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2003-09-18 by sounddaddy@comcast.net
Is it possible to play xl7 patterns from the CD on an MP7 with only the MP7 rom installed ? I tried to load one in but it did not play any sounds ... Lights flashed but no glory ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-09-19 by robertabrownjr
If you had the ROM from an XL-7 in your MP-7, then the patterns would play. The patters look for the patch they were programmed to play. That patch is tied to the ROM id, not location. What you can do it edit each pattern and reassign the individual channels to patches on the MP-7. This might be a bit difficult as your are guessing what the XL-7 patches sound like, and what will work as substitutes on the MP- 7. Robert --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote: > Is it possible to play xl7 patterns from the CD on an MP7 with only the MP7 rom installed ? > > I tried to load one in but it did not play any sounds ... Lights flashed but no glory !
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-09-19 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Interesting, I too always assumed the patterns just stored the location, and not the ROM ID of each Preset. rEalm The patters look for the patch they were programmed to play. That patch is tied to the ROM id, not location. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-09-19 by robertabrownjr
I am going to double check this again tonight by switching around two ROM's in my XL-7. If it goes by ID then my patterns will still play correctly. If the patterns were based soley on ROM location, the MP-7 patterns would play on the XL-7, but with the wrong patches. Not getting any sound from those patters makes me think it is looking for that specific ROM. And isn't this why you have to get a MP-7 ROM and not just the Mo Phatt ROM to play those patterns? Robert --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Interesting, I too always assumed the patterns just stored the location,
> and not the ROM ID of each Preset. > > rEalm > > > > The patters look for the patch they were programmed to play. > That patch is tied to the ROM id, not location. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-09-19 by Aaron Eppolito
Patch changes (well, specifically bank select) goes by ROM ID. That is the first number shown on the screen when you press audition (Bank MSB = ROM ID). Physical location means nothing. -Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
2003-09-19 by M2
Don't waste your time Robert as it won't work. I was waiting for my MROM to be delivered but went ahead a downloaded all of the patterns to my XL-7 prior to installation. All of the patterns showed up correctly through E-loader but without the ROM, you get nothing. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robertabrownjr" <Robert@r...> wrote: > I am going to double check this again tonight by switching around two > ROM's in my XL-7. If it goes by ID then my patterns will still play > correctly. If the patterns were based soley on ROM location, the MP- 7 > patterns would play on the XL-7, but with the wrong patches. Not > getting any sound from those patters makes me think it is looking for > that specific ROM. And isn't this why you have to get a MP-7 ROM and
> not just the Mo Phatt ROM to play those patterns? > > Robert > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > Interesting, I too always assumed the patterns just stored the > location, > > and not the ROM ID of each Preset. > > > > rEalm > > > > > > > > The patters look for the patch they were programmed to play. > > That patch is tied to the ROM id, not location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-09-19 by sounddaddy@comcast.net
so can I get those XL-7 patters to Play on the MP-7.. even if it's the wrong sounds I might stumble onto something inspiring ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Eppolito
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7
Patch changes (well, specifically bank select) goes by ROM ID. That is
the first number shown on the screen when you press audition (Bank MSB
= ROM ID). Physical location means nothing.
-Aaron
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-09-19 by M2
Same concept, different machine. Without the ROM, nothing will sound. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote: > so can I get those XL-7 patters to Play on the MP-7.. even if it's the wrong sounds I might stumble onto something inspiring ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aaron Eppolito > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7 > > > Patch changes (well, specifically bank select) goes by ROM ID. That is > the first number shown on the screen when you press audition (Bank MSB > = ROM ID). Physical location means nothing. > > -Aaron > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2003-09-19 by sounddaddy@comcast.net
Here is a what if ... What if I had both ROMS wrote a kick pattern using an MP7 preset and wanted to try an XL7 kick in it's place ... This must be do-able ? ... I only have one ROM at this point so I don't know the deal !! I would like to try those XL-7 patterns on the MP7... I am going to mess with it tonight... But an answer before this evening would be KILLER !
