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Hey guys..
Is there any way to import user arps via eloader or sysex.  I have 
some patterns I've created and don't want to have to program them in 
note by note again.?.

Nope, you'll have to program them.  If you know what they are alrady 
though, it should only take a matter of minutes.  Thinking of them is 
always the most time-consuming part for me.

rEalm





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08/13/2003 12:45 PM
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Hey guys..
Is there any way to import user arps via eloader or sysex.  I have 
some patterns I've created and don't want to have to program them in 
note by note again.?.



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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Nope, you'll have to program them.  


DoH! thats what i was afraid of...I got curiuos when I d/l the XL1
prestes for XL-7 and it added a few user arps.  so I was hoping 
there was some crazy sysex thing i could do to get them in there..

Hmm, it's possible I guess, not too sure how that would work though...

rEalm





DoH! thats what i was afraid of...I got curiuos when I d/l the XL1
prestes for XL-7 and it added a few user arps.  so I was hoping 
there was some crazy sysex thing i could do to get them in there.. 



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--- kevinj_j <kevinj_j@...> wrote:
> DoH! thats what i was afraid of...I got curiuos when I d/l the
> XL1 prestes for XL-7 and it added a few user arps.  so I was
> hoping there was some crazy sysex thing i could do to get them
> in there..

There's no way to convert a sequencer pattern to an arp pattern.  There
is, however, a sysex dump that will save arp patterns and restore them.
 I'm not sure if this is what you want it to do; sorry, the name
collision between sequencer patterns and arp patterns is confusing. 
The 4th screen in the Arp menu is SEND MIDI SYSEX DATA which can be
used to dump and restore arp patterns.

-Aaron

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>  There
> is, however, a sysex dump that will save arp patterns and restore 
them.
> -Aaron


Yeah, this is what i was thinking about..I figured I could dump an 
arp I already have then use the sysex manual to figure what bits do 
what..Then all i have to do is convert the midi file from note info 
to interval info then re up it to the XL.  This SHOULD work tho 
right?

Is the protAudSysEx21 the best place to start or is there another 
document you would recomend..

--- kevinj_j <kevinj_j@...> wrote:
> Then all i have to do is convert the midi file from note info 
> to interval info then re up it to the XL.  This SHOULD work tho 
> right?

Wow.  You're brave.  =)  Yes, this is possible, but you'll have to do
some serious programming.  Also note that you'll be limited by the
different format (i.e. durations, monophonic, repeats, etc).

> Is the protAudSysEx21 the best place to start or is there another 
> document you would recomend..

Yep, that's the one.  The dump format is pretty simple, so even if the
Sysex doc doesn't detail it, it should be pretty obvious from a dump. 
(well, obvious to someone who's brave enough to be writing a sysex tool
of this magnitutde!)  You'll be my (and Sean's) hero if you manage do
get this to work!

-Aaron

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----- Original Message -----
From: "smw-mail" <smw-mail@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: ARPS


> >  Hey guys..
> >  Is there any way to import user arps via eloader or sysex.  I have
> >  some patterns I've created and don't want to have to program them in
> >  note by note again.?.
>
> To the best of my knowledge OS2.00 for Command Stations/P2500 and OS2.26
for
> current non-Command Station E-Mu synths allow for from panel saving of
user
> and individual arps.  I haven't tested it, but it whould also work vial
> sysex dump resquest.
>
> One you have have your arps is a sysex bank, a sequencer can send them to
> your synth.  I have not seen arp capability in E-Loader 1.1
>
> Arp, Arp/Beats Button.  Try:
> OS2.00
> 1.  Counterclockwise all the way
> 2.  Clockwise 3 menus to SEND MIDI SYSEX DATA
> 3.  Cursor right or left to 2nd line
> 4. Counterclockwise all the way = all user arp patterns
>
> OS2.26
> 1.  Counterclockwise all the way
> 2.  Clockwise 13 menus to SEND MIDI SYSEX DATA
> 3.  Cursor right or left to 2nd line
> 4. Counterclockwise all the way = all user arp patterns
>
> Also, copy/save will allow you to copy arp sets from User and ROM presets.
> You may want to use that feature for copying/preserving not just the
pattern

