Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
2003-12-15 by Marvin Jones
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2003-12-15 by Marvin Jones
I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds.
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month.
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?
Marvin2003-12-15 by _5ht
I can't say for sure, but I think will drop a lot of hardware and go into software. I mean seriously, the things that they are good at (good sounds, good filters, samplers and sample-based synths with tons of modulation possibilities) can only be enhanced in the software arena. When I was talking to one of their reps (as a consumer) he hinted at this also. We'll see during winter NAMM. I don't think we'll have to worry about Creative dropping future EMU products though; they'd be stupid to do that. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Jones" <marvina7@y...> wrote: > I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119) > appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. > I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up, > that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also, > their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. > Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to > concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on > what's happening? > > Marvin
2003-12-15 by Andre Lewis
Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative will get any
real benefits from it. More specifically they will lose out on the real
reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis. They already have a
software team in house.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@...]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds.
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month.
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?
Marvin
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "_5ht" <_5ht@y...> wrote: > I can't say for sure, but I think will drop a lot of hardware and go > into software. I mean seriously, the things that they are good at > (good sounds, good filters, samplers and sample-based synths with > tons of modulation possibilities) can only be enhanced in the > software arena. They have some custom hardware too (the G chip, the H chip, whatever else), though I'm not sure what advantages they offer over just using DSPs.
2003-12-16 by portscan
think about ensoniq what did it become? sound card builders and drivers developpers...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Lewis" <andrel@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: RE: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU? > Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative will get any > real benefits from it. More specifically they will lose out on the real > reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis. They already have a > software team in house. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@...] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU? > > I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119) > appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. > I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up, > that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also, > their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. > Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to > concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on > what's happening? > > Marvin > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2003-12-16 by Jacob Talkington
Sorry to say that the rumors are true - it's already damn near impossible for dealers to get PX-7s which just dropped in cost, and the ROM sale is a permanent thing. They're going tits-up. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Jones" <marvina7@y...> wrote: > I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119) > appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. > I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up, > that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also, > their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. > Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to > concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on > what's happening? > > Marvin
2003-12-16 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. Emu's days as a hardware manufacturer
are pretty much over, the PX-7 will be the last one is my guess. Not
really Emu's fault though, Creative pulls the strings over there and I
know the Emu guys are probably just as upset about it as we are. I read
on the Sonic State forums that most of their Musical Instruments
department was laid off earlier this year, they've just been hush hush
about it. Don't know if that's true, but my guess is it probably is. All
I can say is that we were VERY, VERY lucky to get OS 2.0, and everyone
here has Aaron and Sean to thank for that.
ROMs? Get 'em while you can, cause once they're gone... (BTW, the World
Expeditions are already gone).
What's in store for the future? My guess is more software like other
people mentioned, I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in
store. Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they
don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this. Just speculation
though.
rEalm
"Marvin Jones" <marvina7@...>
12/15/2003 02:34 PM
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Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119)
appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds.
I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up,
that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also,
their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month.
Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to
concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on
what's happening?
Marvin
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-12-16 by anomaly10@hotmail.com
World Expos are gone already? Egads, I'm glad I grabbed one 3 weeks ago. Looks like there may be a use in my ripping the samples from it after all.. Here's hopin. /.e
2003-12-17 by [cYcLoThYmIqUe]
Arksun once said on the Trance.nu forums he had a friend at E-MU UK division and that they were working on something new, some kind of an open-platform DSP powered computer sound-card, IIRC. Even though it was an early development, the guy seemed impressed. http://www.arksun.co.uk (he did some voicing for E-MU synths - including some XL-7 patterns) erik_magrini@... wrote: > I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in store. > Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they > don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this. -- Sebastien, -=-=-=-=-= Useless Invention: Reduced calorie water.
2003-12-18 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
E-mu has a UK division?
rEalm
"[cYcLoThYmIqUe]" <poumtschak@...>
12/17/2003 04:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU?
Arksun once said on the Trance.nu forums he had a friend at E-MU UK
division and that they were working on something new, some kind of
an open-platform DSP powered computer sound-card, IIRC.
Even though it was an early development, the guy seemed impressed.
http://www.arksun.co.uk
(he did some voicing for E-MU synths - including some XL-7 patterns)
erik_magrini@... wrote:
> I know Winter Namm should have some nice surprises in store.
> Given the state of modern day piracy, my only hope is that they
> don't tie the software into a SB card to prevent this.
--
Sebastien,
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-12-18 by [cYcLoThYmIqUe]
Well, at least they used to. E-Mu Systems, Inc. UK Office Suite 6 Adam Ferguson House Eskmills Industrial Park Musselburgh EH21 7PQ 44 131 653-6556 This is where my XL-7 - ordered in Germany - came from. :) Can't find any trace of Arksun's message(s) on the Trance.nu site though. Duh. :( erik_magrini@... wrote: > E-mu has a UK division? > > rEalm -- Sebastien, -=-=-=-=-= Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
2003-12-19 by glennjamison
As a former rep for e-mu, all I can say is that I think they are in bad shape. None of they're products seem to be selling at all. They are dropping their pants on prices with new adjustments almost daily. They are blowing a lot of stuff out right now and I think the end of E-mu is near unfortunately. Please E-mu, tell us I'm wrong. Glenn --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "portscan" <guilt23@c...> wrote: > think about ensoniq > what did it become? > sound card builders and drivers developpers...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> > To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:13 PM > Subject: RE: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU? > > > > Well that would certainly be a shame, and I doubt that Creative will get > any > > real benefits from it. More specifically they will lose out on the real > > reason they bought Emu, their hardware synthesis. They already have a > > software team in house. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marvin Jones [mailto:marvina7@y...] > > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:34 PM > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [xl7] Does anyone know what's going on at EMU? > > > > I'm beginning to see the dreaded model number (ex. model 9119) > > appearing next to a number of EMU devices on websites like zzounds. > > I've noticed over the years that once these numbers start popping up, > > that particular product is discontinued not long afterwards. Also, > > their sound rom colections seems to be getting smaller by the month. > > Rumour has it Creative is phasing out most of the EMU hardware to > > concentrate on software development. Any one have any real ideas on > > what's happening? > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >
2003-12-19 by allenscheer2003
They've pretty much assured us all that they are shifting their focus to some other type of products. I don't think they are going "tits up. Their recent history, however (release new product, discontinue advertised options for that product) has me wary to buy anything from them, unless they make some really bold moves. I wouldn't put it past E-mu to accomplish exactly THAT. It's a sad situation. I've bought/used E-mu products since the original Emulator. Their current seeming lack of direction is unsettling. Perhaps a month from now (post NAMM) we'll all be singing a different toon. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "glennjamison" <glennjamison@h...> wrote: > As a former rep for e-mu, all I can say is that I think they are in > bad shape. None of they're products seem to be selling at all. They > are dropping their pants on prices with new adjustments almost > daily. They are blowing a lot of stuff out right now and I think the > end of E-mu is near unfortunately. Please E-mu, tell us I'm wrong. > > Glenn
2003-12-20 by Bruddah Max
allenscheer2003 wrote: > They've pretty much assured us all that they are shifting their focus > to some other type of products. I don't think they are going "tits up. > > Their recent history, however (release new product, discontinue > advertised options for that product) has me wary to buy anything from > them, unless they make some really bold moves. I wouldn't put it past > E-mu to accomplish exactly THAT. > > It's a sad situation. I've bought/used E-mu products since the > original Emulator. Their current seeming lack of direction is > unsettling. > > Perhaps a month from now (post NAMM) we'll all be singing a different > toon. i'm thinking they're going to shift over to software and soundcards (perhaps a soundcard that acts as a DSP processor and anti-piracy lock for some nifty software synths based on the P2K sounds? certainly in the realm of possibility. hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death - having everything "inside the box" is so darn convenient for a great number of folks that the lust for hardware gear is waning. -- Bruddah Max Lord of the Dance
2003-12-20 by Matt Picone
> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. Is this th right forum to get into this discussion? -m@
2003-12-20 by Bruddah Max
Matt Picone wrote: >> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death > > I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever > going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. > > Is this th right forum to get into this discussion? i was really just trying to give a possible explanation of e-mu's sales slowdown. i think what we call "hardware" in the future is going to be like that keyboard that was demoed recently that is a full on PC inside a keyboard with controller panels that can be swapped out, a big ole VGA LCD screen and VST plug-ins running inside a very stable host app on top of a custom GUI. hell my XL-7 is basically a computer that plays back samples using custom DSP chips, right? i with you, though - i hope hardware survives. i'd like to see more along the lines of Alesis's Andromeda - using new technology to do something old. i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD, 32-channel effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to $1400 or so - that would be swell. -- Bruddah Max Lord of the Dance
2003-12-22 by BEKEN ONE
> i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a > Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD, 32-channel > effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to > $1400 or so - that would be swell. oh yes...i love my XL-7....i just wish its sampled, more sequencer tracks and a dedicated bank select like in software sequencers
2003-12-22 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's respectful)
I agree with you. It's very easy to go all software (been there, done
that), but after awhile you do start to miss good old knobs and faders. I
think a combination of hardware and software that uses the benefits of
both is the best way to go.
rEalm
"Matt Picone" <matman@...>
12/19/2003 08:57 PM
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> hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death
I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever
going to completely overrun dedicated hardware.
