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Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-15 by Marvin Jones

I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. 
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. 
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?

    Marvin

Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-15 by _5ht

I can't say for sure, but I think will drop a lot of hardware and go 
into software. I mean seriously, the things that they are good at 
(good sounds, good filters, samplers and sample-based synths with 
tons of modulation possibilities) can only be enhanced in the 
software arena. When I was talking to one of their reps (as a 
consumer) he hinted at this also. We'll see during winter NAMM.

I don't think we'll have to worry about Creative dropping future EMU 
products though; they'd be stupid to do that.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Jones" <marvina7@y...> wrote:
>   I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
> appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like 
zzounds. 
> I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping 
up,
> that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
> their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the 
month. 
> Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
> concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas 
on
> what's happening?
> 
>     Marvin

RE: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-15 by Andre Lewis

Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative will get any
real benefits from it.  More specifically they will lose out on the real
reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis.  They already have a
software team in house.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@...] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

  I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. 
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. 
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?

    Marvin



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Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-16 by robotchas

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "_5ht" <_5ht@y...> wrote:
> I can't say for sure, but I think will drop a lot of hardware and 
go 
> into software. I mean seriously, the things that they are good at 
> (good sounds, good filters, samplers and sample-based synths with 
> tons of modulation possibilities) can only be enhanced in the 
> software arena. 

They have some custom hardware too (the G chip, the H chip, whatever 
else), though I'm not sure what advantages they offer over just using 
DSPs.

Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-16 by portscan

think about ensoniq
what did it become?
sound card builders and drivers developpers......

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?


> Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative will get
any
> real benefits from it.  More specifically they will lose out on the real
> reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis.  They already have a
> software team in house.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
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>   I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
> appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds.
> I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
> that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
> their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month.
> Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
> concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas on
> what's happening?
>
>     Marvin
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Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-16 by Jacob Talkington

Sorry to say that the rumors are true - it's already damn near 
impossible for dealers to get PX-7s which just dropped in cost, and 
the ROM sale is a permanent thing. They're going tits-up.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Jones" <marvina7@y...> wrote:
>   I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
> appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like 
zzounds. 
> I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping 
up,
> that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
> their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the 
month. 
> Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
> concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas 
on
> what's happening?
> 
>     Marvin

Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-16 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right.  Emu's days as a hardware manufacturer 
are pretty much over, the PX-7 will be the last one is my guess.  Not 
really Emu's fault though, Creative pulls the strings over there and I 
know the Emu guys are probably just as upset about it as we are.  I read 
on the Sonic State forums that most of their Musical Instruments 
department was laid off earlier this year, they've just been hush hush 
about it.  Don't know if that's true, but my guess is it probably is.  All 
I can say is that we were VERY, VERY lucky to get OS 2.0, and everyone 
here has Aaron and Sean to thank for that.

ROMs?  Get 'em while you can, cause once they're gone... (BTW, the World 
Expeditions are already gone).

What's in store for the future?  My guess is more software like other 
people mentioned, I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in 
store.  Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they 
don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this.  Just speculation 
though.

rEalm






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12/15/2003 02:34 PM
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  I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. 
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. 
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?

    Marvin



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Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-16 by anomaly10@hotmail.com

World Expos are gone already? Egads, I'm glad I grabbed one 3 
weeks ago. Looks like there may be a use in my ripping the samples 
from it after all..

  Here's hopin.

/.e

Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-17 by [cYcLoThYmIqUe]

Arksun once said on the Trance.nu forums he had a friend at E-MU UK
division and that they were working on something new, some kind of 
an open-platform DSP powered computer sound-card, IIRC.

Even though it was an early development, the guy seemed impressed. 

http://www.arksun.co.uk 
(he did some voicing for E-MU synths - including some XL-7 patterns)

erik_magrini@... wrote:
> I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in store.  
> Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they
> don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this.
-- 
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Useless Invention: Reduced calorie water.

Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-18 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

E-mu has a UK division?

rEalm





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12/17/2003 04:36 PM
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Arksun once said on the Trance.nu forums he had a friend at E-MU UK
division and that they were working on something new, some kind of 
an open-platform DSP powered computer sound-card, IIRC.

Even though it was an early development, the guy seemed impressed. 

http://www.arksun.co.uk 
(he did some voicing for E-MU synths - including some XL-7 patterns)

erik_magrini@... wrote:
> I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in store. 
> Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they
> don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this.
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Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-18 by [cYcLoThYmIqUe]

Well, at least they used to. 

