<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; ">"Matt, Ableton uses clips which are just loops, and those clips can be midi or audio and used at the same time. "</span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; "><br></span></span></div><div>So i'm getting you use it as an audio looping phrase sampler and sequencing everything with the CS? cool. </div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div>"I mean you know how in dub step you can hear LFO wobble for a few bars and then all of suden the rate increases and drops back down to a slower wobble?" </span><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; ">I easily do this on cs with lfo knobs right? Or I also do this easily with lfo knobs on any analog or analog modeler right? I have a roland sh-32 i been playing with making lazers and weird, time signature based wobbles on. I feel like these are easily made once one knows the way lfo's work, and sound interesting but don't replace melodies and interesting drum work, and I don't know or understand why dubstep artists seem to make wobblework programming such a showcase item while ignoring other important parts of their music, but possibly it is a fad. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; ">My friend steve uses wobble work occasionally but usually the way he does it is he plays hiss wobbly bassline loops in with a synth whenever he gets his hands on one (friends house, school, wherever) then he loops those while he loops and layers with audacity. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Maybe he is weird maybe we both are weird i don't know many e-music people so i don't know what others are doing. </span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; ">"Are you honestly going to do an intro, a few bridges, a hook, 3 break downs, a chorus, etc, etc and whatever else it takes to make a traditional pop sounding proper song all on the Command Station? I mean maybe there are guys on the list doing this. But I doubt it. It just doesn't seem like a very elegant way to work. "</span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; "><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; ">It seems like this could be done easily with song mode on CS, sequencing external sampler hardware or software like you're using. but major benefit to computer seems to be ease of editability on daw with screen and mouse and piano roll editing being the most major, right? </span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; "><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; ">I making mostly live sets right now because I am not good with creating song structure so i just say fuck it and play it out then I try to transition patterns from one to another with x mix sometimes or sometimes I can do it with mixer tricks since i'm triggering external sounds. </span></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; "><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.5px; border-collapse: collapse; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.5px; ">I think for multitracking and creating produced finished songs with a a nice interface a daw like ableton would also be super helpful too since the CS can only multitrack with midi. </span></span></div>
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<p>I'm not really one to talk about DAW stuff. But since you asked, I will give me two cents. <br>Matt, Ableton uses clips which are just loops, and those clips can be midi or audio and used at the same time. Depends what you're trying to do. As I said, I don't skim the surface of Ableton. I use it the way that works best for me. I don't use the internal sequencer. I let the CS do that because I like it for the ambient dub techno I do. Now if I were working on dub step or house or progressive stuff, I would say screw the CS and just use Fruity Loops or Logic. Because you need to see what you're doing and the ability to draw certain events with envelopes, etc. I mean you know how in dub step you can hear LFO wobble for a few bars and then all of suden the rate increases and drops back down to a slower wobble? Things like that. Ableton does track out in a linear fashion like the other software programs but it's not something I know about or care to learn. For me the CS is just a midi looper. The sequencer imho doesn't allow you to build entire assembled tracks like a DAW can. I mean you can if you have to but man what a hassle. Are you honestly going to do an intro, a few bridges, a hook, 3 break downs, a chorus, etc, etc and whatever else it takes to make a traditional pop sounding proper song all on the Command Station? I mean maybe there are guys on the list doing this. But I doubt it. It just doesn't seem like a very elegant way to work. Ableton is just a easy breezy sampler to me. But unlike my other million samplers, this sampler supports VST plugins! I use Ableton like a live drummer would use Ableton. I would just use Kontakt but it doesn't have VST support. Ask 5 different guys how they use Ableton and they'll all tell you something different on how they use it. There really is no right or wrong way to use it since it's so versatile. I think it sounds thin but I have bitched and moaned about that kind of stuff for years and I am really beating a dead horse. <br>
