 
song, but i thought it was more of a proof of concept reel for chris 
cunningham (the director)

it's on this dvd...there's a 3pack of all 3 discs on amazon for $35.  
pretty cool stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/B0000DBJ9I/qid=1074788235/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/v=glance&s=dvd

-iso


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:

>  "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> 
> > I play keyboard-drums better than many drummers play with sticks.
> > I have ten "arms" and two feet!
> > 
> > -m@
> 
> LOL
> Too true - check out the Aphex Twin video - "Monkey Drummer". 
> 
> :p

Ok,ok. Anyhow, Cunninghan stole the idea from Chico McMurtrie anyway.

http://www.amorphicrobotworks.org/

:p


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "isomakcb" <isomakcb@y...> wrote:
> I didn't think that was an aphex twin video, it is an aphex twin 
> song, but i thought it was more of a proof of concept reel for chris 
> cunningham (the director)
> 
> it's on this dvd...there's a 3pack of all 3 discs on amazon for $35. 
 
> pretty cool stuff.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
> /B0000DBJ9I/qid=1074788235/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/v=glance&s=dvd
> 
> -iso
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> >  "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I play keyboard-drums better than many drummers play with 
sticks.

> > > I have ten "arms" and two feet!
> > > 
> > > -m@
> > 
> > LOL
> > Too true - check out the Aphex Twin video - "Monkey Drummer". 
> > 
> > :p