E-Mu Systems, Inc.
UK Office
Suite 6
Adam Ferguson House
Eskmills Industrial Park
Musselburgh
EH21 7PQ
44 131 653-6556

This is where my XL-7 - ordered in Germany - came from. :)

Can't find any trace of Arksun's message(s) on the Trance.nu site 
though. Duh. :(

erik_magrini@... wrote:
> E-mu has a UK division?
> 
> rEalm
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Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-19 by glennjamison

As a former rep for e-mu, all I can say is that I think they are in 
bad shape.  None of they're products seem to be selling at all.  They 
are dropping their pants on prices with new adjustments almost 
daily.  They are blowing a lot of stuff out right now and I think the 
end of E-mu is near unfortunately. Please E-mu, tell us I'm wrong.

Glenn

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "portscan" <guilt23@c...> wrote:
> think about ensoniq
> what did it become?
> sound card builders and drivers developpers......
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...>
> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
> 
> 
> > Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative 
will get
> any
> > real benefits from it.  More specifically they will lose out on 
the real
> > reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis.  They already 
have a
> > software team in house.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
> >
> >   I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
> > appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like 
zzounds.
> > I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping 
up,
> > that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards.  
Also,
> > their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the 
month.
> > Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
> > concentrate on software development.  Any one have any real ideas 
on
> > what's happening?
> >
> >     Marvin
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Re: Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?

2003-12-19 by allenscheer2003

They've pretty much assured us all that they are shifting their focus 
to some other type of products. I don't think they are going "tits up.

Their recent history, however (release new product, discontinue 
advertised options for that product) has me wary to buy anything from 
them, unless they make some really bold moves. I wouldn't put it past 
E-mu to accomplish exactly THAT.

It's a sad situation. I've bought/used E-mu products since the 
original Emulator. Their current seeming lack of direction is 
unsettling.

Perhaps a month from now (post NAMM) we'll all be singing a different 
toon.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "glennjamison" <glennjamison@h...> wrote:
> As a former rep for e-mu, all I can say is that I think they are in 
> bad shape.  None of they're products seem to be selling at all.  
They 
> are dropping their pants on prices with new adjustments almost 
> daily.  They are blowing a lot of stuff out right now and I think 
the 
> end of E-mu is near unfortunately. Please E-mu, tell us I'm wrong.
> 
> Glenn

shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-20 by Bruddah Max

allenscheer2003 wrote:

> They've pretty much assured us all that they are shifting their focus
> to some other type of products. I don't think they are going "tits up.
> 
> Their recent history, however (release new product, discontinue
> advertised options for that product) has me wary to buy anything from
> them, unless they make some really bold moves. I wouldn't put it past
> E-mu to accomplish exactly THAT.
> 
> It's a sad situation. I've bought/used E-mu products since the
> original Emulator. Their current seeming lack of direction is
> unsettling.
> 
> Perhaps a month from now (post NAMM) we'll all be singing a different
> toon.

i'm thinking they're going to shift over to software and soundcards (perhaps
a soundcard that acts as a DSP processor and anti-piracy lock for some nifty
software synths based on the P2K sounds? certainly in the realm of
possibility.

hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death - having everything
"inside the box" is so darn convenient for a great number of folks that the
lust for hardware gear is waning.

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

RE: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-20 by Matt Picone

> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death

I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever
going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. 

Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?

-m@

Re: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-20 by Bruddah Max

Matt Picone wrote:

>> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death
> 
> I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever
> going to completely overrun dedicated hardware.
> 
> Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?

i was really just trying to give a possible explanation of e-mu's sales
slowdown.

i think what we call "hardware" in the future is going to be like that
keyboard that was demoed recently that is a full on PC inside a keyboard
with controller panels that can be swapped out, a big ole VGA LCD screen and
VST plug-ins running inside a very stable host app on top of a custom GUI.

hell my XL-7 is basically a computer that plays back samples using custom
DSP chips, right?

i with you, though - i hope hardware survives. i'd like to see more along
the lines of Alesis's Andromeda - using new technology to do something old.
i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a
Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD, 32-channel
effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to
$1400 or so - that would be swell.

