Re: emus on acid: Checking this out thank you.
On Dec 4, 2010 2:29 PM, "James Ulibarri" <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:
> If you found a tool that works for you then honestly I'm stoked for you.
> Don't listen to me or anyone else. Do what you gotta do. It's definitely
> powerful and is packed with a ton of bells and whistles. To my knowledge
> there really isn9;t any power users on this list that I am aware of. For
> whatever reason there seems to be a bigger following in the UK and they seem
>; to hang out on the Emusonacid forum.
>
> Regarding Kontakt not being a sampler. What would one be missing by using
> Sound Forge or Adobe Audition to simply record an incoming wave an import it
> into Kontakt? That's not much of a feature there for arguments sake in
> defense of Emulator X.
> And if you have been with Kontakt ever since it's first release... can't you
> hear the difference verses Emulator X? What monitors do you have?
>
> As they say if you're gonna run software get the most fastest computer you
> can afford with the most ram and the biggest hardrive. So you're doing the
> right thing. :) My bad if I harshed your party.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James ... I think most people would be offended when someone makes a
>> categorical statement that they are, in the other person's opinion, doing
>> something to the neglect of something else on the basis of an assumption on
>> the part of the categorizing individual..
>>
>> But me, not, too. ... and your apology is appreciated.
>>
>> However, I wonder if you really read my last post regarding manipulation of
>> digital audio in a studio context?
>>
>> You are overlooking one giant issue: Kontakt is not a sampler, Emulator X
>> is. Kontakt can manipulate imported samples and play them back ... it cannot
>> sample. Having used Kontakt since the original version up to Kontakt III, I
>> have a good opinion of it and understand why so many 3rd party rompler
>> suppliers use the Kontakt II player.
>>
>> However, as far as importing samples, setting up one shot banks, chopping a
>> vocal for midi, etc., I find the Emulator X to have ... in my view and
>> experience ... a much superior interface and workflow to Kontakt with all
>> that scrolling around to get anywhere. But, obviously, others may see it
>> differently.
>>
>> As far as E-mu going out of business or having soon to be obsolete
>> products, what does that have to do with the price of your Emulator II +? As
>> I'm sure we'd agree, if something works for you, doesn't matter what happens
>> to the company ... as long as your not in need of an 8x8 midi junction box
>> and there are no 64 bit drivers. ;)
>>
>> DF
>>
>>
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain
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>>
>> --- On *Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>> Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 1:56 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not being arrogant. All I am saying is that keep in mind *sound*,
>> not specs. Your Emulator X software with the 64 bit OS crushes the Emulator
>> EII+ on paper, but in sonics I think there is a ton to be desired. You're
>> using basically a server computer that a medium sized call center would
>> use... to make music on? Remember you're a musician, not an IT technician.
>> (you may be in real life.. I don't know). All that triggered from the
>> Command Station? Bottom line, it's overkill. Besides, Kontakt sounds
>> better than Emulator X. Ask anyone. The filters crack and sound way to
>> digital and thin on the Creative software. The code is too thick and there
>> is way too much going on there. I'll use it from time to time if I need an
>> icey cold patch of samples for an ambient track. In fact I prefer the sound
>> of Kontakt 2 verses the latest version. There is slight hardware sound to
>> Kontakt II over Kontakt 4. If you're gonna make music for a living and
>> tour the world, and spend the big money, I know that guys like Kaskade, Dead
>> Mouse, Luisine, are using Fruity Loops Studio, and Ableton. I think most
>> people agree that they won't mess with Creative's Emulator X. Besides Emu
>>; won't even be around in a couple years. They released their numbers
>> publicly and they didn't even make $200K for the quarter for 4 quarters in a
>> row. Notice their products just falling offline more and more. It's a
>> dying division for Creative.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, if I offended you. Have you thought about getting Emu Ultra
>> sampler?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bienpegaito@...>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hunh? Whence this arrogance?
