Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hi all,

I was just wondering. With the cost of the XL7 so low right now. 
Would it be possible for me to just buy an XL7 and replace the XL7 
rom with a pure phatt rom and have the equivlant of an MP7?  Will I 
have access to all of the MP7 patches (i.e. atleast be able to load 
them in the user banks)?  What about the MP7 sequence patterns? 

Basically, will I be missing anything if I don't just flat out buy an 
MP7?

Thanks... Ken

K2500X wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I was just wondering. With the cost of the XL7 so low right now.
> Would it be possible for me to just buy an XL7 and replace the XL7
> rom with a pure phatt rom and have the equivlant of an MP7?  Will I
> have access to all of the MP7 patches (i.e. atleast be able to load
> them in the user banks)?  What about the MP7 sequence patterns?
> 
> Basically, will I be missing anything if I don't just flat out buy an
> MP7?
> 
> Thanks... Ken

howdy Ken.

actually, the MP7 ROM is slightly different than the Pure Phatt ROM, and the
patterns for the MP7 do not work with the Pure Phatt. this could be
considered by many to be a bona-fide bummer.

on a ROM related note - i just bought the Protozoa and the Ensoniq Project
ROMs (only $79 apiece!) from E-mu. i've head the old Proteus modules and
i've also heard that the Protozoa reproduces those same exact sounds with
little if any change in tone. but i'm buying the Ensoniq Project ROM on
faith, hoping that it might approximate the Ensoniq Real World and Urban
Dance Project ROMs for the MR series of keys/modules. a friend had an MR
Rack (still worth getting for it's always-on multi mode - real easy) with
these ROMs and they sounded swell. i seem to recall that each of those ROMs
was 24mb or so of samples apiece. so, given the cut down from 48mb of
samples to 32mb, what was sacrificed? does anyone know?

also, does anyone have this ROM? does it sound any good? why doesn't E-mu
have MP3 demos of the expansion ROMs that aren't used in separate modules?
-- 
Michael Brien Lane
the Bruddah Max

> 
> on a ROM related note - i just bought the Protozoa and the Ensoniq 
Project
> ROMs (only $79 apiece!) from E-mu. i've head the old Proteus 
modules and
> i've also heard that the Protozoa reproduces those same exact 
sounds with
> little if any change in tone. but i'm buying the Ensoniq Project 
ROM on
> faith, hoping that it might approximate the Ensoniq Real World and 
Urban
> Dance Project ROMs for the MR series of keys/modules. a friend had 
an MR
> Rack (still worth getting for it's always-on multi mode - real 
easy) with
> these ROMs and they sounded swell. i seem to recall that each of 
those ROMs
> was 24mb or so of samples apiece. so, given the cut down from 48mb 
of
> samples to 32mb, what was sacrificed? does anyone know?
> 
> also, does anyone have this ROM? does it sound any good? why 
doesn't E-mu
> have MP3 demos of the expansion ROMs that aren't used in separate 
modules?

> -- 
> Michael Brien Lane
> the Bruddah Max

I ordered the Ensoniq Project ROM on blind faith after havign owned 
the MR Rack with the world ROM some years ago. I never thought about 
the fact that each of the Ensoniq ROM's had 24 Meg while the Emu ROM 
only has 32 available for the both of them. I also gave up on trying 
to get the MP-7 version of the Mo Phatt ROM and ordered the Pure 
Phatt. After a week they have not shipped and the Pure Phatt is now 
out of stock. I am considering canceling the Pure Phat and getting 
the Protozoa and Definitive B3 ROM's instead.

Robert

> 
> on a ROM related note - i just bought the Protozoa and the Ensoniq 
Project
> ROMs (only $79 apiece!) from E-mu. i've head the old Proteus 
modules and
> i've also heard that the Protozoa reproduces those same exact 
sounds with
> little if any change in tone. but i'm buying the Ensoniq Project 
ROM on
> faith, hoping that it might approximate the Ensoniq Real World and 
Urban
> Dance Project ROMs for the MR series of keys/modules. a friend had 
an MR
> Rack (still worth getting for it's always-on multi mode - real 
easy) with
> these ROMs and they sounded swell. i seem to recall that each of 
those ROMs
> was 24mb or so of samples apiece. so, given the cut down from 48mb 
of
> samples to 32mb, what was sacrificed? does anyone know?
> 
> also, does anyone have this ROM? does it sound any good? why 
doesn't E-mu
> have MP3 demos of the expansion ROMs that aren't used in separate 
modules?