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-22 by BEKEN ONE

> i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a
> Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD,
32-channel
> effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to
> $1400 or so - that would be swell.

oh yes...i love my XL-7....i just wish its sampled, more sequencer
tracks and a dedicated bank select like in software sequencers

RE: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-22 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's respectful)

I agree with you.  It's very easy to go all software (been there, done 
that), but after awhile you do start to miss good old knobs and faders.  I 
think a combination of hardware and software that uses the benefits of 
both is the best way to go.

rEalm





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12/19/2003 08:57 PM
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> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death

I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever
going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. 

Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?

-m@


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Re: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-22 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Hehe, you and everyone else!  I'd even pay much more for this beast, if it 
was done right....

rEalm






i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a
Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD, 32-channel
effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to
$1400 or so - that would be swell.









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Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-22 by robotchas

I think the rise of the DSP synths (Virus and esp. the Nord Modular) 
is pointing in exactly this direction: a dedicated hardware interface 
for a reprogrammable synth engine, providing the best of both worlds. 
We're starting to see some "open" platforms, like the Chameleon; I 
think these make more sense than the PC-with-knobs-on approach in 
spite of the latter's instant compatibility advantage. Windows, no 
matter how tweaked, is never going to be a match for an embedded, 
synthesis-specific OS.

Roland should open up the VariOS to third-party developers, and 
someone really needs to do a full-on tabletop DSP platform with a 
good set of controls and the ability to load VST plugins, etc. One 
tricky thing will be the multi-purpose interface...it's easy to 
assume there'll always be at least a filter cutoff knob, but what 
about more esoteric functions? How do you have dedicated knobs *and* 
a flexible interface? Lots of LCDs, maybe, or a super touchscreen 
display.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's respectful)
> 
> I agree with you.  It's very easy to go all software (been there, 
done 
> that), but after awhile you do start to miss good old knobs and 
faders.  I 
> think a combination of hardware and software that uses the benefits 
of 
> both is the best way to go.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> "Matt Picone" <matman@m...>
> 12/19/2003 08:57 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        RE: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the 
left?
> 
> 
> > hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death
> 
> I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever
> going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. 
> 
> Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?
> 
> -m@

RE: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-22 by Matt Picone

> I think the rise of the DSP synths (Virus and esp. the Nord Modular) 
> is pointing in exactly this direction: a dedicated hardware interface 
> for a reprogrammable synth engine, providing the best of both worlds. 
> We're starting to see some "open" platforms, like the Chameleon; I 
> think these make more sense than the PC-with-knobs-on approach in 
> spite of the latter's instant compatibility advantage. Windows, no 
> matter how tweaked, is never going to be a match for an embedded, 
> synthesis-specific OS.
> 
> Roland should open up the VariOS to third-party developers, and 
> someone really needs to do a full-on tabletop DSP platform with a 
> good set of controls and the ability to load VST plugins, etc. One 
> tricky thing will be the multi-purpose interface...it's easy to 
> assume there'll always be at least a filter cutoff knob, but what 
> about more esoteric functions? How do you have dedicated knobs *and* 
> a flexible interface? Lots of LCDs, maybe, or a super touchscreen 
> display.


We've discussed this topic considerably at the ampfea.org music bar.
(I'm cross posting this to that list now to re-evoke the subject). 

I agree completely with everything you've said. What would you think is
important in a universal interface?

-m@

RE: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-23 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I don't think it's really going to be too hard to decide on that controls 
should be, the hard part is going to be making everyone agree to them.  I 
mean, take a look at any synth today, and more or less they all have the 
same controls with only a couple of oddballs.  I think a bank of 36 knobs 
and 8 quality faders would sort you out for almost all synths.

rEalm




We've discussed this topic considerably at the ampfea.org music bar.
(I'm cross posting this to that list now to re-evoke the subject). 

I agree completely with everything you've said. What would you think is
important in a universal interface?

-m@


 







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RE: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-25 by mark sottilaro

I agree.  Call me old school, but dedicated hardware
is so the way to go.  Why?  People are still using
Roland Juno 106's from 1984.  Who's still using
software from that year?  Also, when I bought my Korg
D8000, it was true unto itself.  I had to learn to
love it for its limits.  Those limits are where the
magic happens.  The place where artist (musician) and
craftsman (synth designer) meld.  With software
they're ALWAYS trying to get you to UPGRADE to the
newest version.  The result is you *NEVER* have a
chance to get intimate with your tool because it's
always changing.  Do a search on "Brian Eno" and
you'll surely find his elequent rant on this topic.