>>
>> I just asked for a recommendation and when asked why I was upgrading my OS,
>> tried to answer? I9;m not trying to waste my time with a software vs.
>> hardware flame out.
>>
>> You should know digital audio is pure. That's why people spend so much time
>> time trying to tweak it to recreate that pleasing analog harmonic
>> distortion.
>>
>> I can make the output of your Emulator II + or the Emulator X sound like
>> anything I want.
>>
>> If your point is that for live performance piped right to an amp of mixing
>> console your Emulator II + will sound better than the Emulator X piped
>> straight out of a computer, I'd agree with you.
>>;
>> But if you're trying to say that the Emulator II + is superior to the
>> Emulator X for sampling, sample editing and preset building, ... once proper
>> AD/DA conversion is in place ... I don't think you know what your are
>> talking about.
>> I'm glad the Emulator II + works well for you. But for studio production
>> work the Emulator X works much better for me.
>>
>> DF
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain
>> confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use
>> of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or
>> disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the
>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the
>> communication.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...m<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jamesulibarri@...>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jamesulibarri@...>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xl7@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:48 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> You're all caught up in specs. It's just numbers on paper. What about
>> the sound?
>>
>> There is nothing "Emulator" about the Emulator X software. It sounds like
>> ass. It's thin and plastic sounding, and the absolute the most coldest
>> sounding soft sampler out there. So having one of these Dell's with one of
>> these crazy processors and gobs of ram doesn't even matter if the
>> application sucks and sounds poor and unauthentic.
>>
>> I'll put my 8-bit Emulator II+ against any Creative piece of software
>> (Emulator X) in a sound test any day. What you'll get is a full analog path
>> of the Emulator II verses some software that specs out like crazy, but
>> really is one nasty sounding software program. I have the software so I
>> know. The old E-MU hardware days are gone.
>;>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxOhnL7pjs
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpWdxW1K0M&feature=related
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Bruno <brunorc@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brunorc@...>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2010/12/4 Matt <somatt@gmail.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=somatt%40gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>> > well, it seems that the industry wants us to go all software in the
>> future... but if you have the money for a octacore with 192gb of ram, then
>> why not buy the full timepiece av?
>>
>> True :-)
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@yahoo.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bienpegaito%40yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >> Yes ... 64 bit OS on PC means virtually unlimited access to RAM. Dell is
>> selling Windows 7 Octacore Servers with 192 GB of RAM installed. Layered
>> samples, anyone?
>>
>> Actually, I keep one 1GB/0.9GHz PC with XP - only to do MIDI things. I
>> can always use any other machine with whatever MIDI interface as a
>> slave. But I don't use VSTis, only hardware.
>>
>>
>> >> Under XP there is a maximum of 4 GB of RAM available to the system,
>> about 1.2 of which is normally reserved by Windows
>>
>> False. Only 182 MB with Reaper already launched. No eyecandy, no
>> fancy-shmancy stuff. XP is bloated out of the box, but can be
>> optimized to the bone.
>>
>>
>> >> Even running 32 bit programs under 64 bit is a huge improvement
>>
>> False, unless they need to address huge memory areas - I can agree in
>> case of VSTi samplers, though. And usually they run as separate
>> processes anyway, so they have ther 4GBs.
>>
>> Not everything a company says about their products is true. And the
>> example with samplers/sound modules just shows the case very well. Our
>> new product is better mostly because we want to sell it. The truth is,
>> that people tend to love obsoleted synths, sound modules and
>> sequencers mostly because they don't crash so often and don't force
>> you to throw pornographic amount of cash to upgrade. And 90% of this
>> whole 64bit hype remainds me the new, improved Whizzo butter
>> ("containing 10% more or less is absolutely indistinguishable from a
>> dead crab"). OK, enough ranting, let's go to the merit:
>>
>> Just wait with your migration to Windows 7 until MOTU ships their new
>> Timepiece to the sellers :-)
>>
>> Regards, Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you found a tool that works for you then honestly I'm stoked for you.
