Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I was thinking about this today (bored at work), when the USB port becomes 
functional on the XL/MP-7's, it could really open up a whole new realm of 
possibilities for us Command Station users.  Wouldn't it be cool to not 
only have a graphical Preset editor, but also a graphical pattern and song 
editor as well, sort of a Super E-Loader?  First you would have to hook up 
the Command Station to the computer with both the MIDI ports (to play back 
patterns and songs while you edit them), and the USB ports (to update the 
pattern, preset or song being edited when you're done).  Imagine a screen 
with three tabs (options) on the top: Song, Pattern, and Preset.  Clicking 
on each one would open up the relavant parameters associated with that 
option:

1. Song Editor.  You could see a time line display of your song and be 
able to drag and drop patterns around in order to build and rearrange your 
song.  Along the top of this display would be a single lane for the song 
track.  Once you make your changes, you click on an "Update" button and 
the Song gets saved to the location you specify inside the XL/MP.

2. Pattern Editor.  This could be similiar to a really basic MIDI 
sequencer, sort of laid out like the MIDI Tracker is now.  It could have 
three panes, the middle showing you the notes, the lower showing you the 
CC data.  The upper pane could have areas where you select and edit your 
effects and routings, that sort of stuff.  Since it would only have to be 
up to 32 measures long, it's not like it would have to be complex or 
anything.  You could draw in your notes or move them around while it plays 
back, and when you get it the way you want, stop and hit "Update", and 
it's saved in the XL-7!

3. Preset Editor.  Lots more to control here, but you could have seperate 
pages for arps and some of the more deatiled editing pages.  The ability 
to see all your initial waveforms in a list would be great too, and would 
totally speed up the process of finding the right ones you're looking for.

Ummm, ok, I'll go back to work now and stop day dreaming... :)
rEalm

Great Ideas Mon,..

I was pondering some time after reading realm's Ideas, it kinda 
reminded me how life becomes so much simple (especially with my 
Quasimidi Ravolution 309)when you have an editor to work around with.

 - I Wish E-mu would bring out an editor something like the "309Ed" 
which wasent promgramed by Quasimidi, instead it was done by the 
users.( who did a very good job!!!!!)

 - Hopefully, a " Backing up " (while saving) Messege to let know 
that the machine is actually backing up would be friendly, and would 
prevent unfortunate loss of Data. 
its still alittle hard to tell whether the machines is Saving , 
Baking Up, stuck, Or ....

 - Those Pattern Glitch'es oughta' leave this box as soon as 
possible. not that i find it troubling myself, but it give a bad name 
To an Amazing Product which comes from a great company!
& It frustrates this groupes users enough to be fixed A.S.A.P 

--- No More frustration in the Nation ! ----

 - that Pattern Drag and drop Song Composition Technique that Realm 
had in mind would actually be Beautifull for Song Creation.

All In All I Love My MP7 and wouldnt trade it for anything, even 
though its a bit buggy at the moment, Im full of hope that the Emu 
TechTeam Would work it all out ;).

I Very much hope someone will pay close attention to Realm's wishlist.
all the editor Ideas Were Very Inspiring and hopefully will be made 
Reality for us Users..  1 DAY..

just wanted to say to all group users and Emu reps..

Respect

On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:49  PM, adamhertzano wrote:

>  - Hopefully, a " Backing up " (while saving) Messege to let know
> that the machine is actually backing up would be friendly, and would
> prevent unfortunate loss of Data.
> its still alittle hard to tell whether the machines is Saving ,
> Baking Up, stuck, Or ....

There *is* a message when a unit is compacting/backing up. In the latest 
software it will even allow you to 'defer' the compact/backup to a later 
time. This is done for the case that you are in the middle of a 
performance and you don't want to go 'offline' at that instant (the 
compact/backup can take a few minutes).  Of course this will mean that 
the thing that you are currently trying to save won't be save-able until 
after you allow the compact/backup to complete. If you power down before 
you allow it to compact/backup/save, yes, your changes will be lost.

There should be no lost data unless you power down (or lose power) 
*while* the compact/backup is being done - and the screen will indicate 
that is in progress. There have been some comments (or speculation?) 
that data can be lost if you power down during a simple 'save' (i.e. a 
save that doesn't require a compact/backup.) That is very unlikely 
because it only takes a few milliseconds to do the actual save in those 
cases. You would have to power down at nearly the exact instant that you 
hit save - a very small window of <in>opportunity.

One other place where edits could be lost is where you edit a parameter 
in one of the 'global' menus, - i.e. the Global/Master/Controller/MIDI 
menus where there is no explicit Save command. You must exit the menu 
first before powering down, because that is when the actual save is done.

If someone can show a loss of data in other cases, please let us know. 
That shouldn't happen and it is not something that we are aware of, and 
therefore no fix is in the works.

