Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

De�: Bruno <;brunorc@...>
À : xl7
Envoyé le : Vendredi 12 juillet 2013 10h23
Objet�: Re: [xl7] Re: [p2k] Any interest remaining in a self-programming FLASH SIMM?

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It is a niche market, but even worse - you barely penetrate it by posting here. I don't want to bash your ideas - which are extremely cool - but just to point some things.

There was a certain number of sound modules, synths & sequencers in the P2K line. They were bought and if you look at the prices on the second hand market, some of them ARE scarce (PX-7 anyone?). Same with ROMs, some are priced ridiculously high (VROM, Orbit ROMs).

So I would assume, that owners of those machines would certainly like to beef up their toys - they just simply don't hang out on this list, so they have no clue about the project. But I believe that if you put some of those ROMs on ebay and similar pages, the reaction wouldn't be marginal.

Kickstarter was already suggested. But if it's going to be launched that way, the idea of cloning original E-mu ROMs would have to stay clandestine, since the samples & presets are still the property of E-mu (now Creative). Anyway, if you announced it in a way "put your samples in your E-mu for peanuts", that would raise interest, I suppose.

Just my 0.02

Bruno

2013/7/12 geoffrey szablot <electric-motion@...>

Hey Guys,

I'm pretty sure we are not the only one interested.
What about creating a web page for the project and then posting that on websites like electronic-forum.com, gearslutz, audiofanzine and so on ?

You'll have a rough idea of people��interest. Make people know and talk about it !

We still see stuff coming out for older synths & drum machines than the e-mu.
Saw a recent mod for the tr606!

So i don't see why it should´nt succeed.


CC: xl7@yahoogroups.com
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
From: vandepol.erik@...
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:14:39 -0400

Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: [p2k] Any interest remaining in a self-programming FLASH SIMM?

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Haven't thought it through to be honest, but the idea would be that people would pledge a reasonable amount (let's say as an example $25). Once enough people pledge, the project would be funded and you'd get the payment.�

That would do a few things:

- it would make people committed and more likely to actually purchase a board when they are available. For those who seeded the project, you could offer a discount on the full price.�

- you'd get some idea of how many boards you could sell. Truth be told, this is likely a niche market with relatively small quantities. I could be wrong of course.�

- you'd get some "seed money" to help defray your risk so it's not entirely out of your pocket.�

- you can even formulate "stretch goals" so you can factor in lower cost at higher quantities.�

Just something to think about.�

—Erik

On Jul 11, 2013, at 21:06, Jack Pratt <woodsworth1@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

How do you figure that might work?

I need to build the development board to read existing ROMs

I need to build FLASH SIMMs

I don't expect anyone to be able to solder surface mount parts or procure the parts for any reasonable cost so I don't see how anyone benefits

There are no project intermediates (ie I can't do a cut down version for less cost)

Anyone can do the OS disassembly any time they like, and then create an altered version to do whatever they like. If I do it it just takes up more time.

I'm guessing that If I can make and sell 50 it will have cost me in parts, board manufacture, consumables and labour around $5000. SO if I can sell 50 I would probably break even at around $100 each... but If I only sell 25 I get stuck with $2500 worth of stuff that I can't do anything with. If I can sell 100 I might be able to do it for $65 each. So I sell them at a price to cover costs. And I still don't get compensated for time and effort.

If there is enough interest I can sell them cheaper because the fixed costs are amortised over a larger number of product, otherwise...

What do you think such a board is worth? If you can make it cheaper please do so!!

From: Erik van de Pol <vandepol.erik@...>
To: "xl7@yahoogroups.com" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "xl7@yahoogroups.com" <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 12 July 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: [p2k] Any interest remaining in a self-programming FLASH SIMM?

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Cool project!

Have you considered doing this as a kickstarter project with a realistic funding goal?�

You could defray some of your development coats that way.�

—Erik

On Jul 11, 2013, at 19:44, Jack Pratt <woodsworth1@...> wrote:

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The error was sooo basic that I was embarrassed to continue the project (and it cost me plenty of $$ that fueled the annoyance).

(Snip)

Cost... broad estimate $100-$200 probably closer to $200, but depends on the number I think I can sell (buying in bulk reduces the costs, but buying too many means I get stuck with a large inventory of parts)