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<p>So what's up with the ableton? why is it so awesome? I know james will have a good answer for this. When I first got into music it was like some type of jive keyword if you're cool dubstepper kid u got the ableton. That and being a desktop support tech totally turned me off of it since I don't want to be working (troubleshooting shit on the computer) when I'm supposed to be playing (making music). But now I am starting to understand the power of the ability to view my patterns on a huge screen, and piano roll and stuff which can be a huge benefit. These are things you can't do on the CS. </p>
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Usually when I'm recording I just do live sets into audacity or a minidisc recorder... but i've been looking into possibly trying to integrate my computer. I have reason 5, I have a demo or renoise, I still keep hearing that if you want to be pro you need to get ableton live... which is both attractive and unattractive about it. </div>
<div>I have also been hearing good things about the Nuendo, pro tools, peak, cubase. I have a little bit of experience with digital performer, but not enough to make me want to use it. lol.</div><div>What's up DAW users give me the lowdown! Maybe this should be a new thread. </div>
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<p>Oh ok, now I see why you're using MidiYoke. The apps are fighting over the midi ports. I ran into this in the past. One c-blocks the other as they're jockeying for resources the whole time and one falls off. I gotcha now. <br>
<br>Neat stuff, but I am not feeling the integration. That's just me tho. If I were to use a full blown DAW than I would just get a midi controller and leave the CS off the chain. I think it complicates things. Atleast at this point. I'll probably get bored and try and jack with it later. Right now tho, I am not feeling it. <br>
<br>FL Studio was worse by the way. <br></p><div><div></div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:44 PM, stimresp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stimresp@..." target="_blank">stimresp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>Make sure you are in multi mode and that rechannelize is off (both in the MIDI menu).</p><div><br>
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--- In <a href="mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">xl7@yahoogroups.com</a>, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:<br>
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> I am going to try it in FL Studio and report back.<br>
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> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:30 PM, stimresp <stimresp@...> wrote:<br>
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> > I posted a reply earlier but it seems to have been lost. Anyway, the gist<br>
> > was:<br>
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> > Using 'first note record' and quantize off you can record multichannel<br>
> > data, in real time + automation, from your DAW into a single multichannel<br>
> > track (set to Multi-A), copy to clipboard, then 'explode to tracks'.<br>
> > Don't have the CS in front of me to check, but this has worked for me.<br>
> ><br>
> > Another possible solution is detailed here:<br>
> > <a href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175" target="_blank">http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/21175</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers,<br>
> > J<br>
> ><br></div>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:xl7%40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">xl7@yahoogroups.com</a> <xl7%<a href="http://40yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">40yahoogroups.com</a>>, Bruno <brunorc@><div><div></div>
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> > wrote:<br>
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> > > W dniu 31 stycznia 2011 19:14 u¿ytkownik James Ulibarri<br>
> > > <jamesulibarri@> napisa³:<br>
> ><br>
> > > > All this stuff works great on paper, and theoretically it's supposed to<br>
> > do this or that.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 1. Install MIDI Yoke (a "virtual MIDI cable", which connects one<br>
> > > software to another).<br>
> > > 2. Get your stuff done in Ableton.<br>
> > > 3. Install any other MIDI sequencer that can record multitrack - I<br>
> > > think Smasher would do (it's free and seems interesting on its own),<br>
> > > but you can use anything else. I would (personally) use my old,<br>
> > > venerable Cakewalk 3.0 - no multitrack, but you can easily do "split<br>
> > > by channel" later.<br>
> > > 4. Connect the output of Ableton to MIDI Yoke, then use it as input<br>
> > > for Another Sequencer (AS).<br>
> > > 5. Set AS to be a MIDI slave - external MIDI Clock etc.<br>
> > > 6. Set Ableton to transmit MTC (MIDI Time Code), so you can press<br>
> > > Record in AS and it won't start recording until you press Play in<br>
> > > Ableton.<br>
> > > 7. Record MIDI in AS, export to multitrack MIDI file.<br>
> > > 8. Upload thru Eloader and enjoy.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Yeah, there's some hassle involved. But once you get this procedure<br>
> > > working, it will be a no-brainer. And if you find Ableton more<br>
> > > powerful than CS in building patterns, I think it's worth of one day<br>
> > > spent on getting those things rolling.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Cheers,<br>
> > > Bruno<br>
> > ><br>
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