Also, I shelled out $300 for a set of Audioease MAS
plug-ins a few years ago and they've done something
that's worse than offering endless upgrades: not
updating ever.  The computer I had when I purchased
them died and I ended up with an OSX box.  I love the
new OS, but now I have a $300 coaster.  On their site
it says, "We have working OSX versions but will not be
releasing them any time soon."  Nice.  It's been years
since OSX came out.  The Lexicon MPX 1 I purchased
around the same time is still faithfully chugging away
in my rack and it doesn't seem to care if the world
around it changes much.  Pure software is much more
tempermental. </rant>

Mark Sottilaro

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's
> respectful)
> 
> I agree with you.  It's very easy to go all software
> (been there, done 
> that), but after awhile you do start to miss good
> old knobs and faders.  I 
> think a combination of hardware and software that
> uses the benefits of 
> both is the best way to go.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
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> "Matt Picone" <matman@...>
> 12/19/2003 08:57 PM
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> back and to the left?
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> > hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure
> death
> 
> I don't think so at all. As much as I love software,
> it's never ever
> going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. 
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> Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?
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RE: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-26 by Soren

I totally agree.  Long live HARDWARE!

I mean, we can DREAM..  ;-)

-Soren.

>Subject: RE: shifting focus... back and to the left?
>
>I agree.  Call me old school, but dedicated hardware
>is so the way to go.  Why?  People are still using
>Roland Juno 106's from 1984.  Who's still using
>software from that year?  Also, when I bought my Korg
>D8000, it was true unto itself.  I had to learn to
>love it for its limits.  Those limits are where the
>magic happens.  The place where artist (musician) and
>craftsman (synth designer) meld.  With software
>they're ALWAYS trying to get you to UPGRADE to the
>newest version.  The result is you *NEVER* have a
>chance to get intimate with your tool because it's
>always changing.  Do a search on "Brian Eno" and
>you'll surely find his elequent rant on this topic.
>
>Also, I shelled out $300 for a set of Audioease MAS
>plug-ins a few years ago and they've done something
>that's worse than offering endless upgrades: not
>updating ever.  The computer I had when I purchased
>them died and I ended up with an OSX box.  I love the
>new OS, but now I have a $300 coaster.  On their site
>it says, "We have working OSX versions but will not be
>releasing them any time soon."  Nice.  It's been years
>since OSX came out.  The Lexicon MPX 1 I purchased
>around the same time is still faithfully chugging away
>in my rack and it doesn't seem to care if the world
>around it changes much.  Pure software is much more
>tempermental. </rant>
>
>Mark Sottilaro

Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com

Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-26 by rabidmusic

I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited 
extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can 
pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to 
replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS 
upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to 
watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the 
edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or 
Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for 
$250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a 
Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that 
place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24 
tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look 
for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software 
has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know 
when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess 
software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be 
spending $3000 for a ROMpler again.

Robert

Re: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-26 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk

If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull machine, at least 3 grand for everything.You can get an e-mu EOS sampler with all the upgrades and I think that could replace computer easilly for a lot  less money.In the performance department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a different story.
 
Its deffinetely good for mastering but to be in the creative procces of the whole song it takes way too much time and thinking to get in the way of getting something to life.
 
When it comes to playing live, well, i don't even need to go there.
 
 
SW is just  emulation of HW

rabidmusic <rabidmusic@...> wrote:
I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited 
extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can 
pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to 
replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS 
upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to 
watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the 
edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or 
Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for 
$250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a 
Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that 
place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24 
tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look 
for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software 
has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know 
when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess 
software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be 
spending $3000 for a ROMpler again.

Robert



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Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by realm619

Ah yeah, there's nothing quite as much fun as setting up keymapping 
and complex multi-sampled instruments in hardware sampler.  Loads 
and loads of fun, hours and hours of it (hiccup), days and days of 
looking at a little LCD screen (hiccup).  :)

Uh oh, I think I had too much wine...

Kontakt (burp), much better, even without lots of MB's and hrtz 
(hiccup AND burp).

Ok, off to go play live at a party (woo hoo), have fun everyone...

rEalm
(I can run 128 plugins and 15 tracks)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, khjkkkkk khjkhjk <extra_mayo79@y...> 
wrote:
> If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull 
machine, at least 3 grand for everything.In the performance 
department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks 
with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has 
a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a 
different story.