> -- 
> Michael Brien Lane
> the Bruddah Max

"After a week they have not shipped and the Pure Phatt is now is out 
of stock."


>>> You need to call them up. I ordered a Friday, then when I called 
Tuesday the order was still pending due to some adress validation 
crap.... It seems that Emu is very anal about credit card orders and 
it also seems that the website's info about the orders is not always 
accurate. They told me they'd emailed me but I never got no email. 
That day I was supposed to get another email if there was still any 
problems with the order, which never made to my box either. By the 
third day I talked to this nice woman called Maureen? who sorted 
things out and made sure that the order was shipped that same day. 
So, your order could be already on its way or waiting for you to call 
to give the necessary information for them to go ahead with the 
order... I'm glad I finally recieved my roms but am rather annoyed 
that I had to pay for several rather lengthy calls to Cal 'cause I 
couldn't get the 888 number to go through. They called me back in 
several occations, though. I think they ought to find a faster way of 
processing credit cards/orders and give the low level phone 
attendants atleast some minimal info of what is that they are 
selling. Specially since the website doesn't have in many cases 
enough informaition to begin with....

Good luck with that...


BTW, I'll be posting a partial review as soon as I have some more 
time to sit down and get a feel of them.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "rabidmusic" <rabidmusic@y...> wrote:
> I ordered the Ensoniq Project ROM on blind faith after havign owned 
> the MR Rack with the world ROM some years ago. I never thought 
about 
> the fact that each of the Ensoniq ROM's had 24 Meg while the Emu 
ROM 
> only has 32 available for the both of them. I also gave up on 
trying 
> to get the MP-7 version of the Mo Phatt ROM and ordered the Pure 
> Phatt. After a week they have not shipped and the Pure Phatt is now 
> out of stock. I am considering canceling the Pure Phat and getting 
> the Protozoa and Definitive B3 ROM's instead.
> 
> Robert
> 
> > 
> > on a ROM related note - i just bought the Protozoa and the 
Ensoniq 
> Project
> > ROMs (only $79 apiece!) from E-mu. i've head the old Proteus 
> modules and
> > i've also heard that the Protozoa reproduces those same exact 
> sounds with
> > little if any change in tone. but i'm buying the Ensoniq Project 
> ROM on
> > faith, hoping that it might approximate the Ensoniq Real World 
and 
> Urban
> > Dance Project ROMs for the MR series of keys/modules. a friend 
had 
> an MR
> > Rack (still worth getting for it's always-on multi mode - real 
> easy) with
> > these ROMs and they sounded swell. i seem to recall that each of 
> those ROMs
> > was 24mb or so of samples apiece. so, given the cut down from 
48mb 

> of
> > samples to 32mb, what was sacrificed? does anyone know?
> > 
> > also, does anyone have this ROM? does it sound any good? why 
> doesn't E-mu
> > have MP3 demos of the expansion ROMs that aren't used in separate 
> modules?
> > -- 
> > Michael Brien Lane
> > the Bruddah Max

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruddah Max <bruddahmax@c...> wrote:
> 
> howdy Ken.
> 
> actually, the MP7 ROM is slightly different than the Pure Phatt 
ROM, and the
> patterns for the MP7 do not work with the Pure Phatt. this could be
> considered by many to be a bona-fide bummer.
> 


Yeah that is a bummer and a shame.  So what do you mean my 'slightly' 
different? A buddy of mine has an MP7 and was able to load all the 
MoPhatt patches on there. That would make me think the ROMs were 
exactly the same.  I guess we're talking about 3 'phatt' ROMs now. 
Pure Phatt, MoPhatt, and MP7. Can anyone confirm that these are 
actually all different? Are the preset patterns in the command 
stations stored in ROM or in the sequencer's flash memory? 

Thanks,
Ken

Now that you mention it... When I opened my XL-7 to install the new 
roms I notice that the XL-7 rom said 32mb and 2mb flash... Maybe the 
Command Station's memory is on the roms?


