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I tried to record midi sequences from cubase using realtime 
recording, but it doesnt sync
i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
does anybody know how to ....

Can´t you just do the live recording into cubase and then transfer it 
to your xx7 by using eloader?
:p

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "midinovelarg" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:

> I tried to record midi sequences from cubase using realtime 
> recording, but it doesnt sync
> i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
> does anybody know how to ....

What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an effect on 
what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...

rEalm





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i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
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I try to record> whatever!
I have some midi plugins, like slicy drummer,or step sequencer
meanwhile reproducing it sounds ok [if there is no midi track at the mp7 
sequencer active in the mix], to work with the hardware sequencer and the pc 
sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible,
of course to work in the studio it is no problem to use just the PC 
sequencer [by the way> to record into the pc works perfectly] but i try to 
record the sequences to be able to play live without PC...


>What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an effect on
>what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...

OK, good to know


>rEalm

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I could, but the channel asign changes... on the other hand, if i could work 
with the pc i just press record and stop. using eloader i have to export 
midi, close cubase, open e loader, loading midi to e loader, uploading 
midi...


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>Can\ufffdt you just do the live recording into cubase and then transfer it
>to your xx7 by using eloader?
>:p
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> > I tried to record midi sequences from cubase using realtime
> > recording, but it doesnt sync
> > i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
> > does anybody know how to ....
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Best bet then is to export the midi file from SX, and then use E-loader to 
put it into your MP-7.  That's far better anyway, you won't have to worry 
about all of the midi notes being late due to transission when they get 
into the MP-7 if you're recording in real-time.  LEt me know if you don't 
know how to do this.

rEalm





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01/08/2004 11:58 AM
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I try to record> whatever!
I have some midi plugins, like slicy drummer,or step sequencer
meanwhile reproducing it sounds ok [if there is no midi track at the mp7 
sequencer active in the mix], to work with the hardware sequencer and the 
pc 
sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible,
of course to work in the studio it is no problem to use just the PC 
sequencer [by the way> to record into the pc works perfectly] but i try to 

record the sequences to be able to play live without PC...


>What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an effect on
>what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...

OK, good to know


>rEalm

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"to work with the hardware sequencer and the pc 
sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible"

Yes this is tricky.One should be a "master" - it´s either one or the 
other for me.If im writing in cubase I see my xx7 as a multi mode 
sound module and if writing into my xx7 - well its my xx7!
Maybe its a rechannalize issue "found in the midi menu". Mine is set 
to *off* and always has been. I never experienced this problem.

If "live" recording into the pc is ok then do that. You can export 
your recorded tracks to a midi file then load them into your xx7 using 
eloader.Then there should n´t be any problem if you wish to do any 
"live" recording onto an existing or empty track when not connected to 
a pc. 
There must be something specific causing this problem....
good luck
:p







--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> I try to record> whatever!
> I have some midi plugins, like slicy drummer,or step sequencer
> meanwhile reproducing it sounds ok [if there is no midi track at the 
mp7 
> sequencer active in the mix], to work with the hardware sequencer 
and the pc 
> sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible,
> of course to work in the studio it is no problem to use just the PC 
> sequencer [by the way> to record into the pc works perfectly] but i 
try to 
> record the sequences to be able to play live without PC...
> 
> 
> >What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an 
effect on
> >what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...
> 
> OK, good to know
> 
> 
> >rEalm
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> >i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
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LOL
Hi rEalm - was that syncronicity or what?
1 minute
hehehe
:P



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Best bet then is to export the midi file from SX, and then use 
E-loader to 
> put it into your MP-7.  That's far better anyway, you won't have to 
worry 
> about all of the midi notes being late due to transission when they 
get 
> into the MP-7 if you're recording in real-time.  LEt me know if you 
don't 
> know how to do this.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...>
> 01/08/2004 11:58 AM
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> I try to record> whatever!
> I have some midi plugins, like slicy drummer,or step sequencer
> meanwhile reproducing it sounds ok [if there is no midi track at the 
mp7 
> sequencer active in the mix], to work with the hardware sequencer 
and the 
> pc 
> sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible,
> of course to work in the studio it is no problem to use just the PC 
> sequencer [by the way> to record into the pc works perfectly] but i 
try to 
> 
> record the sequences to be able to play live without PC...
> 
> 
> >What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an 
effect on
> >what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...
> 
> OK, good to know
> 
> 
> >rEalm
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> >i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
> >does anybody know how to ....
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LOL
Hi rEalm - was that syncronicity or what?
1 minute
hehehe
:P