> itself, but the accompanying settings you use in a particular preset,
>
> (1)  Hope this helps.
> (2)  Let me know if I am in error.
>
> Dr. Steve
>
>
>
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sorry
----- Original Message -----
From: "smw-mail" <smw-mail@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: [xl7] Re: ARPS


> >  Hey guys..
> >  Is there any way to import user arps via eloader or sysex.  I have
> >  some patterns I've created and don't want to have to program them in
> >  note by note again.?.
>
> To the best of my knowledge OS2.00 for Command Stations/P2500 and OS2.26
for
> current non-Command Station E-Mu synths allow for from panel saving of
user
> and individual arps.  I haven't tested it, but it whould also work vial
> sysex dump resquest.
>
> One you have have your arps is a sysex bank, a sequencer can send them to
> your synth.  I have not seen arp capability in E-Loader 1.1
>
> Arp, Arp/Beats Button.  Try:
> OS2.00
> 1.  Counterclockwise all the way
> 2.  Clockwise 3 menus to SEND MIDI SYSEX DATA
> 3.  Cursor right or left to 2nd line
> 4. Counterclockwise all the way = all user arp patterns
>
> OS2.26
> 1.  Counterclockwise all the way
> 2.  Clockwise 13 menus to SEND MIDI SYSEX DATA
> 3.  Cursor right or left to 2nd line
> 4. Counterclockwise all the way = all user arp patterns
>
> Also, copy/save will allow you to copy arp sets from User and ROM presets.
> You may want to use that feature for copying/preserving not just the
pattern

> itself, but the accompanying settings you use in a particular preset,
>
> (1)  Hope this helps.
> (2)  Let me know if I am in error.
>
> Dr. Steve
>
>
>
>
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...
> wrote:
> > Is the protAudSysEx21 the best place to start or is there 
> another 
> > document you would recomend..
> 
> Yep, that's the one.  The dump format is pretty simple, so even if 
> the
> Sysex doc doesn't detail it, 

After a few days of sleepless nights and jolt cola, I'm about 1/2 
way there..Just a quick STOOPID question:

for negative edit parameter values are you using 2's compliment or  

sign magnatude??

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "kevinj_j" <kevinj_j@y...> wrote:
> After a few days of sleepless nights and jolt cola, I'm about 1/2 
> way there..Just a quick STOOPID question:
> 
> for negative edit parameter values are you using 2's compliment or  
> sign magnatude??

The explanation is on p 78 of SysEx Manual v. 2.2 [pdf] (the next to 
the last page not including "the back cover"),  I think its there (in 
the back)in manuals v 2.1 and v 2.0 also.

EG For remote control session: rotary event: main encoder

7F 7F = counterclockwise knob turn one notch (i.e., -1)
00 7F = counterclockwise knob turn 128 notches (i.e., -128)


sample application:

If front panel is (1) at pattern view menu (2) with the cursor at the 
pattern number position (3) showing 127-7 as the current pattern, then

00 7F will simluate counterclockwise main encoder turns to 127-6.
00 7E will simulate counterclockwise main encoder turns to 127-5.
01 78 will simulate counterclockwise main encoder turns to 000-0.

[In short, LSB MSB nibblized 2's compliment]

Not sure if all other parameters follow the same LSB MSB order.  I 
seem to recall some varaitions.

Hope this helps.

Dr. Steve

Steve's right.  It's 14-bit, two's complement.  Note that this is EVIL.
 I can't count the number of times I get that crap wrong...

-Aaron

> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "kevinj_j" <kevinj_j@y...> wrote:
> > negative edit parameter values are you using 2's compliment

> --- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> 
> [In short, LSB MSB nibblized 2's compliment]
> 
> Not sure if all other parameters follow the same LSB MSB order.

I believe they do.

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