Thank u that's very helpful, so if I'm understanding u correctly, the cs won't record sysex in realtime from a midi input but it will let you load it in with eloader? And if you input sysex through the midi port it will see the sysex as commands to the CS itself instead of sysex to record in the sequencer? Which then prevents you from doing sysex dumps directly from synths into the emu?
I am sure I have written about it extensively. From what I remember, here it is (in a nutshell):
1. Create a standard midi file with E-Mu sysex commands on either hardware or software. I used Cakewalk software.
2. Load the pattern into the E-Mu with e-loader.
I did some testing [playing around] with embedded E-Mu remote control sysex commands to simulate button presses. I think some demos are still in the Files section. Found them:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/SYSEX/Remote%20Control/
See:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/18719
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/16121
Apologies: Evidently I was doing the embedded sysex with remote control commands around 2005, possibly through 2007-2008. Based on my archival search, I seem to have taken down all the individual posts with the intention of writing it all up in one spot.
But it seems I never did that. I recall saving all the posts so as to edit them together (cut-and-paste), rewriting it as I went. I am sure that I have upgraded hard drives since then (possibly due in part to hard drive crashes).
However, the above explanation is really what its all about. With the demos (reuploaded in 2009), the E-Mu sysex manual, and some posts that are still around--such as the two above, you can get a pretty good idea of how to do it.
There is some discussion of remote control, too. It can get pretty intricate/complicated. See for example:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21893
More recently, I publicly fantasized (either here or the p2k group), of using a microcontroller (such as an arduino) to do E-Mu remote control stuff. For example, I have wondered about a simple controller to have instant access to trigger and stop 32 arp patterns. Not sure where that discussion is.
Steve
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
>
> Please explain more about embedded sysex and what u know of it
> On Jun 5, 2013 4:53 PM, "steve_the_composer" wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I was going to mention that--using CC80 to switch to a particular multi
> > from an external sequencer (hardware or software).
> >
> > I am a little unclear, though, if that's what you want to do. At first I
> > thought you wanted to be able to save Command Station settings on your
> > virus. But then I saw that something that made me wonder if that's what you
> > wanted.
> >
> > If it is, you can use method Matt pointed you to (CC80 to call up multis).
> > Be careful though: If you have the CS as a slave to another clock source
> > and your multi changes the clock settings, that might mess you up. Also,
> > you can call up a multi that doesn't receive midi on any channels. Of
> > course, you might want to do that, but if not, you you will have to change
> > it back manually (not via midi). In other words: be careful which multis
> > you call up.
> >
> > If your sequencer (or other gear) sends sysex data, another way is to send
> > just the parameters you want to change. (More on that later, if its what
> > you want to try--want or know about.)
> >
> > When you say you want to store the multisetup that goes with each pattern,
> > that confuses me (1) in part because that didn't sound like what you
> > originally asked [see below] and (2) in part because I'd want to know what
> > data you want stored in the sequence that you can't already do.
> >
> > "Is it possible to keep all the information about the settings,
> > Which settings?
> >
> > "and presets of connected to command station
> > Command station presets?
> > Presets on other gear being driven by the CS?
> >
> > "via midi [in] an external synth,[for] example [in a] virus rack?"
> > This is what let me to think you wanted to store the E-Mu's paramters in
> > external gear, but I am not sure I interpreted this line correctly. Can you
> > explain it more?
> >
> > And I do believe Matt is correct--that you can use the CC80 trick from a
> > CS pattern. But if so, I am pretty sure generally it will not provide a
> > seamless transition. I probably tried this years ago, but I don't remember
> > details. My gut reaction is that changing a whole bunch of settings will
> > mess up timing. Of course, I could be wrong. I highly recommend just doing
> > a test pattern with a CC80 multi switch in there to see what happens.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > PS: Not sure if you are interested in embedded sysex--that's where you put
> > sysex commands to change the CS itself into a CS pattern with e-loader
> > after editing the pattern so it has sysex commands on external software.
> > (Its more complicated than it sounds!)
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
> > >
> > > This link might be helpful
> > > http://launch.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/14094
> > > On Jun 5, 2013 10:01 AM, "Matt" <somatt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On the emu proteus 2k racks (vintage pro/orbit3/etc...) there is a way
> > to
> > > > change multi's via midi. I just read it in the manual yesterday but I
> > > > forgot exactly what it is. I'm pretty sure this works on the CS as
> > well. if
>; > > > u have a manual u can try to find it under multisetups. Otherwise Ill
> > try
> > > > to check when I get home.
> > > > I'm not sure about on the virus because I don't have one, but feel
> > free to
> > > > let me borrow urs ;)
> > > > On Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > >
>; > > >> **
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes Mutisetups are good and Im using they all the time, but I want to
> > > >> store in command station what multisetup must be loaded with certain
> > > >> pattern...
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruno wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > AFAIK Command Station doesn't record SysEx data (since they tend to
> > be
> > > >> > rather big).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2013/6/4 Matt
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > >; >> > > I know u could save the program changes inside ur pattern or song.
> > > >> This
> > > >> > > would jump to the appropriate patches on the virus whenever u
> > load the
> > > >> > > pattern or song on the emu.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > As far as using the emu for a patch librarian this maybe
>; > accomplished
> > > >> > > using sysex dumps but I have never done it. Does anyone else have
> > more
>; > > >> > > insight?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Also my friend zapper live PA uses a virus rack and uses
> > > >> "multisetups" for
> > > >> > > live use each multisetup changes the virus channels to
> > corresponding
> > > >> > > presets for that multisetup but I don't have a virus and can't
> > really
> > > >> > > advise further.
> > > >> > > On Jun 4, 2013 12:02 PM, "nikitsanpsix" wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> **
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Hi to all e-mu people :-)
> > > >> > >> I have a question here...
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Is it possible to keep all the information about the settings,
> > and
> > > >> > >> presets of connected to command station via midi an external
> > synth,
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >> example virus rack? how to achieve this?
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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