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Hello Robert,

--- In wiardgroup@y..., "r" <datakult@e...> wrote:
> 
> Curious to hear what you guys think of the ENVELATOR.   I have a 
very
> difficult time getting 'fast' attacks on the thing regardless of 
how I set
> it up...  Was curious if this is *my* problem/ observation as a 
user (there
> is a good possibility im am really looking over something obvious in
> setting up my patch(es)with the Wiard.
> 
> I am aware of the LIN/LOG settings on the Mixolator and its 
relationship to
> perceived attack and "boomy-ness" of the output. I find it is 
difficult to
> get those 'subotnik-esque' fast "plucks".  (Getting the 
general 'sound' is
> very easy....thanks to the wonderful characteristics of the Borg.
> 
> Maybe what I am looking for is the idea behind the Envelooper???
> 
> xox
> r

The minimal time for each Envelator slope is 0.001 seconds/ a 500 
Hertz oscillation. Try to bend the slopes to other shapes (far beyond 
exponential if you wish) by multiplying (correct term for patching 
into a "jack multiple"?) the outputs and feeding them back into the 
slope CV inputs. Note that the CV inputs are exponential (near 1v/o?) 
in the low range but convert to linear at the high end. This is to 
allow a wider range; also Grant says that flexibility at last is more 
important than wide range and ultrafast clicks.

The Buchla 100 series envelopes did probably not yet provide slope 
times any shorter than the Envelator. The solution to your problem I 
can think of is that the Borg filter does not really replace the 
lowpass gating of the Buchla 292 module (would be too difficult to 
integrate with a multimode filter). This is very different from plain 
filtering: not just the acoustic effect, but also the respective CV 
input transform functions to VCF and VCA are quite clever. However, 
this was not yet included in the 100 series, either. I'm taking this 
into account because I'm not aware that Subotnick's later recordings 
deploying the 200 series would show specifically more 
charismatic "pluck" sounds than the first ones.
So Robert, care posting some examplaric sound snippets of Mort and 
yours?

I found that inputting sharp burst signals, triggers best, into 
phasers with lots of feedback/ resonance turned up, makes a brilliant 
plucked sounding percussion noise too. 8 or more stages (poles) 
required, I like 12 best, and negative feedback tends to work better. 
For those who have some Omni Filters to chain, it would be 
interesting to hear some experiments about this. Few phasers provide 
linear FM and 1v/o inputs...

Best regards
Sebastian Kuehnl

Curious to hear what you guys think of the ENVELATOR.   I have a very
difficult time getting 'fast' attacks on the thing regardless of how I set
it up...  Was curious if this is *my* problem/ observation as a user (there
is a good possibility im am really looking over something obvious in
setting up my patch(es)with the Wiard.

I am aware of the LIN/LOG settings on the Mixolator and its relationship to
perceived attack and "boomy-ness" of the output. I find it is difficult to
get those 'subotnik-esque' fast "plucks".  (Getting the general 'sound' is
very easy....thanks to the wonderful characteristics of the Borg.

Maybe what I am looking for is the idea behind the Envelooper???

xox
r

In message <41200184215135300@earthlink.net>, r <datakult@earthlink.net>
writes
>
>Curious to hear what you guys think of the ENVELATOR.   I have a very
>difficult time getting 'fast' attacks on the thing regardless of how I set
>it up...  Was curious if this is *my* problem/ observation as a user (there
>is a good possibility im am really looking over something obvious in
>setting up my patch(es)with the Wiard.
>
One thing I'm curious about concerning thee "envelator" - does it do
that thing you can do w/the modcan dual LFO, where you cross patch them,
so they alternate?  That's a pretty cool one IMO.   

Oh, an intro - I'm a brit prog rocker/electronic musician.  Last time I
checked, I had the only Wiard modules in britain, which is cool in one
way, but pretty lame, really.  I have a borg filter (with fancy engraved
faceplate) abd a sequantiser.  I have the super-omni filter ordered, and
I'm going to get the envelator next.  I also have some Modcan, MOTM,
Serge and Blacet modules.  The blacet panels work particularly well
w/the wiard's, I find.  The other week, I was amazed to discover
something which is probably obvious to a lot of you.  Patching the
Sequantiser and the dual borg together to get a basic, but complete
sequencer/synth combination!   Only a few patchcords too:

VCLFO1 square out -> Sequantiser Clock
VCLFO1 Saw out -> cutoff mod on *both* filters
VCLFO2 saw or square out -> filter 1 in 
filter 1 out -> filter 2 in
filter 2 out -> mixer
sequantiser out -> VCLFO2 1v/oct in
VCLFO1 = low range
VCLFO2 = high range

Right?   VCLFO1's square wave is yr sequencer clock pulse, whilst its
saw wave acts like a preset env. gen for borg filter 1 (set up as VCF to
your taste) and borg filter 2, which you set up as a VCA - IE full mod
depth, LP mode, no resonance.  VCLFO 2 acts as yr audio oscillator, with
its pitch controlled by the sequantiser.   So much fun & functionality
from 2 modules!  Who else's gear can do this?