Scott

I´m very frustrated. Nearly everytime I power up something has 
changed or dissappeared. And I save all CORRECTLY!!! Yes, I save 
all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everytime when I´m powering up and nothing has 
changed I´m so relieved...
I bought it to get away from the computer, but i can`t work with my 
XL-7. Its nearly impossible. I´m so frustrated... And EMU doesn`t 
work on a fix for that???????????????? That can`t be true... 
I´ve bought it for nearly 3000 DM and can`t work with 
it...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gerald


--- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2002, at 12:49  PM, adamhertzano wrote:
> 
> >  - Hopefully, a " Backing up " (while saving) Messege to let know
> > that the machine is actually backing up would be friendly, and 
would
> > prevent unfortunate loss of Data.
> > its still alittle hard to tell whether the machines is Saving ,
> > Baking Up, stuck, Or ....
> 
> There *is* a message when a unit is compacting/backing up. In the 
latest 
> software it will even allow you to 'defer' the compact/backup to a 
later 
> time. This is done for the case that you are in the middle of a 
> performance and you don't want to go 'offline' at that instant (the 
> compact/backup can take a few minutes).  Of course this will mean 
that 
> the thing that you are currently trying to save won't be save-able 
until 
> after you allow the compact/backup to complete. If you power down 
before 
> you allow it to compact/backup/save, yes, your changes will be lost.
> 
> There should be no lost data unless you power down (or lose power) 
> *while* the compact/backup is being done - and the screen will 
indicate 
> that is in progress. There have been some comments (or 
speculation?) 
> that data can be lost if you power down during a simple 'save' 
(i.e. a 
> save that doesn't require a compact/backup.) That is very unlikely 
> because it only takes a few milliseconds to do the actual save in 
those 
> cases. You would have to power down at nearly the exact instant 
that you 
> hit save - a very small window of <in>opportunity.
> 
> One other place where edits could be lost is where you edit a 
parameter 
> in one of the 'global' menus, - i.e. the 
Global/Master/Controller/MIDI 
> menus where there is no explicit Save command. You must exit the 
menu 
> first before powering down, because that is when the actual save is 
done.
> 
> If someone can show a loss of data in other cases, please let us 
know. 
> That shouldn't happen and it is not something that we are aware of, 
and 

> therefore no fix is in the works.
> 
> Scott

Oi Mon,..
there is no need for frustrations unless u is ugly and know Girl in 
this whole Univers wants u.. Aye?
Let Us get tings straight:

You bought a brand New Command station like d rest of us groove 
junkies. 

So...

A. Maybe you should try out something else if you find it too 
troubling too deal with .

B. Did you buy you box in a shop?
Take your box to the shop where u got it and show represent them with 
any malfunction it might have!

C. Im almost sure that if there are any problems with your box there 
shoulndt be any problem for your shop to replace it with a working.
When I bought My MP7 - Track mute button " 14 " wasent working very 
well (in would respond sometimes and wont in others) - staright out 
of The box and , it hasent disturbed neither my Technical 
Satisfaction of this box Or The Karma That Followed..Until 1 time 
when i Unintetionally turned the box off while saving without knowing 
its backing up!

D. No Doubt this box cost a lot, i know!
I is bought it here in Israel, The day it hit the store i usually buy 
my Gear in (MUSIK SHOP). Since Ive had this box, its rocking my room 
and i have been laying down the best tunes ive ever done in just a 
couple of hours!

I is never planned on wanted to make music without involving a 
computer.
Tings Change ;)

Thanks for your words.

->a) is there any gaer? I don`t think so. Perhaps the MPC but... I 
think the concept of the seq of the xl-7 is best for me...

->b) there is no problem with hardware, the OS is to buggy.

How can I see when the xl-7 is backing up,I haven`t seen this. Never.
I only see I star to remember me to save.

best wishes
gerald















-- In xl7@y..., "adamhertzano" <adamhertzano@y...> wrote:
> Oi Mon,..
> there is no need for frustrations unless u is ugly and know Girl in 
> this whole Univers wants u.. Aye?
> Let Us get tings straight:
> 
> You bought a brand New Command station like d rest of us groove 
> junkies. 
> 
> So...
> 
> A. Maybe you should try out something else if you find it too 
> troubling too deal with .
> 
> B. Did you buy you box in a shop?
> Take your box to the shop where u got it and show represent them 
with 
> any malfunction it might have!
> 
> C. Im almost sure that if there are any problems with your box 
there 
> shoulndt be any problem for your shop to replace it with a working.
> When I bought My MP7 - Track mute button " 14 " wasent working very 
> well (in would respond sometimes and wont in others) - staright out 
> of The box and , it hasent disturbed neither my Technical 
> Satisfaction of this box Or The Karma That Followed..Until 1 time 
> when i Unintetionally turned the box off while saving without 
knowing 
> its backing up!
> 
> D. No Doubt this box cost a lot, i know!
> I is bought it here in Israel, The day it hit the store i usually 
buy 
> my Gear in (MUSIK SHOP). Since Ive had this box, its rocking my 
room 

> and i have been laying down the best tunes ive ever done in just a 
> couple of hours!
> 
> I is never planned on wanted to make music without involving a 
> computer.
> Tings Change ;)

ellmu wrote:
> 
> I\ufffdm very frustrated. Nearly everytime I power up something has
> changed or dissappeared. And I save all CORRECTLY!!! Yes, I save
> all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everytime when I\ufffdm powering up and nothing has
> changed I\ufffdm so relieved...
> I bought it to get away from the computer, but i can`t work with my
> XL-7. Its nearly impossible. I\ufffdm so frustrated... And EMU doesn`t
> work on a fix for that???????????????? That can`t be true...
> I\ufffdve bought it for nearly 3000 DM and can`t work with
> it...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> gerald
> 
>

Gerald I feel your frustration, but this should not be happening on a
normal functioning XL-7. It sounds like your internal flash memory
(sequencer storage) may be faulty. This is not a known software bug. Can
you please send me an E-Loader file of your pattern that is not saving properly.