> Don't listen to me or anyone else. Do what you gotta do. It's definitely
> powerful and is packed with a ton of bells and whistles. To my knowledge
> there really isn9;t any power users on this list that I am aware of. For
> whatever reason there seems to be a bigger following in the UK and they seem
>; to hang out on the Emusonacid forum.
>
> Regarding Kontakt not being a sampler. What would one be missing by using
> Sound Forge or Adobe Audition to simply record an incoming wave an import it
> into Kontakt? That's not much of a feature there for arguments sake in
> defense of Emulator X.
> And if you have been with Kontakt ever since it's first release... can't you
> hear the difference verses Emulator X? What monitors do you have?
>
> As they say if you're gonna run software get the most fastest computer you
> can afford with the most ram and the biggest hardrive. So you're doing the
> right thing. :) My bad if I harshed your party.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:12 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James ... I think most people would be offended when someone makes a
>> categorical statement that they are, in the other person's opinion, doing
>> something to the neglect of something else on the basis of an assumption on
>> the part of the categorizing individual..
>>
>> But me, not, too. ... and your apology is appreciated.
>>
>> However, I wonder if you really read my last post regarding manipulation of
>> digital audio in a studio context?
>>
>> You are overlooking one giant issue: Kontakt is not a sampler, Emulator X
>> is. Kontakt can manipulate imported samples and play them back ... it cannot
>> sample. Having used Kontakt since the original version up to Kontakt III, I
>> have a good opinion of it and understand why so many 3rd party rompler
>> suppliers use the Kontakt II player.
>>
>> However, as far as importing samples, setting up one shot banks, chopping a
>> vocal for midi, etc., I find the Emulator X to have ... in my view and
>> experience ... a much superior interface and workflow to Kontakt with all
>> that scrolling around to get anywhere. But, obviously, others may see it
>> differently.
>>
>> As far as E-mu going out of business or having soon to be obsolete
>> products, what does that have to do with the price of your Emulator II +? As
>> I'm sure we'd agree, if something works for you, doesn't matter what happens
>> to the company ... as long as your not in need of an 8x8 midi junction box
>> and there are no 64 bit drivers. ;)
>>
>> DF
>>
>>
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain
>> confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use
>> of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or
>> disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the
>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the
>> communication.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>
>> Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 1:56 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not being arrogant. All I am saying is that keep in mind *sound*,
>> not specs. Your Emulator X software with the 64 bit OS crushes the Emulator
>> EII+ on paper, but in sonics I think there is a ton to be desired. You're
>> using basically a server computer that a medium sized call center would
>> use... to make music on? Remember you're a musician, not an IT technician.
>> (you may be in real life.. I don't know). All that triggered from the
>> Command Station? Bottom line, it's overkill. Besides, Kontakt sounds
>> better than Emulator X. Ask anyone. The filters crack and sound way to
>> digital and thin on the Creative software. The code is too thick and there
>> is way too much going on there. I'll use it from time to time if I need an
>> icey cold patch of samples for an ambient track. In fact I prefer the sound
>> of Kontakt 2 verses the latest version. There is slight hardware sound to
>> Kontakt II over Kontakt 4. If you're gonna make music for a living and
>> tour the world, and spend the big money, I know that guys like Kaskade, Dead
>> Mouse, Luisine, are using Fruity Loops Studio, and Ableton. I think most
>> people agree that they won't mess with Creative's Emulator X. Besides Emu
>>; won't even be around in a couple years. They released their numbers
>> publicly and they didn't even make $200K for the quarter for 4 quarters in a
>> row. Notice their products just falling offline more and more. It's a
>> dying division for Creative.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, if I offended you. Have you thought about getting Emu Ultra
>> sampler?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bienpegaito@...>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hunh? Whence this arrogance?
>>
>> I just asked for a recommendation and when asked why I was upgrading my OS,
>> tried to answer? I9;m not trying to waste my time with a software vs.