----- Original Message -----
From: M2
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7
Same concept, different machine. Without the ROM, nothing will sound.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote:
> so can I get those XL-7 patters to Play on the MP-7.. even if it's
the wrong sounds I might stumble onto something inspiring ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aaron Eppolito
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7
>
>
> Patch changes (well, specifically bank select) goes by ROM ID.
That is
> the first number shown on the screen when you press audition
(Bank MSB
> = ROM ID). Physical location means nothing.
>
> -Aaron
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-09-19 by steve_the_composer
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robertabrownjr" <Robert@r...> wrote: > I am going to double check this again tonight by switching around > two ROM's in my XL-7. If it goes by ID then my patterns will still > play correctly. If the patterns were based soley on ROM location, > the MP-7 patterns would play on the XL-7, but with the wrong > patches. Computerwise, ROM ID [Bank MSB], Bank LSB, and Preset number make up the logical address of parameter data which the E-Mu synth engine uses to create audio. The logical address is/functions as/points to a "location." Sequencers [on board and external] "point" to the "location" of the preset [data]. By physical location you evidently mean the slot in which the ROM sits. Not trying to be pedantic, just trying to clarify two different uses of the word "location."
2003-09-19 by M2
That can be done. I have substituted drum parts, bass sounds, lead sound and so forth on patterns. Especially if you alter the sound by the knobs, the unit prompts you to save it to a user location which can be used in any of the 16 track locations. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote: > Here is a what if ... What if I had both ROMS wrote a kick pattern using an MP7 preset and wanted to try an XL7 kick in it's place ... This must be do-able ? ... I only have one ROM at this point so I don't know the deal !! > > I would like to try those XL-7 patterns on the MP7... I am going to mess with it tonight... But an answer before this evening would be KILLER ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M2 > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:04 PM > Subject: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7 > > > Same concept, different machine. Without the ROM, nothing will sound. > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote: > > so can I get those XL-7 patters to Play on the MP-7.. even if it's > the wrong sounds I might stumble onto something inspiring ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Aaron Eppolito > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: xl-7 patterns to play om MP-7 > > > > > > Patch changes (well, specifically bank select) goes by ROM ID. > That is > > the first number shown on the screen when you press audition > (Bank MSB > > = ROM ID). Physical location means nothing. > > > > -Aaron > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2003-09-19 by steve_the_composer
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote:
> Here is a what if ... What if I had both ROMS wrote a kick pattern
> using an MP7 preset and wanted to try an XL7 kick in it's
> place ... This must be do-able ? ... I only have one ROM at this
> point so I don't know the deal !!
ROMs have INSTRUMENTs [sample data]
ROMs have PRESETS [parameter data]
ROMs may also have DEMO SEQUENCES [sequence data]
For each layer {L1, L2, L3, L4] in any preset you can assign any ROM
INSTRUMENT from any ROM physically located in your E-Mu. So, you can
take an MP preset and point any layer to use the sample data from any
other ROM INSTRUMENT in your E-Mu.
If you like what you have, you can save the preset as a user preset.
If you then remove the ROM that has the sample data your user preset
uses, that layer will not work.
I hope this helps.
ADDENDUM: How to do it:
1. Select Edit Preset
2. Go to the second menu [INSTRUMENT]
3. Select the layer you want to change
4. Cursor right once [ROM]
5. Select the ROM you want
6. Select the ROM INSTRUMENT you want
Note: you can select ROM INSTRUMENT by
--number
--prefix
--name
So if you want to test a different kit: or prc: sample,
select that prefix and cursor right to scroll through the various
kit: or prc: samples. Samples will be displayed based on the order
they are found in the ROM, beginning with the lowest ROM ID.
Hope this helps.2003-09-20 by sounddaddy@comcast.net
Thanks That Worked ... Although it was very intensive trying to find instruments to match what was intended it was a very good exercise and somewhat inspirational. Thanks Again to all that replied !!
----- Original Message -----
From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: [xl7] Using ROM INSTRUMENTS
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote:
> Here is a what if ... What if I had both ROMS wrote a kick pattern
> using an MP7 preset and wanted to try an XL7 kick in it's
> place ... This must be do-able ? ... I only have one ROM at this
> point so I don't know the deal !!
