ok so i turned RPC on for all channels...but the preset / channel assignments still aren't saved w/ the patterns I still have to use multisetup and every time i change patterns I also have to change the multistep so i get the right sounds w/ the right patterns... wasn't turning all rpc channels to on suppposed to alleviate that? N --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: > > Receive Program Change should be *ON* for all channels. Think of the unit as two devices, a sequencer and a synth. For the synth to change presets, the sequencer needs to send a program change event, and the synth needs to accept it. > > If you've told the synth to ignore program changes, it will happily do so, but then the sequencer's out of luck trying to change it, because you told the synth not to let it. > > You could argue that it shouldn't filter internal MIDI. I'd agree with that argument, but alas, that's not how it works. > > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: dwn4tupac <dwn4tupac@...> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 5:37:09 PM > Subject: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er setup > > I've been doing that too bob now that I know about multi setup. > But why would "receive program change" affect the channel assignments? > I'll try turning it off, but in response to aaron's post. > No, I'm not in song mode, all tracks are assigned their corresponding > channel (ie: track 1 = channel 1 = MIDI track 1, etc), and the midi in > there wasn't put in there, but banged out by yours truly real time like. > > Yes it was used so the "RPC" is probably the issue. > But should it be OFF or ON? > > I guess I'll try both. > > thx again guys > > N > > P.S. Yeah I was pretty upset when i thought that you could only use > multi setups...that would limit the machines to more or less 63 diff > songs total... :( > > P.P.S. Haven't seen aeon flux mainly cuz i don't think it could do the > cartoon wierd justice... > > > . > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Aaron...... > > > > So everyone....turn off "receive program change" unless you want to > do what I have been doeing for years....saving a multi for each > song/pattern configuration ! > > > > > > > > (yes, muuuultipassss, and I do love love that movie....anyone seen > Aeon Flux?) > > > > Bob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> > > >Sent: Jun 17, 2008 11:09 AM > > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er setup > > > > > >Yeah, that would be your problem. Receive Program Change is > another of those vestiges from the Proteus line. It'd probably have > been better to have it not filter the internal program changes, but > alas, it does. Your better solution would be to tell your synth not > to send program changes if you're not using them. > > > > > >-Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > >PS. muuuultipass. > > > > > >----- Original Message ---- > > >From: Bob S. <tttsystems@> > > >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:24:39 AM > > >Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step > > > > > >I am almost certain I have program change set to off (I am not near > the XL7)...because i control the XL7 many times with a synth used both > as a synth and a controller.....otherwise, when I change synth > presets, I will change and loose where I am on the XL7....I supposed I > can see if the synth can have it's "send program changes" turned off..... > > > > > >But that means, that "receive program change is for both external > and internal program changes, not something I was expecting..... > > > > > >Bob > > >El Segundo, CA > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> > > >>Sent: Jun 17, 2008 10:10 AM > > >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step > > >> > > >>Bob, perhaps *you* have "receive program change" off? You > shouldn't need multis. Try restoring the factory multisetup (again, > at location 63) then recording some data in a pattern along with > changing the preset. It should restore. > > >> > > >>-Aaron > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ---- > > >>From: Bob S. <tttsystems@> > > >>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:17:57 AM > > >>Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step > > >> > > >>Hi Aaron > > >> > > >>This sparks my interest as I have not had success either (at least > from what I have tried) in saving the position of presets within a > pattern or song since day one (unless I capture it with a > multi).....even all the factory songs are messed up because they use > my sounds instead of the one associated with the pattern within the > song........can you give us something to try, steps to test if this > feature (pattern storage of preset) is working in our units? Maybe > there is a setting that is wrong in mine also....... > > >> > > >>Bob > > >>El Segundo, CA > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Aaron Eppolito > > >> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:12 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step > > >> > > >> > > >> You don't need multisetups. They're a vestige of the Proteus > series. What they're good for is saving all the *other* settings (like > controller setup, knob assignments, etc). > > >> > > >> From your description, it seems something is wrong. How you've > said it is how it should work. > > >> > > >> I can think of a couple reasons it wouldn't be doing what you > (and I'd) expect. > > >> > > >> First - you're in song mode and you have program change event > source set to song events only. This seems unlikely, since you've only > mentioned pattern mode. > > >> Second - you've changed your pattern assignments such that track > 1 does not route to channel 1. Also unlikely, since you'd be hearing > the wrong preset altogether. > > >> Third - you have "receive program change" turned off in the MIDI > menu. This would explain the problem - especially if this is a used > unit where someone set this. > > >> Fourth - the MIDI loops you put in there already have some > program change info. This wouldn't exactly describe your problem, but > if you dumped some loops from a different sequencer, there could be > some patch change info embedded in there. You can check in the EVENT > viewer in the pattern menu. > > >> > > >> I can't think of any more off hand, but that might get you > started. If this is a newly acquired used unit, the previous owner > might have set some off parameters. You could restore the factory > multisetup (63) in the first page of the Global menu. This will reset > all those parameters to sane values without altering your presets, > patterns or songs. > > >> > > >> Let us know how you get along... > > >> > > >> -Aaron > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ---- > > >> From: dwn4tupac <dwn4tupac@> > > >> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:43:47 PM > > >> Subject: [xl7] Re: multi pass...er step > > >> > > >> I don't think you understand exactly what I was talking about. > > >> I'll try to clarify. > > >> I have midi data on track 1 of pattern1 which I am currently on. > I set > > >> channel 1 to kit 0. I save it. Saves ok. So pattern 1 track 1 should > > >> have a channel 1 of kit 1. > > >> I switch to pattern 2 and have diff drum data on track 1 of > pattern 2. > > >> I set pattern2 track 1 channel 1 to kit 2 and save. Saves ok. > > >> I switch back to pattern 1 track 1 and lo the channel is still > on kit > > >> 2 (was kit 1 when i saved pattern 1). > > >> > > >> Now from what bob's response alluded to the channel assignments are > > >> not saved with patterns, but in the multi step. So in order to > change > > >> the channel setups you have to save them to the multi step and > assign > > >> multi steps to each pattern you want diff sounds with...am i > right so > > >> far bob? > > >> > > >> I did start messing around w/ the multi steps the other day, but > > >> didn't exactly read the manual on what they were I just found > them in > > >> the menu... > > >> > > >> If someone could post real quick how i would assign a given > multi step > > >> to each pattern that would be great. > > >> > > >> thx for all your help and suggestions guys. > > >> > > >> N > > >> > > >> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > If you're changing preset *assignment* (like use preset 7 on track > > >> 1, etc) you need to have data on the track for it to retain the > > >> settings. This is so you can have empty tracks that don't retain > > >> settings (allowing you to devote a channel to playing live where the > > >> sequencer won't touch it). > > >> > > > >> > If you meant that you're editing the preset (like turning the Fc > > >> knob or adjusting an envelope or something) you have to save the > > >> preset. The sequencer won't automatically save the preset for you. > > >> Like Bob is saying, the XL-7 doesn't work the same as a 505 or > > >> something. You store your custom presets in the four user banks of > > >> presets, then the sequencer stores which custom preset you used per > > >> channel. > > >> > > > >> > I think you meant the first (retaining preset *selection*). If so, > > >> just ensure that you have data on the appropriate tracks. Simply > > >> recording a volume event will do the trick. Easiest way is to go > into > > >> step record and wiggle the volume knob for the track or touch the > > >> pitch strip. > > >> > > > >> > -Aaron > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ---- > > >> > From: Bob S. <tttsystems@> > > >> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:03:59 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [xl7] Why do the channel presets stay the same when I > > >> change patterns? > > >> > > > >> > Hello > > >> > > > >> > Not all synths & drum machines are of the same architecture....the > > >> XL7 is more like a synth/sequencer than a drum machine in some > respects. > > >> > > > >> > Presets are not stored in the patterns as they are done, say in a > > >> Roland drum machine. Instead, they are stored in the multi setup. > > >> This is similar to a pure sequencer that does not store what sounds > > >> are used directly in the sequence. In short, the sound/preset > used by > > >> the sequencer/pattern/song must be stored in the multi, located > under > > >> the global menu. If you need to change the "arrangement" of sounds, > > >> then a new "arrangement" is needed and stored in a new multi....this > > >> is in the manual and I hope my explanation clarifies it a bit... > > >> > > > >> > Bob > > >> > El Segundo, CA > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: dwn4tupac > > >> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > >> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:33 PM > > >> > Subject: [xl7] Why do the channel presets stay the same when I > > >> change patterns? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > This is driving me nuts! > > >> > > > >> > I have an xl 7 and have thrown midi drum loops into each of > the first > > >> > 4 empty pattern banks. > > >> > > > >> > I go to the first pattern and change the presets for each of the > > >> > channels then save. > > >> > > > >> > I go to the second pattern and change the presets for each of the > > >> > channels then save that pattern. > > >> > > > >> > When I go back to the first pattern the channel presets are still > > >> > assigned to the presets that I saved for pattern 2. > > >> > > > >> > Is this machine incapable of saving presets assigned to > channels for > > >> > each pattern or what? > > >> > Why are the presets set to the same thing regardless of pattern? > > >> > > > >> > What good are 1024 patterns if the sounds for all of them are > the same > > >> > 32 presets???? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------------ > > >> > > > >> > Yahoo! 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Re: multi pass...er setup
2008-06-23 by dwn4tupac