Whew! Glad I could finally make my point, James.
FWIW I just picked up Emulator X3 ... again about migrating to 64 bit ... for $184.00 on Amazon. It includes the about 30GB of banks including the entire Xtreme Lead and Studio Grand, as well as parts of most of the other ROMs. If it's end of line, even though E-mu denies it is, the price will probably drop some more.
The main reason I prefer it to anyother softsampler is the way it works with the 3 part navigation tree on the left and the good sized window to the right where you work. Unlike Kontakt where you are always scrolling or hitting buttons to get different views, in Emulator X you simply click on the bank, preset with exploding 3 sub parts of voices. link or processing, sample in the sample pool and .. voila ... immediately your looking at your targeted work area.
Want to make a layered sample preset? Takes literally less than a minute with select the first preset's link window, click to add link, go in the drop down box and select another preset (or 3 or 4) and then keyboard split/ fade and velocity fade to taste. All done. Click one button to save it as a new preset. C'mon, you can't beat it!
DF
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--- On Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 2:58 PM
Ok, I see your point on the Emulator X being a real sampler now.
That makes sense. You're using it as a real sampler then.
You don't really need anyone's help here. Respect on the RME!
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:47 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
OK, James, for giggles I'll layout my basic setup. Thanks for the Emusonacid ... I'll check it out. But I still think you're underestimating Emulator X viz. Sound Forge, WaveLab or whatever. Record the sample; Emulator X chops it, pitch detects it and places it on the correct pitch key and, if you ask nicely, also spreads it up, down or up and down to the next sample on the keyboard ... about 95% accurately. Maybe need to move the loop end position a tad sometimes. I don't get any of that out of my wav editors.
I've got Mackie 624 monitors ... my admitted weak link ... in an acoustically treated studio, RME Multiface II interface with optical in from a Mackie ONYX 800 piping my hardware synths. As far as what Kontakt sounds like, yes, unaffected it has a warmer tone than Emulator X ... but by the time I route through my UAD2 cards in the Cubase mixer, either or any softsynth can sound very, very different. Throw in some native effects and adjust to taste.
I think you are focusing, and I agree it is a legitimate point of focus, on the sound produced by the hardware or software. I am focused on the variety of sounds that can be brought to the project with ease and precision, and then the sound produced in the mix. And that's why I am not concerned exactly how the sampler 'natively' sounds as much as I am in its ease of use and power for creating the voice/ instrument I want.
DF
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--- On Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 2:29 PM
If you found a tool that works for you then honestly I'm stoked for you. Don't listen to me or anyone else. Do what you gotta do. It's definitely powerful and is packed with a ton of bells and whistles. To my knowledge there really isn't any power users on this list that I am aware of. For whatever reason there seems to be a bigger following in the UK and they seem to hang out on the Emusonacid forum.
Regarding Kontakt not being a sampler. What would one be missing by using Sound Forge or Adobe Audition to simply record an incoming wave an import it into Kontakt? That's not much of a feature there for arguments sake in defense of Emulator X.
And if you have been with Kontakt ever since it's first release... can't you hear the difference verses Emulator X? What monitors do you have?
As they say if you're gonna run software get the most fastest computer you can afford with the most ram and the biggest hardrive. So you're doing the right thing. :) My bad if I harshed your party.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@yahoo.com> wrote:
James ... I think most people would be offended when someone makes a categorical statement that they are, in the other person's opinion, doing something to the neglect of something else on the basis of an assumption on the part of the categorizing individual..
But me, not, too. ... and your apology is appreciated.
However, I wonder if you really read my last post regarding manipulation of digital audio in a studio context?
You are overlooking one giant issue: Kontakt is not a sampler, Emulator X is. Kontakt can manipulate imported samples and play them back ... it cannot sample. Having used Kontakt since the original version up to Kontakt III, I have a good opinion of it and understand why so many 3rd party rompler suppliers use the Kontakt II player.
However, as far as importing samples, setting up one shot banks, chopping a vocal for midi, etc., I find the Emulator X to have ... in my view and experience ... a much superior interface and workflow to Kontakt with all that scrolling around to get anywhere. But, obviously, others may see it differently.