Is this th right forum to get into this discussion?
-m@
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-12-22 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Hehe, you and everyone else! I'd even pay much more for this beast, if it was done right.... rEalm i'd really like to see E-mu do something along the lines of combining a Command Station with an Emulator - sampling, a nice large LCD, 32-channel effects, etc. a "Super Command Station" if you will, at around $1200 to $1400 or so - that would be swell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-22 by robotchas
I think the rise of the DSP synths (Virus and esp. the Nord Modular) is pointing in exactly this direction: a dedicated hardware interface for a reprogrammable synth engine, providing the best of both worlds. We're starting to see some "open" platforms, like the Chameleon; I think these make more sense than the PC-with-knobs-on approach in spite of the latter's instant compatibility advantage. Windows, no matter how tweaked, is never going to be a match for an embedded, synthesis-specific OS. Roland should open up the VariOS to third-party developers, and someone really needs to do a full-on tabletop DSP platform with a good set of controls and the ability to load VST plugins, etc. One tricky thing will be the multi-purpose interface...it's easy to assume there'll always be at least a filter cutoff knob, but what about more esoteric functions? How do you have dedicated knobs *and* a flexible interface? Lots of LCDs, maybe, or a super touchscreen display. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's respectful) > > I agree with you. It's very easy to go all software (been there, done > that), but after awhile you do start to miss good old knobs and faders. I > think a combination of hardware and software that uses the benefits of > both is the best way to go. > > rEalm > > "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> > 12/19/2003 08:57 PM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [xl7] shifting focus... back and to the left? > > > > hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure death > > I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, it's never ever > going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. > > Is this th right forum to get into this discussion? > > -m@
2003-12-22 by Matt Picone
> I think the rise of the DSP synths (Virus and esp. the Nord Modular) > is pointing in exactly this direction: a dedicated hardware interface > for a reprogrammable synth engine, providing the best of both worlds. > We're starting to see some "open" platforms, like the Chameleon; I > think these make more sense than the PC-with-knobs-on approach in > spite of the latter's instant compatibility advantage. Windows, no > matter how tweaked, is never going to be a match for an embedded, > synthesis-specific OS. > > Roland should open up the VariOS to third-party developers, and > someone really needs to do a full-on tabletop DSP platform with a > good set of controls and the ability to load VST plugins, etc. One > tricky thing will be the multi-purpose interface...it's easy to > assume there'll always be at least a filter cutoff knob, but what > about more esoteric functions? How do you have dedicated knobs *and* > a flexible interface? Lots of LCDs, maybe, or a super touchscreen > display. We've discussed this topic considerably at the ampfea.org music bar. (I'm cross posting this to that list now to re-evoke the subject). I agree completely with everything you've said. What would you think is important in a universal interface? -m@
2003-12-23 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
I don't think it's really going to be too hard to decide on that controls should be, the hard part is going to be making everyone agree to them. I mean, take a look at any synth today, and more or less they all have the same controls with only a couple of oddballs. I think a bank of 36 knobs and 8 quality faders would sort you out for almost all synths. rEalm We've discussed this topic considerably at the ampfea.org music bar. (I'm cross posting this to that list now to re-evoke the subject). I agree completely with everything you've said. What would you think is important in a universal interface? -m@ The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-25 by mark sottilaro