Re: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk

I played with contact and I find it much faster to work with little lcd screen...i guess it all depends on a person.Some people don't like video games..I never did.Maybe tetris and there is another one; Its called space chanel 5 on dreamcast.

realm619 <erik_magrini@...> wrote:Ah yeah, there's nothing quite as much fun as setting up keymapping 
and complex multi-sampled instruments in hardware sampler.  Loads 
and loads of fun, hours and hours of it (hiccup), days and days of 
looking at a little LCD screen (hiccup).  :)

Uh oh, I think I had too much wine...

Kontakt (burp), much better, even without lots of MB's and hrtz 
(hiccup AND burp).

Ok, off to go play live at a party (woo hoo), have fun everyone...

rEalm
(I can run 128 plugins and 15 tracks)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, khjkkkkk khjkhjk <extra_mayo79@y...> 
wrote:
> If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull 
machine, at least 3 grand for everything.In the performance 
department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks 
with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has 
a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a 
different story.




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Re: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by Bruddah Max

rabidmusic wrote:

> I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited
> extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can
> pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to
> replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS
> upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to
> watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the
> edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or
> Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for
> $250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a
> Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that
> place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24
> tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look
> for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software
> has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know
> when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess
> software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be
> spending $3000 for a ROMpler again.

ironically, my intention initially was to explain why companies seem to be
going to software, but i agree with your point. i myself like hardware
better. the less interaction with a computer i have, the better my music
seems to flow. i think there is a very visceral sense with hardware that
can't really be duplicated by software and a little mini control keyboard
with multifunction knobs.

Reason was an excellent purchase, but it often seems TOO flexible, in that
there are just so darn many ways to do things that getting started with an
idea can be more difficult.

i tend to pick simple hardware - stuff i can grok in less than 30 minutes.
i'm a big fan of actually trying out stuff in a music store before buying
online or what have you - how do i interact with the physical machine? does
it like me? do i like it? these are important questions. trying out software
in a similar manner is only possible when the "demo" of the software (or for
you swashbucklers, the aye-matey versions) is functionally complete and
works for at least 30 minutes without bugging the crapola out of the user -
nigh upon impossible to find demos such as this.

i think it all boils down to:  know your gear. i've heard better things
coming out of rEalm's XL-7 and Roland loop sampler than 90% of the stuff i
see that is accompanied by two roomfuls of multiracked MIDIfests. Richie
Hawtin milks a TB-303 for all it is worth. a TR-606 and a Juno 106 were
enough for some folks to make a whole album of amazing stuff. these folks
know their gear and work within its limitations. they know what it can do
and what cannot be done, and with the boundaries set they can then explore
within that confined and navigable space. computers with their endless
plugins are an expanding universe of possibility, but that comes at the cost
of unfamiliarity. too much flexibility.

i have three synths (just sold my fourth, actually) and run Digital
Performer in Mac OS 9, with three groups of plugins that were reasonably
priced, and three virtual instruments, all of the single-instance retro
recreation variety. i doubt i will get anything new in the next year or two
- already i am overwhelmed by the sheer possibilities with what i already
have.

ok, somewhere in that ramble is an idea - not sure where it is, though. :D
-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by faxorgy

Interesting debate this .
Oddly enough I've been ALL hardware since 89 ' :O .
Basically I'm keeping my EleVata fed through Valve mic pre's and my 
Fully Loaded MP-7 and ditchinh the lot bar my Yamaha AW-Hardware DAW.
I'll be running Reason 2.5 ,Ableton Live 3.01 ,Reaktor Session on an 
AMD3000+ w/3 gig ram ,sound card + plugins and using the AW as a 
digital mixer w/effects,dynamics processors,eq's,effects and digital 
I/O for the sound card.
The only other hardware I'm keeping is my Emu EII+Hd.
The rest mixers ,effects,racks ,synth modules and 3 keyboards I'll 
be very happy to see the back of.
By by RS7000 *hacks&coughs* ;) - The XX-7's have much better swing 
shuffle and groove feel to them anyway :D.
So I'm sitting somewhere in the mid-field on this one.

RE: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk

I sead its a lot easier for me, not for you, so it wouldn't make any sense.

Matt Picone <matman@...> wrote:> I played with contact and I find it much faster to work with 
> little lcd screen...

I challenge you to a public race.

-m@


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Re: [xl7] Re: shifting focus... back and to the left?

2003-12-27 by Bruddah Max

faxorgy wrote:

> The only other hardware I'm keeping is my Emu EII+Hd.

you, good sir, are wise indeed. i had an Emax SE/HD i wish i had kept, but i
was ignorant at the time...
-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance