Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hi to all,

I'm trying to update my MP7 but, damned ... No installation on 
Windows 2000 ... Is it me ? Someone has passed that ?

Thanks.

MewiMewi
www.mewimewi.com

on 12/13/01 12:30 PM, mewimewi at mewimewi@... wrote:

> Hi to all,
> 
> I'm trying to update my MP7 but, damned ... No installation on
> Windows 2000 ... Is it me ? Someone has passed that ?
> 

It should work fine on Windows 2000. What problem are you seeing?

Scott

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:30:49 -0000, mewimewi wrote,

> I'm trying to update my MP7 but, damned ... No installation on 
> Windows 2000 ... Is it me ? Someone has passed that ?

It's not you.  It took 3 1/2 hours of trial and error to get the MP7 OS
updated on an otherwise stable Win98 system.  :(  Java is an inherently
unstable language that claims to be "portable" and fails miserably.  

<EZ-Loader EZ-Hang EZ-Crash rant deleted>

Now that I've got the updated OS and pdf manual...

How do you make a [complete] sysex backup/restore of the synth?
(all multi setups, patterns, songs, etc)

Jeff

on 12/13/01 2:43 PM, Jeff at drumcorps@... wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:30:49 -0000, mewimewi wrote,
> 
>> I'm trying to update my MP7 but, damned ... No installation on
>> Windows 2000 ... Is it me ? Someone has passed that ?
> 
> It's not you.  It took 3 1/2 hours of trial and error to get the MP7 OS
> updated on an otherwise stable Win98 system.  :(  Java is an inherently
> unstable language that claims to be "portable" and fails miserably.
>
> <EZ-Loader EZ-Hang EZ-Crash rant deleted>

I don't want to get into a rant or debate about this. I would like to try to
separate out some facts from opinions here for the benefit of those who
might be influenced by some of your comments.

First off, I'm sorry if you had problems. I'm on this list to try and help
if I can.

In all fairness, MANY THOUSANDS of users have been able to install E-Loader
in less than 10 minutes and have it work just fine for them. Proportionally
it is only 'a very few of you' that are having troubles. I'm sorry if you
were one of the few that had problems.

If you would like to share with us what your exact problems were, and what
you did to resolve them, it might help us all.

Yes there are issues. I believe most of the known problems are discussed in
the E-Loader Installation instructions, and others have been resolved to
most people's satisfaction on this list. Over time we hope to eliminate the
problems as best we can while we also continue to add new features. I hardly
think that model is unique to a software application like E-Loader.

The majority of problems we have seen have been on Win98/SE/ME. The original
poster said that they were on Win 2000, so your experiences may not apply in
their case. I've heard very few problem reports from W2K users, so I was
very surprised when that post appeared. I still haven't heard back from that
user what they found to be their problem. E-Loader is probably most stable
on W2K because that is the primary Win OS that it was developed on.

Of the problems reported with Java, the vast majority of them have shown to
be only when running the Microsoft VM. Unfortunately, this is the default
JVM installed on Windows machines, so users are most inclined to use that
and then use their experiences with MS Java as their basis for judging all
of Java. (That is essentially what the Sun lawyers have been arguing about
for the past few years.)

I highly recommend that users install the Sun VM and use it instead of the
MS VM for best results with E-Loader on PCs. A compatible version comes on
the CD that ships with all of our units. (If you are switching from MS to
Sun you will need to un-install E-Loader and then re-install it after
installing the new VM. This is because E-Loader remembers which VM it
launched with the first time and will continue to launch with that VM
thereafter.)

Note also that there will be new features in the upcoming E-Loader 1.1 that
will only be available to those running the Sun Java VM. This is because
E-Loader will start using features only available in Java 2 systems (like
Drag-and-Drop support), and the Microsoft VM is not Java 2 capable (and may
never be if the lawyers have their way.)

As far as I'm concerned, the problems with the Win* platform have very
little to do with the fact that E-Loader is a Java application. The problems
we have seen have mostly to do with the differences between the way
Win95/98/SE/ME/2K/XP work. Those differences exist in the OSs themselves,
and therefore would need to be resolved even if the application were written
in C or any other language.

And of course, let's not forget that there 'just might' be some bugs in the
E-Loader code itself that can not be blamed on either the OS or the JVM one
is using ;-)

Scott