I agree. Call me old school, but dedicated hardware is so the way to go. Why? People are still using Roland Juno 106's from 1984. Who's still using software from that year? Also, when I bought my Korg D8000, it was true unto itself. I had to learn to love it for its limits. Those limits are where the magic happens. The place where artist (musician) and craftsman (synth designer) meld. With software they're ALWAYS trying to get you to UPGRADE to the newest version. The result is you *NEVER* have a chance to get intimate with your tool because it's always changing. Do a search on "Brian Eno" and you'll surely find his elequent rant on this topic. Also, I shelled out $300 for a set of Audioease MAS plug-ins a few years ago and they've done something that's worse than offering endless upgrades: not updating ever. The computer I had when I purchased them died and I ended up with an OSX box. I love the new OS, but now I have a $300 coaster. On their site it says, "We have working OSX versions but will not be releasing them any time soon." Nice. It's been years since OSX came out. The Lexicon MPX 1 I purchased around the same time is still faithfully chugging away in my rack and it doesn't seem to care if the world around it changes much. Pure software is much more tempermental. </rant> Mark Sottilaro --- erik_magrini@... wrote: > Sure, anything goes here (as long as it's > respectful) > > I agree with you. It's very easy to go all software > (been there, done > that), but after awhile you do start to miss good > old knobs and faders. I > think a combination of hardware and software that > uses the benefits of > both is the best way to go. > > rEalm > > > > > > "Matt Picone" <matman@...> > 12/19/2003 08:57 PM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [xl7] shifting focus... > back and to the left? > > > > hardware itself seems to be dying a slow but sure > death > > I don't think so at all. As much as I love software, > it's never ever > going to completely overrun dedicated hardware. > > Is this th right forum to get into this discussion? > > -m@ > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >
2003-12-26 by Soren
I totally agree. Long live HARDWARE! I mean, we can DREAM.. ;-) -Soren. >Subject: RE: shifting focus... back and to the left? > >I agree. Call me old school, but dedicated hardware >is so the way to go. Why? People are still using >Roland Juno 106's from 1984. Who's still using >software from that year? Also, when I bought my Korg >D8000, it was true unto itself. I had to learn to >love it for its limits. Those limits are where the >magic happens. The place where artist (musician) and >craftsman (synth designer) meld. With software >they're ALWAYS trying to get you to UPGRADE to the >newest version. The result is you *NEVER* have a >chance to get intimate with your tool because it's >always changing. Do a search on "Brian Eno" and >you'll surely find his elequent rant on this topic. > >Also, I shelled out $300 for a set of Audioease MAS >plug-ins a few years ago and they've done something >that's worse than offering endless upgrades: not >updating ever. The computer I had when I purchased >them died and I ended up with an OSX box. I love the >new OS, but now I have a $300 coaster. On their site >it says, "We have working OSX versions but will not be >releasing them any time soon." Nice. It's been years >since OSX came out. The Lexicon MPX 1 I purchased >around the same time is still faithfully chugging away >in my rack and it doesn't seem to care if the world >around it changes much. Pure software is much more >tempermental. </rant> > >Mark Sottilaro Forbidden Songs For Fallen Souls @ www.ForbiddenSongs.com
2003-12-26 by rabidmusic
I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for $250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24 tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be spending $3000 for a ROMpler again. Robert
2003-12-26 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk
If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull machine, at least 3 grand for everything.You can get an e-mu EOS sampler with all the upgrades and I think that could replace computer easilly for a lot less money.In the performance department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a different story. Its deffinetely good for mastering but to be in the creative procces of the whole song it takes way too much time and thinking to get in the way of getting something to life. When it comes to playing live, well, i don't even need to go there. SW is just emulation of HW rabidmusic <rabidmusic@...> wrote: I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for $250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24 tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be spending $3000 for a ROMpler again. Robert --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-27 by realm619
Ah yeah, there's nothing quite as much fun as setting up keymapping and complex multi-sampled instruments in hardware sampler. Loads and loads of fun, hours and hours of it (hiccup), days and days of looking at a little LCD screen (hiccup). :) Uh oh, I think I had too much wine... Kontakt (burp), much better, even without lots of MB's and hrtz (hiccup AND burp). Ok, off to go play live at a party (woo hoo), have fun everyone... rEalm (I can run 128 plugins and 15 tracks) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, khjkkkkk khjkhjk <extra_mayo79@y...> wrote: > If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull machine, at least 3 grand for everything.In the performance department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a different story.