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Best bet then is to export the midi file from SX, and then use 
E-loader to 
> put it into your MP-7.  That's far better anyway, you won't have to 
worry 
> about all of the midi notes being late due to transission when they 
get 
> into the MP-7 if you're recording in real-time.  LEt me know if you 
don't 
> know how to do this.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...>
> 01/08/2004 11:58 AM
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> I try to record> whatever!
> I have some midi plugins, like slicy drummer,or step sequencer
> meanwhile reproducing it sounds ok [if there is no midi track at the 
mp7 
> sequencer active in the mix], to work with the hardware sequencer 
and the 
> pc 
> sequencer at the same time seem to be impossible,
> of course to work in the studio it is no problem to use just the PC 
> sequencer [by the way> to record into the pc works perfectly] but i 
try to 
> 
> record the sequences to be able to play live without PC...
> 
> 
> >What exactly are you trying to record?  Sysex delay only has an 
effect on
> >what the XX-7 sends, not what it receives...
> 
> OK, good to know
> 
> 
> >rEalm
> 
> >
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> >         Subject:        [xl7] Live recording from PC sequencer
> >
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> >I tried to record midi sequences from cubase using realtime
> >recording, but it doesnt sync
> >i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
> >does anybody know how to ....
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>Maybe its a rechannalize issue "found in the midi menu". Mine is set
>to *off* and always has been. I never experienced this problem.


the sequences from cubase put midi in any channel without taking care of 
channel asignment,
lets say i used midi channels 1,3,8 and 9 in cubase, while uploading e 
loader assigns midi 1 to xx7 1, midi3 to xx7 2, midi 8 in xx7 3 and so on, 
the problem is, that i cant change the patches in the tracks 3, 8 and 9 wich 
are assigned in the xx7 tracks 2,3, and 4,

i check if the rechannalize issue fixes this problem
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Try exporting the MIDI file as a Type 1 MIDI File too.  Also, if you want 
to make sure that the tracks stay the same when you put them in the XX-7 
via E-Loader, put blank midi tracks in the Cubase project where 
appropriate.

For instance, if you're using tracks 1, 3, 8, and 9 in Cubase, make sure 
you insert blank tracks for 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7, set to the same numbered 
MIDI channels.  Then do the Export and all should be well.

rEalm






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>Maybe its a rechannalize issue "found in the midi menu". Mine is set
>to *off* and always has been. I never experienced this problem.


the sequences from cubase put midi in any channel without taking care of 
channel asignment,
lets say i used midi channels 1,3,8 and 9 in cubase, while uploading e 
loader assigns midi 1 to xx7 1, midi3 to xx7 2, midi 8 in xx7 3 and so on, 

the problem is, that i cant change the patches in the tracks 3, 8 and 9 
wich 
are assigned in the xx7 tracks 2,3, and 4,

i check if the rechannalize issue fixes this problem
thanx

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I think you´ll need to put some kind of dummy note into the "blank" 
tracks. Cubase dose not export the track if theres no info in a part 
on that track. So write a note in the part with the velocity set to 0.
The xx7 then shunts all tracks to the lowest posible but sees the 
cubase tracks as channels.

"the problem is, that i cant change the patches in the tracks 3, 8 and 
9 wich  are assigned in the xx7 tracks 2,3, and 4,"

So in your example the cubase track 8 becomes an xx7 track 3 with its 
channel assigned to 8.

The  xx7 seems to recognise cubase tracks as channels - not tracks!
v.confusing. So put those blanks in and workaround this problem.
I use a preconfigured default arrangement to start any new cubase 
patterns/songs.
:p
 


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> Try exporting the MIDI file as a Type 1 MIDI File too.  Also, if you 
want 
> to make sure that the tracks stay the same when you put them in the 
XX-7 
> via E-Loader, put blank midi tracks in the Cubase project where 
> appropriate.
> 
> For instance, if you're using tracks 1, 3, 8, and 9 in Cubase, make 
sure 
> you insert blank tracks for 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7, set to the same 
numbered 
> MIDI channels.  Then do the Export and all should be well.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>         Subject:        RE: [xl7] Re: Live recording from PC 
sequencer
> 
> 
> >Maybe its a rechannalize issue "found in the midi menu". Mine is 
set
> >to *off* and always has been. I never experienced this problem.
> 
> 
> the sequences from cubase put midi in any channel without taking 
care of 
> channel asignment,
> lets say i used midi channels 1,3,8 and 9 in cubase, while uploading 
e 
> loader assigns midi 1 to xx7 1, midi3 to xx7 2, midi 8 in xx7 3 and 
so on, 
> 
> the problem is, that i cant change the patches in the tracks 3, 8 
and 9 
> wich 
> are assigned in the xx7 tracks 2,3, and 4,
> 
> i check if the rechannalize issue fixes this problem
> thanx
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You don't have to close Cubase to use E-Loader BTW, I leave them both open 
all the time.  Much easier/quicker to throw things into the XX-7 and see 
if any changes need to be made.