>> hardware flame out.
>>
>> You should know digital audio is pure. That's why people spend so much time
>> time trying to tweak it to recreate that pleasing analog harmonic
>> distortion.
>>
>> I can make the output of your Emulator II + or the Emulator X sound like
>> anything I want.
>>
>> If your point is that for live performance piped right to an amp of mixing
>> console your Emulator II + will sound better than the Emulator X piped
>> straight out of a computer, I'd agree with you.
>>;
>> But if you're trying to say that the Emulator II + is superior to the
>> Emulator X for sampling, sample editing and preset building, ... once proper
>> AD/DA conversion is in place ... I don't think you know what your are
>> talking about.
>> I'm glad the Emulator II + works well for you. But for studio production
>> work the Emulator X works much better for me.
>>
>> DF
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain
>> confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use
>> of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or
>> disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the
>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the
>> communication.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...m<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jamesulibarri@...>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jamesulibarri@...>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
>> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=xl7@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:48 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> You're all caught up in specs. It's just numbers on paper. What about
>> the sound?
>>
>> There is nothing "Emulator" about the Emulator X software. It sounds like
>> ass. It's thin and plastic sounding, and the absolute the most coldest
>> sounding soft sampler out there. So having one of these Dell's with one of
>> these crazy processors and gobs of ram doesn't even matter if the
>> application sucks and sounds poor and unauthentic.
>>
>> I'll put my 8-bit Emulator II+ against any Creative piece of software
>> (Emulator X) in a sound test any day. What you'll get is a full analog path
>> of the Emulator II verses some software that specs out like crazy, but
>> really is one nasty sounding software program. I have the software so I
>> know. The old E-MU hardware days are gone.
>;>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxOhnL7pjs
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpWdxW1K0M&feature=related
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Bruno <brunorc@...<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brunorc@...>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2010/12/4 Matt <somatt@gmail.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=somatt%40gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>> > well, it seems that the industry wants us to go all software in the
>> future... but if you have the money for a octacore with 192gb of ram, then
>> why not buy the full timepiece av?
>>
>> True :-)
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@yahoo.com<http://us.mc314.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bienpegaito%40yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >> Yes ... 64 bit OS on PC means virtually unlimited access to RAM. Dell is
>> selling Windows 7 Octacore Servers with 192 GB of RAM installed. Layered
>> samples, anyone?
>>
>> Actually, I keep one 1GB/0.9GHz PC with XP - only to do MIDI things. I
>> can always use any other machine with whatever MIDI interface as a
>> slave. But I don't use VSTis, only hardware.
>>
>>
>> >> Under XP there is a maximum of 4 GB of RAM available to the system,
>> about 1.2 of which is normally reserved by Windows
>>
>> False. Only 182 MB with Reaper already launched. No eyecandy, no
>> fancy-shmancy stuff. XP is bloated out of the box, but can be
>> optimized to the bone.
>>
>>
>> >> Even running 32 bit programs under 64 bit is a huge improvement
>>
>> False, unless they need to address huge memory areas - I can agree in
>> case of VSTi samplers, though. And usually they run as separate
>> processes anyway, so they have ther 4GBs.
>>
>> Not everything a company says about their products is true. And the
>> example with samplers/sound modules just shows the case very well. Our
>> new product is better mostly because we want to sell it. The truth is,
>> that people tend to love obsoleted synths, sound modules and
>> sequencers mostly because they don't crash so often and don't force
>> you to throw pornographic amount of cash to upgrade. And 90% of this
>> whole 64bit hype remainds me the new, improved Whizzo butter
>> ("containing 10% more or less is absolutely indistinguishable from a
>> dead crab"). OK, enough ranting, let's go to the merit:
>>
>> Just wait with your migration to Windows 7 until MOTU ships their new
>> Timepiece to the sellers :-)
>>
>> Regards, Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>