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "K2500X" <kdistefano@P...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruddah Max <bruddahmax@c...> wrote:
> > 
> > howdy Ken.
> > 
> > actually, the MP7 ROM is slightly different than the Pure Phatt 
> ROM, and the
> > patterns for the MP7 do not work with the Pure Phatt. this could 
be
> > considered by many to be a bona-fide bummer.
> > 
> 
> 
> Yeah that is a bummer and a shame.  So what do you mean 
my 'slightly' 

> different? A buddy of mine has an MP7 and was able to load all the 
> MoPhatt patches on there. That would make me think the ROMs were 
> exactly the same.  I guess we're talking about 3 'phatt' ROMs now. 
> Pure Phatt, MoPhatt, and MP7. Can anyone confirm that these are 
> actually all different? Are the preset patterns in the command 
> stations stored in ROM or in the sequencer's flash memory? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "K2500X" <kdistefano@P...> wrote:
I guess we're talking about 3 'phatt' ROMs now.
> Pure Phatt, MoPhatt, and MP7. Can anyone confirm that these are
> actually all different? Are the preset patterns in the command
> stations stored in ROM or in the sequencer's flash memory?

> Thanks,
> Ken


There's just 2.  The Pure Phatt ROM is exactly the same as the ROM 
that's in the Mo' Phatt.  The MROM (from the MP) uses the same 
samples(instruments)but has some different presets. ROM ID and it 
supports patterns because all of the BEATs listed in the 
Mo'Phatt/Pure Phatt manuals are now kits on the MP.  Just open the 
appendix of the Mo'Phatt module and the MP-7 and check the bank 
listing for the comparison.

For what it's worth, I was able to download the MP-7 patterns and get 
them to work in an XL-7 with a PurePhatt ROM.  It was by no means 
easy.  I had to get a binary editor out and edit the bank-select byte 
in each of the patterns.  I don't know if it would be legal to post 
the edited patterns up here on the site.  Any thoughts?

-Clint

It would be wonderful if you can post them. UPS just dropped off my 
PurePhatt and Ensoniq Project ROM's, even though the Emu web site 
states that my order is still pending.

Robert

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I was able to download the MP-7 patterns and 
get 
> them to work in an XL-7 with a PurePhatt ROM.  It was by no means 
> easy.  I had to get a binary editor out and edit the bank-select 
byte 
> in each of the patterns.  I don't know if it would be legal to 
post 

> the edited patterns up here on the site.  Any thoughts?
> 
> -Clint

Clint I just wanted to THANK YOU sooo much for uploading those MP-7 
patterns.... I have been looking for this since I brought my mo 
phatt and instaled in my xl-7. This is great I just finished 
uploading them.

Thanks !!!




--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I was able to download the MP-7 patterns and 
get 
> them to work in an XL-7 with a PurePhatt ROM.  It was by no means 
> easy.  I had to get a binary editor out and edit the bank-select 
byte 
> in each of the patterns.  I don't know if it would be legal to 
post 

> the edited patterns up here on the site.  Any thoughts?
> 
> -Clint

This is great news clint. Thanks so much for ULing the patterns. Now 
to get back to my original question. Do these patterns effectively 
turn an XL-7 into an MP-7? They sound exactly the same on the pure 
phatt ROM as they do on the MP-7 itself?
Would there be any other drawbacks to not buying the MP-7 itself? 
Less ram by loading the MP-7 patterns? Are the patches from MP-7 and 
Pure Phatt actually different? 

Thanks again,
Ken


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "clintfisher" <clint@f...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I was able to download the MP-7 patterns and 
get 
> them to work in an XL-7 with a PurePhatt ROM.  It was by no means 
> easy.  I had to get a binary editor out and edit the bank-select 
byte 

> in each of the patterns.  I don't know if it would be legal to post 
> the edited patterns up here on the site.  Any thoughts?
> 
> -Clint

What if you don't have the PurePhatt ROM?  I'm full up
with ROMs, but I *hate* the XL-7 patterns.  Not my cup
of tea.  I'd like to try out some more hip-hop/r&b
patches that might be on the MP-7, but I wonder what
would happen if I tried it.  Could I just manually go
in and reset instruments for tracks as I like?  I'd
also like to sell my XL-7 ROM and replace it with a
Protean Drum ROM, but I'm wondering what havoc would
that cause.

Mark

--- clintfisher <clint@...> wrote:

> For what it's worth, I was able to download the MP-7
> patterns and get 
> them to work in an XL-7 with a PurePhatt ROM.  It
> was by no means 
> easy.  I had to get a binary editor out and edit the
> bank-select byte 
> in each of the patterns.  I don't know if it would
> be legal to post 
> the edited patterns up here on the site.  Any
> thoughts?
> 
> -Clint
> 
>