ROMs have INSTRUMENTs [sample data]
ROMs have PRESETS [parameter data]
ROMs may also have DEMO SEQUENCES [sequence data]
For each layer {L1, L2, L3, L4] in any preset you can assign any ROM
INSTRUMENT from any ROM physically located in your E-Mu. So, you can
take an MP preset and point any layer to use the sample data from any
other ROM INSTRUMENT in your E-Mu.
If you like what you have, you can save the preset as a user preset.
If you then remove the ROM that has the sample data your user preset
uses, that layer will not work.
I hope this helps.
ADDENDUM: How to do it:
1. Select Edit Preset
2. Go to the second menu [INSTRUMENT]
3. Select the layer you want to change
4. Cursor right once [ROM]
5. Select the ROM you want
6. Select the ROM INSTRUMENT you want
Note: you can select ROM INSTRUMENT by
--number
--prefix
--name
So if you want to test a different kit: or prc: sample,
select that prefix and cursor right to scroll through the various
kit: or prc: samples. Samples will be displayed based on the order
they are found in the ROM, beginning with the lowest ROM ID.
Hope this helps.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-09-22 by steve_the_composer
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote: > Thanks That Worked ... Although it was very intensive trying to > find instruments to match what was intended it was a very good > exercise and somewhat inspirational. Thank YOU. Your success makes the time spent posting worthwhile. And yes, it IS intensive. --Steve
2003-09-22 by sounddaddy@comcast.net
Thanks again Steve.... I learned quite a bit from this exercise... YOU DA MAN !!
----- Original Message -----
From: steve_the_composer
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:57 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: Using ROM INSTRUMENTS
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, <sounddaddy@c...> wrote:
> Thanks That Worked ... Although it was very intensive trying to
> find instruments to match what was intended it was a very good
> exercise and somewhat inspirational.
Thank YOU. Your success makes the time spent posting worthwhile. And
yes, it IS intensive.
--Steve
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2003-10-02 by clintfisher
Use E-Loader to view a pattern exported from your xl7 or mp7 (MIDI-- >Midi File Event Listing). Look at the header of each track and you'll see something that looks like this: 0: cntrllr ch: 1 ctl: 0 val: 14 The value 14 after "ctl: 0" indicates that this track is using the XL- 7 soundset. These are the values of "ctl: 0" that I have figured out so far: 00 = USER 13 = PHATT 14 = XL-7 15 = MP-7 So, theoretically, you should be able to edit the patterns to replace these values with the appropriate values, and voila, you should have a working pattern. The reason I got started with this is that I bought the PURE PHATT ROM in hopes of getting all the MP-7 patterns to play on my XL-7. Well, that didn't work. So now, I need to either write a quick little program to modify all the MP-7 patterns to point to the PHATT rom, or hand edit them myself. Hope this helps. If anyone knows of any midi librarians that will allow me to change this value in all of the pattern files I have, I'd certainly appreciate it! -Clint --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "M2" <mmcquay@s...> wrote: > Don't waste your time Robert as it won't work. I was waiting for my > MROM to be delivered but went ahead a downloaded all of the patterns > to my XL-7 prior to installation. All of the patterns showed up > correctly through E-loader but without the ROM, you get nothing. > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robertabrownjr" <Robert@r...> wrote: > > I am going to double check this again tonight by switching around > two > > ROM's in my XL-7. If it goes by ID then my patterns will still play > > correctly. If the patterns were based soley on ROM location, the MP-
> 7 > > patterns would play on the XL-7, but with the wrong patches. Not > > getting any sound from those patters makes me think it is looking > for > > that specific ROM. And isn't this why you have to get a MP-7 ROM > and > > not just the Mo Phatt ROM to play those patterns? > > > > Robert > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > > Interesting, I too always assumed the patterns just stored the > > location, > > > and not the ROM ID of each Preset. > > > > > > rEalm > > > > > > > > > > > > The patters look for the patch they were programmed to play. > > > That patch is tied to the ROM id, not location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]