best etc  
-- 
norman fay

--- In wiardgroup@y..., "r" <datakult@e...> wrote:
> 
> Curious to hear what you guys think of the ENVELATOR.   I 
have a very
> difficult time getting 'fast' attacks on the thing regardless of how 
I set
> it up...  Was curious if this is *my* problem/ observation as a 
user (there
> is a good possibility im am really looking over something 
obvious in
> setting up my patch(es)with the Wiard.
> 
> I am aware of the LIN/LOG settings on the Mixolator and its 
relationship to
> perceived attack and "boomy-ness" of the output. I find it is 
difficult to
> get those 'subotnik-esque' fast "plucks".  (Getting the general 
'sound' is
> very easy....thanks to the wonderful characteristics of the Borg.
> 
> Maybe what I am looking for is the idea behind the 
Envelooper???
> 
> xox
> r

The shortest attack time on the envelator is 1 millisecond 
(1/1000 second). According to psychoacoustic studies, the ear is 
not able to determine envelope times shorter than 1 millisecond. 

Most envelopes have a 5 millisecond minimum attack.

The bandwidth on the current control circuit for the Mixolator is 4 
Megahertz, which is plenty faster than 1 millisecond. There 
should be no problem generating attack times of 1 millisecond.

The Borg is slow due to the Vactrol used which has a 5 
millisecond attack time. The original Buchla circuit used a linear 
current source for the Vactrol LED, this does not work with a 
joystick correctly, and the Borg current source is exponential. But 
that should just make the envelopes shorter yet.

hi "r",


--- In wiardgroup@y..., "r" <datakult@e...> wrote:
> 
> Curious to hear what you guys think of the ENVELATOR. 

I used to be addicted to the serge DUSG - I got more "snap" out of 
that module than a 7-foot bullwhip but my DUSG's are gathering a 
little dust since I got a hold of my envelator 


  I have a 
very
> difficult time getting 'fast' attacks on the thing regardless of how 
I set
> it up...  Was curious if this is *my* problem/ observation as a user 
(there
> is a good possibility im am really looking over something obvious in
> setting up my patch(es)with the Wiard.
>

here's how I get fast attacks:
send a gate PULSE into the ENV gate input
route the +Out to the control input of your favorite VCA
(I favor linear response for this exercise, but it's a matter if 
taste)
set the mode switch to "AD"
set the attack knob fully clockwise
set the decay knob at 12-noon straight-up and tweak the decay from 
there
that's it!

On my rig I have to have the decay at halfway to hear a even a smidgen 
of the audio. 


I have scoped the envelator output in a side-by-side comparison with 
the DUSG and my I can verify Wiard's claimed  spec AND that it was 
visibly faster and the DUSG at minimum attack speed

-best,
dr. mabuse

> I am aware of the LIN/LOG settings on the Mixolator and its 
relationship to
> perceived attack and "boomy-ness" of the output. I find it is 
difficult to
> get those 'subotnik-esque' fast "plucks".  (Getting the general 
'sound' is

> very easy....thanks to the wonderful characteristics of the Borg.
> 
> Maybe what I am looking for is the idea behind the Envelooper???
> 
> xox
> r

Hi 'r'
  U R 2 kind!
  and I hope the envelator recipe gets you the subotnicesque poinks 
you seek
  I also hope to hear all the different kinds of music that 'the 
wiardfolke' make!
onward! thru the fog
-doc





--- In wiardgroup@y..., r <datakult@e...> wrote:
> on 8/6/01 7:39 PM, drmabuce@y... at drmabuce@y... wrote:
> 
> > hi "r",
> > 
> > here's how I get fast attacks:
> > send a gate PULSE into the ENV gate input
> > route the +Out to the control input of your favorite VCA
> > (I favor linear response for this exercise, but it's a matter if
> > taste)
> > set the mode switch to "AD"
> > set the attack knob fully clockwise
> > set the decay knob at 12-noon straight-up and tweak the decay from
> > there
> > that's it!
> > 
> 
> ok.....Dr.  This is what Im looking 4!  Thanks for the tip(s)
> 
> I remember back in 1999 when I was at the 'Wiard' factory picking up 
my
> 'Richter'.....Grant was playing some 'strange music'........he told 
me it

> was "Dr. Mabuce"   'Musick to build synths too'  ;)  Gotta love it!
> 
> xox
> r

on 8/6/01 7:39 PM, drmabuce@yahoo.com at drmabuce@yahoo.com wrote:

> hi "r",
> 
> here's how I get fast attacks:
> send a gate PULSE into the ENV gate input
> route the +Out to the control input of your favorite VCA
> (I favor linear response for this exercise, but it's a matter if
> taste)
> set the mode switch to "AD"
> set the attack knob fully clockwise
> set the decay knob at 12-noon straight-up and tweak the decay from
> there
> that's it!
> 

ok.....Dr.  This is what Im looking 4!  Thanks for the tip(s)

I remember back in 1999 when I was at the 'Wiard' factory picking up my
'Richter'.....Grant was playing some 'strange music'........he told me it
was "Dr. Mabuce"   'Musick to build synths too'  ;)  Gotta love it!

xox
r