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"Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@hotmail.com>
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I could, but the channel asign changes... on the other hand, if i could 
work 
with the pc i just press record and stop. using eloader i have to export 
midi, close cubase, open e loader, loading midi to e loader, uploading 
midi...


>From: "phest2k" <tuttle@linuxmail.org>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com


>Can´t you just do the live recording into cubase and then transfer it
>to your xx7 by using eloader?
>:p
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "midinovelarg" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> > I tried to record midi sequences from cubase using realtime
> > recording, but it doesnt sync
> > i tried it with sysex delay set to 0 - it doesnt work either,
> > does anybody know how to ....
>

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> You don't have to close Cubase to use E-Loader BTW, I leave them
> both open all the time.  Much easier/quicker to throw things into
> the XX-7 and see if any changes need to be made.
> 
> rEalm

Ditto for pre-Sonar Cakewalk and E-Loader on Windows98SE ==>depending 
on multimedia device setting (Control Panel)<==.

Also, if you have a second (backup/legacy) computer, you can have E-
Loader1.1 connected via USB (for storage of patterns, for example) on 
one, with a sequencer connected via midi on the other.

This is how I do it now, on only one PC.

rEalm







Also, if you have a second (backup/legacy) computer, you can have E-
Loader1.1 connected via USB (for storage of patterns, for example) on 
one, with a sequencer connected via midi on the other.


 


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>
>You don't have to close Cubase to use E-Loader BTW, I leave them both open
>all the time.  Much easier/quicker to throw things into the XX-7 and see
>if any changes need to be made.
>
>rEalm
>

my sb audigy works multiclient with audio,
but not with midi,
if cubase is open e loader cant open the midi port

Turby

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> my sb audigy works multiclient with audio, but not with midi,
> if cubase is open e loader cant open the midi port
> 
> Turby

This sounds like the problem I had initially with Cakewalk and E-
Loader (midi; at the same time; on the same computer).  I seem to 
recall resolving this in Win98SE by doing something with multimedia 
device settings in control panel. 

I don't recall the specifics, but it boiled down to not being to use 
more than either one midi in device or midi out device somewhere.  I 
could have 2 of one (not sure if it was midi in or out) but not the 
other (not sure if it was in or out).

Just a thought.

A cheap solution is to get a midisport 2x2. Since it is utilizing a 
USB port. It lets multiple items run. The bigger the midisport the 
more devices you can have talking to software. I am getting ready to 
move to a 8 x 8. Things should get real interesting, real fast. 

I have been able to have ProTools open along side E-Loader. If I use 
the midi port on the Digi 002 the port is only available to one 
program at a time as well.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> >
> >You don't have to close Cubase to use E-Loader BTW, I leave them 
both open
> >all the time.  Much easier/quicker to throw things into the XX-7 
and see

> >if any changes need to be made.
> >
> >rEalm
> >
> 
> my sb audigy works multiclient with audio,
> but not with midi,
> if cubase is open e loader cant open the midi port
> 
> Turby
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i think your right,
anyway i am tired to change the midi cables from Keyboard to pc, from kb to 
xx7, fromm xx7 to electribe, from electribe to pc....

>From: "Greg" <golerage@...>
>
>A cheap solution is to get a midisport 2x2. Since it is utilizing a
>USB port. It lets multiple items run. The bigger the midisport the
>more devices you can have talking to software. I am getting ready to
>move to a 8 x 8. Things should get real interesting, real fast.
>
>I have been able to have ProTools open along side E-Loader. If I use
>the midi port on the Digi 002 the port is only available to one
>program at a time as well.


> > my sb audigy works multiclient with audio,
> > but not with midi,
> > if cubase is open e loader cant open the midi port
> >
> > Turby

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Sorry, didn't realize you were using a SB card.

rEalm




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