As far as E-mu going out of business or having soon to be obsolete products, what does that have to do with the price of your Emulator II +? As I'm sure we'd agree, if something works for you, doesn't matter what happens to the company ... as long as your not in need of an 8x8 midi junction box and there are no 64 bit drivers. ;)
DF
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--- On Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 1:56 PM
I am not being arrogant. All I am saying is that keep in mind sound, not specs. Your Emulator X software with the 64 bit OS crushes the Emulator EII+ on paper, but in sonics I think there is a ton to be desired. You're using basically a server computer that a medium sized call center would use... to make music on? Remember you're a musician, not an IT technician. (you may be in real life.. I don't know). All that triggered from the Command Station? Bottom line, it's overkill. Besides, Kontakt sounds better than Emulator X. Ask anyone. The filters crack and sound way to digital and thin on the Creative software. The code is too thick and there is way too much going on there. I'll use it from time to time if I need an icey cold patch of samples for an ambient track. In fact I prefer the sound of Kontakt 2 verses the latest version. There is slight hardware sound to Kontakt II over Kontakt 4. If you're gonna make
music for a living and tour the world, and spend the big money, I know that guys like Kaskade, Dead Mouse, Luisine, are using Fruity Loops Studio, and Ableton. I think most people agree that they won't mess with Creative's Emulator X. Besides Emu won't even be around in a couple years. They released their numbers publicly and they didn't even make $200K for the quarter for 4 quarters in a row. Notice their products just falling offline more and more. It's a dying division for Creative.
Sorry, if I offended you. Have you thought about getting Emu Ultra sampler?
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
Hunh? Whence this arrogance?
I just asked for a recommendation and when asked why I was upgrading my OS, tried to answer? I'm not trying to waste my time with a software vs. hardware flame out.
You should know digital audio is pure. That's why people spend so much time time trying to tweak it to recreate that pleasing analog harmonic distortion.
I can make the output of your Emulator II + or the Emulator X sound like anything I want.
If your point is that for live performance piped right to an amp of mixing console your Emulator II + will sound better than the Emulator X piped straight out of a computer, I'd agree with you.
But if you're trying to say that the Emulator II + is superior to the Emulator X for sampling, sample editing and preset building, ... once proper AD/DA conversion is in place ... I don't think you know what your are talking about.
I'm glad the Emulator II + works well for you. But for studio production work the Emulator X works much better for me.
DF
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--- On Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@gmail.com> wrote:
From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:48 PM
You're all caught up in specs. It's just numbers on paper. What about the sound?
There is nothing "Emulator" about the Emulator X software. It sounds like ass. It's thin and plastic sounding, and the absolute the most coldest sounding soft sampler out there. So having one of these Dell's with one of these crazy processors and gobs of ram doesn't even matter if the application sucks and sounds poor and unauthentic.
I'll put my 8-bit Emulator II+ against any Creative piece of software (Emulator X) in a sound test any day. What you'll get is a full analog path of the Emulator II verses some software that specs out like crazy, but really is one nasty sounding software program. I have the software so I know. The old E-MU hardware days are gone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxOhnL7pjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpWdxW1K0M&feature=related
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:
2010/12/4 Matt <somatt@...>
> well, it seems that the industry wants us to go all software in the future... but if you have the money for a octacore with 192gb of ram, then why not buy the full timepiece av?
True :-)
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>> Yes ... 64 bit OS on PC means virtually unlimited access to RAM. Dell is selling Windows 7 Octacore Servers with 192 GB of RAM installed. Layered samples, anyone?
Actually, I keep one 1GB/0.9GHz PC with XP - only to do MIDI things. I
can always use any other machine with whatever MIDI interface as a
slave. But I don't use VSTis, only hardware.
>> Under XP there is a maximum of 4 GB of RAM available to the system, about 1.2 of which is normally reserved by Windows
False. Only 182 MB with Reaper already launched. No eyecandy, no
fancy-shmancy stuff. XP is bloated out of the box, but can be
optimized to the bone.
>> Even running 32 bit programs under 64 bit is a huge improvement
False, unless they need to address huge memory areas - I can agree in
case of VSTi samplers, though. And usually they run as separate
processes anyway, so they have ther 4GBs.
Not everything a company says about their products is true. And the
example with samplers/sound modules just shows the case very well. Our
new product is better mostly because we want to sell it. The truth is,
that people tend to love obsoleted synths, sound modules and
sequencers mostly because they don't crash so often and don't force
you to throw pornographic amount of cash to upgrade. And 90% of this
whole 64bit hype remainds me the new, improved Whizzo butter
("containing 10% more or less is absolutely indistinguishable from a
dead crab"). OK, enough ranting, let's go to the merit:
Just wait with your migration to Windows 7 until MOTU ships their new
Timepiece to the sellers :-)
Regards, BrunoMessage
Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
2010-12-04 by D F Tweedie