2003-12-27 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk
I played with contact and I find it much faster to work with little lcd screen...i guess it all depends on a person.Some people don't like video games..I never did.Maybe tetris and there is another one; Its called space chanel 5 on dreamcast. realm619 <erik_magrini@...> wrote:Ah yeah, there's nothing quite as much fun as setting up keymapping and complex multi-sampled instruments in hardware sampler. Loads and loads of fun, hours and hours of it (hiccup), days and days of looking at a little LCD screen (hiccup). :) Uh oh, I think I had too much wine... Kontakt (burp), much better, even without lots of MB's and hrtz (hiccup AND burp). Ok, off to go play live at a party (woo hoo), have fun everyone... rEalm (I can run 128 plugins and 15 tracks) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, khjkkkkk khjkhjk <extra_mayo79@y...> wrote: > If you wanna do everything on SW you will need a damn powerfull machine, at least 3 grand for everything.In the performance department comp would still be far behind.Try playing 128 tracks with 15 plugins on the computer and watch it explode even if it has a lot of MB's and hrtz.On the other hand, a sampler, thats a different story. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-27 by Bruddah Max
rabidmusic wrote: > I see a lot of people shifting back towards hardware to a limited > extent. You can pay $200 for a used Roland MKS-70 or D550, or you can > pay $100 for a piece of software that tries unsuccessfully to > replicate these units and may or may not work after the next OS > upgrade. I have a full software setup, but I get tired of having to > watch the CPU meter. A single complex patch can bring my P4 to the > edge of failure. I don't have that problem with my Command Station or > Nord Modular. That is why I choose to buy a used Wavestation SR for > $250 instead of spending $200 on software that sounds like a > Wavestation. Software does still have a place in my heart, but that > place has changed. No longer do I expect to create a full mix with 24 > tracks of VSTi's. Instead I create my tracks with hardware, then look > for software instruments to use in the recording process. Software > has made me happy with the B3 sounds in my Vintage ROM because I know > when it comes time to record, I can change over to NI's B4. I guess > software has created a market for cheap hardware. But, I will not be > spending $3000 for a ROMpler again. ironically, my intention initially was to explain why companies seem to be going to software, but i agree with your point. i myself like hardware better. the less interaction with a computer i have, the better my music seems to flow. i think there is a very visceral sense with hardware that can't really be duplicated by software and a little mini control keyboard with multifunction knobs. Reason was an excellent purchase, but it often seems TOO flexible, in that there are just so darn many ways to do things that getting started with an idea can be more difficult. i tend to pick simple hardware - stuff i can grok in less than 30 minutes. i'm a big fan of actually trying out stuff in a music store before buying online or what have you - how do i interact with the physical machine? does it like me? do i like it? these are important questions. trying out software in a similar manner is only possible when the "demo" of the software (or for you swashbucklers, the aye-matey versions) is functionally complete and works for at least 30 minutes without bugging the crapola out of the user - nigh upon impossible to find demos such as this. i think it all boils down to: know your gear. i've heard better things coming out of rEalm's XL-7 and Roland loop sampler than 90% of the stuff i see that is accompanied by two roomfuls of multiracked MIDIfests. Richie Hawtin milks a TB-303 for all it is worth. a TR-606 and a Juno 106 were enough for some folks to make a whole album of amazing stuff. these folks know their gear and work within its limitations. they know what it can do and what cannot be done, and with the boundaries set they can then explore within that confined and navigable space. computers with their endless plugins are an expanding universe of possibility, but that comes at the cost of unfamiliarity. too much flexibility. i have three synths (just sold my fourth, actually) and run Digital Performer in Mac OS 9, with three groups of plugins that were reasonably priced, and three virtual instruments, all of the single-instance retro recreation variety. i doubt i will get anything new in the next year or two - already i am overwhelmed by the sheer possibilities with what i already have. ok, somewhere in that ramble is an idea - not sure where it is, though. :D -- Bruddah Max Lord of the Dance
2003-12-27 by Matt Picone
> I played with contact and I find it much faster to work with > little lcd screen... I challenge you to a public race. -m@
2003-12-27 by faxorgy
Interesting debate this . Oddly enough I've been ALL hardware since 89 ' :O . Basically I'm keeping my EleVata fed through Valve mic pre's and my Fully Loaded MP-7 and ditchinh the lot bar my Yamaha AW-Hardware DAW. I'll be running Reason 2.5 ,Ableton Live 3.01 ,Reaktor Session on an AMD3000+ w/3 gig ram ,sound card + plugins and using the AW as a digital mixer w/effects,dynamics processors,eq's,effects and digital I/O for the sound card. The only other hardware I'm keeping is my Emu EII+Hd. The rest mixers ,effects,racks ,synth modules and 3 keyboards I'll be very happy to see the back of. By by RS7000 *hacks&coughs* ;) - The XX-7's have much better swing shuffle and groove feel to them anyway :D. So I'm sitting somewhere in the mid-field on this one.
2003-12-27 by khjkkkkk khjkhjk
I sead its a lot easier for me, not for you, so it wouldn't make any sense. Matt Picone <matman@...> wrote:> I played with contact and I find it much faster to work with > little lcd screen... I challenge you to a public race. -m@ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-12-27 by Bruddah Max
faxorgy wrote: > The only other hardware I'm keeping is my Emu EII+Hd. you, good sir, are wise indeed. i had an Emax SE/HD i wish i had kept, but i was ignorant at the time... -- Bruddah Max Lord of the Dance