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Hello.  After suffering through some "what's happening with Emu" 
paranoia and a first PX-7 showing up with massive shipping damage, 
I've finally gotten one that works.  Not to belabor a point that you 
all know already, but this is one of the most amazing pieces of 
metal, plastic, chips, resistors, knobs, wires and embedded genius 
(and a healthy dose of musical voodoo, to boot) I have ever seen in 
my life (been on the planet for a while now)!  The more I work with 
it, the more saddened I am that this may be the end of the road for 
the xx-7s.  What a tragedy that the commercial marketplace appears to 
have claimed, for what ever reason, another superior piece of 
equipment. I guess, on the other hand, I am fortunate enough to have 
gotten one, and to be able to play with it. Absolutely phenomenal.  
Now, it's a matter of keeping it alive and learning to use it. 
 Which brings me to my first appeal for some help.
I'm pretty much a MIDI/sequencing/synthesis illiterate, so I've been 
struggling with Tracks, Channels, Events, Note-On, etc., etc., but it 
is SLOWLY starting to make some sense (I think?!?).  As opposed to 
the complex things (loops, arps, sysex) most of you appear to work 
with, I am wanting to write "linear" rhythm tracks to use with 
recorded song tracks.  My intention is using the PX-7 as the stand-
alone source of all the traditional percussion/rhythm stuff - which 
it looks like it will do in spades!  

1)  My current problem is that I can't get the Cut/Paste function to 
work.  I am following the instructions in the manual (which, 
interestingly came with pp. 133-148 missing!) for both the Pattern 
and Song Modes, but I can never get the Song to play past the 
original STOP command.  I've tried additionally doing a Song/Pattern 
SAVE (not mentioned in the manual, but the light continues to flash 
after pressing ENTER) but that doesn't change anything.  For 
learning, I just put 2 different patterns together as a "song" and 
first tried pasting the song to itself, just to double it.  Then, I 
tried to repeat just the last pattern, to slightly extend the song, 
which is pretty much what the illustration in the manual appears to 
do.  I've also tried to paste in the middle of the first pattern, and 
made sure to RTZ, but it will never play past the orignal two 
patterns and the STOP.   I tried to lengthen the SONG to make space 
for the paste (nothing in the manual about this; just a guess) but 
that didn't work either- if I did it right. I have seen what looks 
like "PASTING DONE" blow by quickly on a screen, but it never stays 
visible.    I'm stumped.

2) On pattern edits I've saved, after SAVE TO / ENTER  and 
OVERWRITE / ENTER, the SAVE / COPY button is still flashing, so I 
press it, get the SAVE to PATTERN screen again, and without selecting 
a destination, press the S/C button again, and the screen goes away.  
This seems to work OK but the manual, again, doesn't read like this.  
Is this normal?

3) I saw mention of a Tutorials and Tips file that was available on 
the Emu website, but I can't find it.  Does anyone know anything 
about the whereabouts of this?

Thanks for listening...and for any advice,

Ken

I don't know how much help I will be, but since I am still up I will 
try my hand at these.
1) Go to song mode and then go to step record and make sure the stop 
does not come after the second step if so remove the stop and 
resave. I have done cut and paste with patterns, but not songs. I 
use the step record to be able to alter track mutes and pattern 
length from step to step as required and have never thought of using 
cut and paste. Maybe I'll try sometime.
2)After saving you have to hit the s/c or pattern button again to 
return to the pattern screen. (for songs use the song button instead 
of pattern)Otherwise, you are still in the save menu and it is armed 
to save.
3)I do not know what to tell you about E-mus tuto and tips, but 
there is a helpful faq and a tips file downloadable in the files 
section located on the right side of the group page.

2) On pattern edits I've saved, after SAVE TO / ENTER  and OVERWRITE / 
ENTER, the SAVE / COPY button is still flashing, so I press it, get the 
SAVE to PATTERN screen again, and without selecting a destination, press 
the S/C button again, and the screen goes away.  This seems to work OK but 
the manual, again, doesn't read like this. 
Is this normal?

>>>Next time you see this happen, try pressing Preset under the main 
display and see if there's an " * " next to the Preset name.  This means 
you've edited the Current Preset and the Save button is reminding you to 
save it.  Are you using OS 2.0 as well?  <<<

3) I saw mention of a Tutorials and Tips file that was available on the 
Emu website, but I can't find it.  Does anyone know anything about the 
whereabouts of this?

>>>Here's the FAQ and Tips and Tricks I've done for the list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/     <<<

rEalm

 


 


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Well, after some more experimentation, in addition to my other 
Cut/Paste failures, I can't get the Combine Multiple Tracks into 
Single Multitrack function (p.91, PX-7 manual)to work either - this 
appearing to be a variation on the Cut/Paste theme.   When I try 
this, everything appears to be working as it should (as usual), 
complete with the destination track LED lit, but PLAY reveals no 
sound on that track, just like no apparent paste in my other 
attempts.  (I have set the destination track to MultiA.)   The ONLY 
thing I've gotten to work is one Cut/Paste attempt where I pasted one 
measure from one pattern into a completely different pattern.  I'm 
not sure whether to draw a conclusion yet that the problem is 
connected 
with cutting and pasting within the same Song/Pattern, or not --- or 
what that would mean if it were the case.   So, I'm MORE stumped --- 
and I do think I'm following the instructions.  I've tried this with 
RECORD on and off, but I didn't think it was necessary to have RECORD 
on for everything you SAVE.