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

If you're having that many problems, maybe something is wrong with your 
XL-7.  The only issues I've had are minor ones, but if you're having stuff 
lost everytime you power back on, sounds like either operator error 
(sorry!) or a bad unit.

rEalm



Thanks for your words.

->a) is there any gaer? I don`t think so. Perhaps the MPC but... I 
think the concept of the seq of the xl-7 is best for me...

->b) there is no problem with hardware, the OS is to buggy.

How can I see when the xl-7 is backing up,I haven`t seen this. Never.
I only see I star to remember me to save.

best wishes
gerald















-- In xl7@y..., "adamhertzano" <adamhertzano@y...> wrote:
> Oi Mon,..
> there is no need for frustrations unless u is ugly and know Girl in 
> this whole Univers wants u.. Aye?
> Let Us get tings straight:
> 
> You bought a brand New Command station like d rest of us groove 
> junkies. 
> 
> So...
> 
> A. Maybe you should try out something else if you find it too 
> troubling too deal with .
> 
> B. Did you buy you box in a shop?
> Take your box to the shop where u got it and show represent them 
with 
> any malfunction it might have!
> 
> C. Im almost sure that if there are any problems with your box 
there 
> shoulndt be any problem for your shop to replace it with a working.
> When I bought My MP7 - Track mute button " 14 " wasent working very 
> well (in would respond sometimes and wont in others) - staright out 
> of The box and , it hasent disturbed neither my Technical 
> Satisfaction of this box Or The Karma That Followed..Until 1 time 
> when i Unintetionally turned the box off while saving without 
knowing 
> its backing up!
> 
> D. No Doubt this box cost a lot, i know!
> I is bought it here in Israel, The day it hit the store i usually 
buy 
> my Gear in (MUSIK SHOP). Since Ive had this box, its rocking my 
room 
> and i have been laying down the best tunes ive ever done in just a 
> couple of hours!
> 
> I is never planned on wanted to make music without involving a 
> computer.
> Tings Change ;)



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hi,
I don`t loose my data everytime, I loose it perhaps 30-40% of my 
powering-ups. thats crazy. I don`t think I`m doing something wrong. I 
save my pattern and I save my presets, and sometimes they have 
changed or are gone... that sucks....
gerald





--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> If you're having that many problems, maybe something is wrong with 
your 
> XL-7.  The only issues I've had are minor ones, but if you're 
having stuff 
> lost everytime you power back on, sounds like either operator error 
> (sorry!) or a bad unit.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your words.
> 
> ->a) is there any gaer? I don`t think so. Perhaps the MPC but... I 
> think the concept of the seq of the xl-7 is best for me...
> 
> ->b) there is no problem with hardware, the OS is to buggy.
> 
> How can I see when the xl-7 is backing up,I haven`t seen this. 
Never.
> I only see I star to remember me to save.
> 
> best wishes
> gerald
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In xl7@y..., "adamhertzano" <adamhertzano@y...> wrote:
> > Oi Mon,..
> > there is no need for frustrations unless u is ugly and know Girl 
in 
> > this whole Univers wants u.. Aye?
> > Let Us get tings straight:
> > 
> > You bought a brand New Command station like d rest of us groove 
> > junkies. 
> > 
> > So...
> > 
> > A. Maybe you should try out something else if you find it too 
> > troubling too deal with .
> > 
> > B. Did you buy you box in a shop?
> > Take your box to the shop where u got it and show represent them 
> with 
> > any malfunction it might have!
> > 
> > C. Im almost sure that if there are any problems with your box 
> there 
> > shoulndt be any problem for your shop to replace it with a 
working.
> > When I bought My MP7 - Track mute button " 14 " wasent working 
very 
> > well (in would respond sometimes and wont in others) - staright 
out 
> > of The box and , it hasent disturbed neither my Technical 
> > Satisfaction of this box Or The Karma That Followed..Until 1 time 
> > when i Unintetionally turned the box off while saving without 
> knowing 
> > its backing up!
> > 
> > D. No Doubt this box cost a lot, i know!
> > I is bought it here in Israel, The day it hit the store i usually 
> buy 
> > my Gear in (MUSIK SHOP). Since Ive had this box, its rocking my 
> room 
> > and i have been laying down the best tunes ive ever done in just 
a 
> > couple of hours!
> > 
> > I is never planned on wanted to make music without involving a 
> > computer.
> > Tings Change ;)
> 
> 
> 
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