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I know Realm uses one. Anyway I have a Korg Karma. It is nice, has 
way too many features for me personally. But wihtout using outboard 
effects such as guitar stompboxes and preproduction filters. The 
sounds aren't dirty enough for my taste. I haven't had much 
experience with the Virus, but I would like to trade my Karma for a 
Virus KC or even a desktop or XL rack.

Do think this is worth it or should I keep my karma?

Thanks all,
Greg

Just get a good distortion/overdrive pedal, or better yet an guitar and amp
simulator like the POD.  Much cheaper and you can really dial in dirty.  Your
Karma has a lot of sneaky stuff that you could grow into that the other synths
simply don't have.

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg [mailto:golerage@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:07 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Question for Virus User


I know Realm uses one. Anyway I have a Korg Karma. It is nice, has
way too many features for me personally. But wihtout using outboard
effects such as guitar stompboxes and preproduction filters. The
sounds aren't dirty enough for my taste. I haven't had much
experience with the Virus, but I would like to trade my Karma for a
Virus KC or even a desktop or XL rack.

Do think this is worth it or should I keep my karma?

Thanks all,
Greg



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Right now I using an old DOD fx7 multiprocessor on it. The Karma just 
doesn't seem to have that liveliness of analogue synths. I spend more 
using it to control the XL7 and its preset than the sounds on the 
Karma. But the Karma does have some good drums. I am so on the fence 
it is saddenning.

-Greg

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> Just get a good distortion/overdrive pedal, or better yet an guitar 
and amp
> simulator like the POD.  Much cheaper and you can really dial in 
dirty.  Your
> Karma has a lot of sneaky stuff that you could grow into that the 
other synths
> simply don't have.
> 
> Andre
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg [mailto:golerage@y...]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Question for Virus User
> 
> 
> I know Realm uses one. Anyway I have a Korg Karma. It is nice, has
> way too many features for me personally. But wihtout using outboard
> effects such as guitar stompboxes and preproduction filters. The
> sounds aren't dirty enough for my taste. I haven't had much
> experience with the Virus, but I would like to trade my Karma for a
> Virus KC or even a desktop or XL rack.
> 
> Do think this is worth it or should I keep my karma?
> 
> Thanks all,
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
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Well the Virus will definitely give you some dirty sounds, especially with 
the new Moog filter.  However, it's sort comparing apples to oranges IMO. 
Th Virus is a VA synth, while the Karma is  ROMpler with a VERY nice 
interactive arp feature.  The Virus is certainly a lot easier to program 
than the Karma, but it's also limited in the types of sounds you can make, 
just by it's very nature.  You're not going to be able to play a guitar or 
piano patch on the Virus for instance, so if you use a lot of 'real' 
instrument sounds, you're going to be disappointed in that regard.

I've used a lot of Korg products (my first keyboard was a Korg 
workstation), and I know the Karma pretty well too (was going to get one 
last year), so if you'd like me to compare certain features, feel free to 
ask.

rEalm




I know Realm uses one. Anyway I have a Korg Karma. It is nice, has 
way too many features for me personally. But wihtout using outboard 
effects such as guitar stompboxes and preproduction filters. The 
sounds aren't dirty enough for my taste. I haven't had much 
experience with the Virus, but I would like to trade my Karma for a 
Virus KC or even a desktop or XL rack.

Do think this is worth it or should I keep my karma?

Thanks all,
Greg



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Well then you might want to look at some other pedals or gear first.  Don't get
me wrong, if you really want a Virus, they are fantastic and the different
filter drive types are pretty comprehensive.  I love mine.  But I know that you
can buy pedals that do the same sorts of thing for your sound.  The biggest
thing you can do for your Karma sounds is realize that the people who make the
soundset aren't aiming it at the same people who use the virus, so the sounds
are pretty tame in comparison to what it's capable of.  Without getting too
sucked up into a long discussion of it here are some things that may be
relevant:

1)  Each manufacturer does an overall EQ sweetening on it's gear to get a
"signature sound" - this contributes to it's overall tonality and is aimed at
it's target market.  Just sending certain sounds through your mixers EQ may just
do the trick on tonality.

2)  The soundset was designed to show off the ARP functionality and not really
get in the way.  Since this is the Triton soundset and synth engine, you know it
has real programming potential once you dig into it.

3) most of the virus sounds sound big because of unison mode and stacking.
Slightly detuned oscillators stacked adds a lot of motion, add a few LFO's and
you get great sounds.  You can also do this on the Karma by detuning duplicate
patches in a multi.  Add LFO's to your patches to get more motion.

4) The distortion section on the virus includes a bit reducer, overdrives, a
Rectifier (A+++), and a shaper which is also nice.  I believe you can get pedals
that do the same thing, so maybe go to a guitar center and hook up a bunch of
pedals to a Karma and find one that has the right tone for what your after.

Or just pick up a virus man, they are great ;)

Regards,
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg [mailto:golerage@...]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:26 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Question for Virus User


Right now I using an old DOD fx7 multiprocessor on it. The Karma just
doesn't seem to have that liveliness of analogue synths. I spend more
using it to control the XL7 and its preset than the sounds on the
Karma. But the Karma does have some good drums. I am so on the fence
it is saddenning.

-Greg

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> Just get a good distortion/overdrive pedal, or better yet an guitar
and amp
> simulator like the POD.  Much cheaper and you can really dial in
dirty.  Your
> Karma has a lot of sneaky stuff that you could grow into that the
other synths
> simply don't have.
>
> Andre
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg [mailto:golerage@y...]
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Question for Virus User
>
>
> I know Realm uses one. Anyway I have a Korg Karma. It is nice, has
> way too many features for me personally. But wihtout using outboard
> effects such as guitar stompboxes and preproduction filters. The
> sounds aren't dirty enough for my taste. I haven't had much
> experience with the Virus, but I would like to trade my Karma for a
> Virus KC or even a desktop or XL rack.
>
> Do think this is worth it or should I keep my karma?
>
> Thanks all,
> Greg
>
>
>
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