I tried deleting the STOP from the Song, but that didn't work, so 
I've pretty much given up on the Song Mode for the time being and 
just started trying to get this to work with a Pattern. Thanks, 
though, "61" for the thought; seems like a reasonable possibility. 

2)
- >>>Next time you see this happen, try pressing Preset under the 
main 
> display and see if there's an " * " next to the Preset name.  This 
means 
> you've edited the Current Preset and the Save button is reminding 
you to 
> save it.  Are you using OS 2.0 as well?  <<<

When I'm trying to cut and paste I'm not doing anything to the 
Presets; I think this may be what dj61 said about just clearing the 
screen back to the Pattern/Song selection screen.  As I said, it 
seems to work OK like that; I just wasn't sure that's how it was  
supposed to be.  Plus I misstated that; actually the button isn't 
flashing, it's just ON, until it returns to the P/S screen, and is 
then OFF.  So that seems alright.

v. 2.0


3)I had already checked out the FAQs and Tips before I posted.  
Thanks, though, for putting those up.  Above and beyond the call of 
duty, and a great resource for everyone here.  Once I can get the 
Cut/Paste thing figured out (?), I'll be back there, diggin' around. 
Everytime I look through there something else makes a little more 
sense.

Still hoping someone may know what's happening with the Cut/Paste 
thang. 

"Is it love...or just confusion?"


Ken

 






-- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> 2) On pattern edits I've saved, after SAVE TO / ENTER  and 
OVERWRITE / 
> ENTER, the SAVE / COPY button is still flashing, so I press it, get 
the 
> SAVE to PATTERN screen again, and without selecting a destination, 
press 
> the S/C button again, and the screen goes away.  This seems to work 
OK but 
> the manual, again, doesn't read like this. 
> Is this normal?
> 
> >>>Next time you see this happen, try pressing Preset under the 
main 
> display and see if there's an " * " next to the Preset name.  This 
means 
> you've edited the Current Preset and the Save button is reminding 
you to 
> save it.  Are you using OS 2.0 as well?  <<<
> 
> 3) I saw mention of a Tutorials and Tips file that was available on 
the 
> Emu website, but I can't find it.  Does anyone know anything about 
the 

> whereabouts of this?
> 
> >>>Here's the FAQ and Tips and Tricks I've done for the list:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/     <<<
> 
> rEalm
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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Did you try to "Apply Clipboard Settings" after you did the paste?  If you 
just cut and paste the MIDI data to a new track, the XX-7 doesn't 
automatically copy the Preset from the source track, you have to do that 
manually.

rEalm



Well, after some more experimentation, in addition to my other 
Cut/Paste failures, I can't get the Combine Multiple Tracks into 
Single Multitrack function (p.91, PX-7 manual)to work either - this 
appearing to be a variation on the Cut/Paste theme.   When I try 
this, everything appears to be working as it should (as usual), 
complete with the destination track LED lit, but PLAY reveals no 
sound on that track, just like no apparent paste in my other 
attempts. 







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Yeah, I'd tried that, but in the process of stumbling around with 
this, I realized what the problem was with the "Combine Tracks" 
function.  The PX-7 manual says, on p. 90, "This function takes all 
selected tracks (selected by pressing the flashing mute keys [in 
italics in the text]), combines them...".  Being really unfamiliar 
with most of the concepts that the xx-7s are based on, AND TRUSTING 
THE MANUAL, I was following instructions and pressing the flashing 
mute keys.  Of course, this was actually DE-selecting the tracks, so, 
since I was intending to select all of the tracks, I was actually 
selecting NONE of them.  Voila, an activated multi-channel 
track "pasted" with no data. (I humbly accept the "green ass" award, 
for the moment.)  Now, looking back at the Song Cut and Paste 
instructions, I think those may not make any sense either, and it 
looks like they were created by some sloppy and/or erroneous - dare I 
say it - cutting and pasting.  
Anyway, thanks for thinking about my problem.  

Ken

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Did you try to "Apply Clipboard Settings" after you did the paste?  
If you 
> just cut and paste the MIDI data to a new track, the XX-7 doesn't 
> automatically copy the Preset from the source track, you have to do 
that 
> manually.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> Well, after some more experimentation, in addition to my other 
> Cut/Paste failures, I can't get the Combine Multiple Tracks into 
> Single Multitrack function (p.91, PX-7 manual)to work either - this 
> appearing to be a variation on the Cut/Paste theme.   When I try 
> this, everything appears to be working as it should (as usual), 
> complete with the destination track LED lit, but PLAY reveals no 
> sound on that track, just like no apparent paste in my other 
> attempts. 
> 
> 
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