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I am not being arrogant. All I am saying is that keep in mind sound, not specs. Your Emulator X software with the 64 bit OS crushes the Emulator EII+ on paper, but in sonics I think there is a ton to be desired. You're using basically a server computer that a medium sized call center would use... to make music on? Remember you're a musician, not an IT technician. (you may be in real life.. I don't know). All that triggered from the Command Station? Bottom line, it's overkill. Besides, Kontakt sounds better than Emulator X. Ask anyone. The filters crack and sound way to digital and thin on the Creative software. The code is too thick and there is way too much going on there. I'll use it from time to time if I need an icey cold patch of samples for an ambient track. In fact I prefer the sound of Kontakt 2 verses the latest version. There is slight hardware sound to Kontakt II over Kontakt 4. If you're gonna make music for a living and tour the world, and spend the big money, I know that guys like Kaskade, Dead Mouse, Luisine, are using Fruity Loops Studio, and Ableton. I think most people agree that they won't mess with Creative's Emulator X. Besides Emu won't even be around in a couple years. They released their numbers publicly and they didn't even make $200K for the quarter for 4 quarters in a row. Notice their products just falling offline more and more. It's a dying division for Creative.

Sorry, if I offended you. Have you thought about getting Emu Ultra sampler?

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:

Hunh? Whence this arrogance?

I just asked for a recommendation and when asked why I was upgrading my OS, tried to answer? I'm not trying to waste my time with a software vs. hardware flame out.

You should know digital audio is pure. That's why people spend so much time time trying to tweak it to recreate that pleasing analog harmonic distortion.

I can make the output of your Emulator II + or the Emulator X sound like anything I want.

If your point is that for live performance piped right to an amp of mixing console your Emulator II + will sound better than the Emulator X piped straight out of a computer, I'd agree with you.

But if you're trying to say that the Emulator II + is superior to the Emulator X for sampling, sample editing and preset building, ... once proper AD/DA conversion is in place ... I don't think you know what your are talking about.

I'm glad the Emulator II + works well for you. But for studio production work the Emulator X works much better for me.

DF
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--- On Sat, 12/4/10, James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...> wrote:

From: James Ulibarri <jamesulibarri@...>

Subject: Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 12:48 PM

You're all caught up in specs. It's just numbers on paper. What about the sound?

There is nothing "Emulator" about the Emulator X software. It sounds like ass. It's thin and plastic sounding, and the absolute the most coldest sounding soft sampler out there. So having one of these Dell's with one of these crazy processors and gobs of ram doesn't even matter if the application sucks and sounds poor and unauthentic.

I'll put my 8-bit Emulator II+ against any Creative piece of software (Emulator X) in a sound test any day. What you'll get is a full analog path of the Emulator II verses some software that specs out like crazy, but really is one nasty sounding software program. I have the software so I know. The old E-MU hardware days are gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxOhnL7pjs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpWdxW1K0M&feature=related

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:

2010/12/4 Matt <somatt@...>

> well, it seems that the industry wants us to go all software in the future... but if you have the money for a octacore with 192gb of ram, then why not buy the full timepiece av?

True :-)

> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:41 AM, D F Tweedie <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
>> Yes ... 64 bit OS on PC means virtually unlimited access to RAM. Dell is selling Windows 7 Octacore Servers with 192 GB of RAM installed. Layered samples, anyone?

Actually, I keep one 1GB/0.9GHz PC with XP - only to do MIDI things. I
can always use any other machine with whatever MIDI interface as a
slave. But I don't use VSTis, only hardware.

>> Under XP there is a maximum of 4 GB of RAM available to the system, about 1.2 of which is normally reserved by Windows

False. Only 182 MB with Reaper already launched. No eyecandy, no
fancy-shmancy stuff. XP is bloated out of the box, but can be
optimized to the bone.

>> Even running 32 bit programs under 64 bit is a huge improvement

False, unless they need to address huge memory areas - I can agree in
case of VSTi samplers, though. And usually they run as separate
processes anyway, so they have ther 4GBs.

Not everything a company says about their products is true. And the
example with samplers/sound modules just shows the case very well. Our
new product is better mostly because we want to sell it. The truth is,
that people tend to love obsoleted synths, sound modules and
sequencers mostly because they don't crash so often and don't force
you to throw pornographic amount of cash to upgrade. And 90% of this
whole 64bit hype remainds me the new, improved Whizzo butter
("containing 10% more or less is absolutely indistinguishable from a
dead crab"). OK, enough ranting, let's go to the merit:

Just wait with your migration to Windows 7 until MOTU ships their new
Timepiece to the sellers :-)

Regards, Bruno

Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Re: [xl7] Midi Junction Box?

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