thanks for the feedback. yes, we're on the same page now. originally, yeah i had asked about certain notes, but the conversation morphed into track delay actually. sorry, that was my fault. and i was learning along the way as i started my rapid fire of questions.
ok the ppqn stuff really does my head in to be honest. maybe you could break it down if you read my response that Duncan started called Schaltwerk. you don't have to know the total ins and outs of that machine, but just the theory behind it. it had Track Delay, just as the CS has Scale/Shift start time adjustment. now the Schaltwerk had delay values ranging from 1/32 up to 7/32... and you had a large data wheel to scroll through to select those values. ok... pretty straight forward. Now... say one of CS users what's to do the same thing right? but the CS is set up in the Bar:Beat:Tick format right? So how would we translate that kind of fixed delay in our Command Stations? that';s all my question is.
On page, 78 of the .pdf for the PX-7 for the Scale/Shift start time facility it mentions the Scale parameters... and it has adjustable ratios. now to make things even more convusing it has weird parameters such as 2/3, 4/3, 5/3, 8/3,10/3, 20/3. i don't even remember seeing those. that must be available by scrolling past 100% or before 0.
my PX-7 is having surgery so i don't have it in front of me.
let me know if you have any feedback, or a translation of those values since you have the ppq thing down
thank you
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:27 AM, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
I haven't read all of the nitty gritty details in this thread, but I something is unclear. Correct me if I am wrong, originally the goal was to shift only certain notes (e.g., even numbered notes) by a set amount. Then, the goal was to just shift an entire track forward or backward. Is this correct?
If its the latter, I would think that SCALE/SFIT START TIMES would be the correct tool. If that it, it looks like the E-Mu sequencer uses 384 divisions ber measure or 96 ppq, 48 pp8th, 24 pp16th, 12 pp32nd, 6 pp64th, etc.
If you want to just shift some notes (e.g., every other note, I do believe you'd have to do that by hand. It may be time consuming to scroll through all the notes in a pattern and tweak them individually, but it can be done with near microscopic precision.
Again, I am not sure I understand the current goal, but I hope this helps.
Steve> 2011/1/21 Szõnyi András
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, James Ulibarri wrote:
>
> dude, why would a cut and paste utility help me nudge a track to play early
> or late?
>
> anways, i called Forat in LA and he said he knows what i am talking about.
> on an MPC you can swing notes both *early* and *late*. and i think there is
> different levels of this. i don't remember on my mpc-3000.
>
> ok, narrowing down further on my original question. in the Shift section
> of the CS, when a person is looking at the Bar:Beat:Tick section....Forat
> said what i am try to do has to do with the sequencer's timing resolution
> (ppq). and it takes a little math to figure out how to delay a track to the
> values i am trying to do.
>
> ok, i just found it online. i knew i wasn't smokin crack!! i'm a little
> surprised that this has never been discussed before. what the heck are you
> guys doing out there with your command stations? :)
>
> here is what i am saying to a tee...
>
> http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=274872&sid=8805545cd5cea257a2764d43d8539a0c
>
> bingo. figure this out and you have shuffle for days.
>;
>> > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Szõnyi András 40c3.hu>>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What about to cut and paste that track?
> >; You can define where (which track, which bar - you may have to alter the
> > length of a bar) to paste.
> > http://www.emu.com/support/files/storage/XL7Op-F.pdf
> > 82. cut / 84. paste page (by the PDF).
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > > Besides all I am trying to do is nudge the track forwards and backwords
> > (in
> > > the studio) by a fixed amount with intent.
> > > But in the Schaltwerk you can delay a track by 1/16ths and 1/32nds.
> > > But that machine is gone. Although I may have a lead on another.
> > > And that's what I am after here. How to nudge/push a CS track in the same
> >
> > > way. I will just mess with it next weekend but the CS's Shift section is
> > > all I am trying to sort through in my head.
> > > What value with the data wheel will achieve a 1/16, 1/32, 1/64 nudge
> > > backwards (delay) in Emu's way of working?
> > >
> > > In this case it is an exact science, but i'm banging my head against the
> > > wall. It does work but what values equal what?
> > >;
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Excuse me for this rude question, but are you editing your
> > >> patterns on stage, in a live-perfomance-situation or
> > >> you just want to realize everything by the CS?
> > >> I mean, isn't it easier to edit these bits/notes in a DAW
> > >> and download/upload back the pattern to the CS?
> > >>
> > >> If the CS is the only "sequencer" part of your setup (without any
> > >> computer), I understand the thread...
> > >>
> > >> ...And one more thing I really sorry about: to jump in step or grid
> > >> recording mode, the sequence must be stopped. :(
> > >>
>; > >> Andrew
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, James Ulibarri wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> anyways.
> > >>>
> > >>> Atom - "i don't spend time in step mode, but in "Grid Record" you can
> > edit
> > >>> the
> > >>> gate time for each note. pg 70-71 (pdf 82-83)."
> > >>>
> > >>> actually messing with that parameter just changes the duration of the
> > >>> note/step. i was talking offsetting or initiating delay or pre-delay or
> > >>> pushing and pulling that particular track. no you cannot drill down on
> > a
> > >>> note and move that actual step. it's not possible on the CS.
> > >>> but if you want to shift a whole entire track you can, but not one step
> > in
> > >>> particular.
> > >>>
> > >>> my PX-7 is having some surgery done and it won't be back in my paws
> > till
> > >>> next weekend. so I'm remembering playing with Shift and then having all
> >
> > >>> the
> > >>> parameters parameters to move the track back or forward. i guess it's
> > cool
> > >>> that it's so finite, but i wish there was a way to be able to move it
> > >>> 1/32nds or 1/16th's in delay verses having the whole bar:beat:tick
> > >>> parameters in front of me.
> > >>>
> > >>> this is how you create shuffle if you program on even notes, such as
> > >>> 2,4.6,
> > >>> etc by track shifting (or delaying the track). so my question is....
> > what
> > >>> actually are the values when playing with the data encoder? i hate it
> > when
> > >>> i cannot figure stuff by myself quickly. so pushing an entire measure
> > >>> would
> > >>> be equivalent to what? does anyone have a break down of what the CS is
> > >>> doing? sorry, i wouldn't have to ask if my unit was next to me.
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
>