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Hello All,

The new Wogglebug design now supports ALL of the features of 
the original Buchla Model 265 "Source of Uncertainty". It also 
adds a variable bandwidth noise source, 4 oscillators and two 
ring modulators. All for $120 cheaper than the original 265.

The Model 265 sold for $560 in 1972. 

(corrected for inflation, the 265 represents $1120 in todays 
currency)

I hope everyone is enjoying the last days of Summer. At least I 
can keep the window open when routing boards ;^)

Hi,

Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, not
answering
email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody other than
Grant has an answer...

1. What is going to be the primary difference between the Envelator and the
Envelooper?

2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's in the
system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the Wogglebug to be
used in
a more traditional manner as well?

3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!


Les Mizzell
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He say WHAT??????????????????????????
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"I think we ought to raise the age at
which juveniles can have a gun."
George Bush
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Hi Les,
   re: the "traditionalism" of wogglebugs...
   (please see below)

--- In wiardgroup@y..., "Les Mizzell" <lesmizz@b...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, not
> answering
> email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody 
other than
> Grant has an answer...
> 
> 1. What is going to be the primary difference between the Envelator 
and the
> Envelooper?
> 
> 2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's in 
the
> system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the 
Wogglebug to be
> used in
> a more traditional manner as well?
>

(Like Mr Pearson, I assume that your traditional application is a 
1v/octave pitch response to CV.)
NO,
 I have 2 #3-standard wogglebugs and the CV-to-freq inputs to each of 
the VCO pair are fully employed in the scheme that keeps the two Osc's 
chasing one another. To my amateur eye, the circuit is designed to 
periodically disrupt stable conditions. This feature would preclude 
the Wbug's use as a 1v/octave VCO.
 When I link my 2 Wbugs (the 300 series module will feature just such 
a dual configuration) and just let them have at one another, the fish 
in my aquarium pay calm attention for a few minutes then begin to swim 
in eerie nervous patterns that track the Wbugs output. This is a scary 
circuit and rumor has it that Grant got an accidental glimpse of an 
extraterrestrial vehicle owners manual during a routine abduction and 
part of a diagram manifested itself to him in a dream. Don Buchla may 
have been abducted by the same crew in '65. In any case it should be 
worth a few hundred just to find out how long the damn thing will go 
before repeating itself (mine have been at it since the 4th of July)
gotta go
the fish are signaling
-doc

> 3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!
> 
> 
> Les Mizzell
> -------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------
> He say WHAT??????????????????????????
> -------------------------------------
> "I think we ought to raise the age at
> which juveniles can have a gun."
> George Bush
> -------------------------------------
> -------------------------------------

At 10:48 PM 8/27/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, not
>answering
>email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody other than
>Grant has an answer...
>
>1. What is going to be the primary difference between the Envelator and the
>Envelooper?

http://www.wiard.com/purchase/purchase.html
sez: "Dual DADSR plus complex recycling module"
I'd think the difference between a dual DADSR and a dual A(S)R is obvious, 
but "complex recycling module" sounds interesting ... I'll make a wild 
guess/suggestion that it controls looping mode of one or both EG's, perhaps 
allowing either EG to loop through some or all of its stages (DA, DAD, or 
DAD(S)R) AND looping through both EG's for a complex LFO waveform going 
through D1A1D1(S1)R1D2A2D2(S2)R2D1A1D1 ... with all that going on, I'm sure 
that, unlike the Env

>2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's in the
>system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the Wogglebug to be
>used in
>a more traditional manner as well?
>
>3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!
>
>
>Les Mizzell
>-------------------------------------
>-------------------------------------
>He say WHAT??????????????????????????
>-------------------------------------
>"I think we ought to raise the age at
>which juveniles can have a gun."
>George Bush
>-------------------------------------
>-------------------------------------
>
>
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*sigh* let's try this again (ignore the previous, incomplete, message) ...

At 10:48 PM 8/27/01 -0400, "Les Mizzell" <lesmizz@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, not 
>answering email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody 
>other than Grant has an answer...

... not me, just some uneducated guesses ...

>1. What is going to be the primary difference between the Envelator and the
>Envelooper?

http://www.wiard.com/purchase/purchase.html
sez: "Dual DADSR plus complex recycling module"
I'd think the difference between a dual DADSR and a dual A(S)R is obvious, 
but "complex recycling module" sounds interesting ... I'll make a wild 
guess/suggestion that it controls looping mode of one or both EG's, perhaps 
allowing either EG to loop through some or all of its stages (DA, DAD, or 
DAD(S)R) AND looping through BOTH EG's sequentially for a complex LFO 
waveform cycling through 
D1A1D1(S1)R1D2A2D2(S2)R2D1A1D1(S1)R1D2A2D2(S2)R2D1... with all that going 
on, I'm sure that, unlike the Envelator, this module would not feature 
voltage control of stage times ... but perhaps it includes voltage control 
over loop begin/end points ... THAT would be something cool!  (I've only 
begun to scratch the surface of the Andromeda's loopable 8-stage envelopes 
... an incredible implementation, but ITS loop points can't be modulated ...)

>2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's in the
>system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the Wogglebug to be
>used in a more traditional manner as well?

So the question is, then, "are the "rate" CV inputs for the Wogglebug's 
LFO's 1V/oct?".  Or if you're referring to the outputs of the Linear VCO's, 
what do you mean by "traditional"?  They're square waves, not complex 
waveforms, so they're "traditional" in that sense.  But they're not under 
linear or exponential voltage control, so I can't see how they could be 
made to follow a pitch in the "traditional" sense, if that's what you 
mean.  Or do you mean that, "with the proper knob settings, will they 
output a constant, rather than random, frequency?"

>3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!

I, too, am curious to know what the new ones will look like ...

         -Doug
          jasret@mindspring.com

Hey Doc,

Now you know that information is classified "Way Beyond Top 
Secret: Terminate Self After Reading". We wouldn't want the Blue 
Berets erasing all traces of your existance.

It is true that Don and I were abducted concurrently, but I believe 
his implants are in his back teeth, where as mine are in my front 
teeth. 

At least that is as much as I can recall from the occasional 
overexposed, staccato edited, nightmarish flashback (with a 
soundtrack that sounds erriely like a solo JD-800).

> This is a scary 
> circuit and rumor has it that Grant got an accidental glimpse of 
an 
> extraterrestrial vehicle owners manual during a routine 
abduction and 
> part of a diagram manifested itself to him in a dream. Don 
Buchla may 
> have been abducted by the same crew in '65.

Hello Doktor,

I had no idea that fish respond to music, but that gives me an idea 
for the next time I go fishing... heh heh!

Did you build the wogs as they are on Grant's schematics or did you 
modify the design at all?  One thing that seems like it would be easy 
to do is to add voltage control to the 555.

R.

--- In wiardgroup@y..., drmabuce@y... wrote:
> Hi Les,
>    re: the "traditionalism" of wogglebugs...
>    (please see below)
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@y..., "Les Mizzell" <lesmizz@b...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, 
not
> > answering
> > email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody 
> other than
> > Grant has an answer...
> > 
> > 1. What is going to be the primary difference between the 
Envelator 
> and the
> > Envelooper?
> > 
> > 2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's 
in 
> the
> > system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the 
> Wogglebug to be
> > used in
> > a more traditional manner as well?
> >
> 
> (Like Mr Pearson, I assume that your traditional application is a 
> 1v/octave pitch response to CV.)
> NO,
>  I have 2 #3-standard wogglebugs and the CV-to-freq inputs to each 
of 
> the VCO pair are fully employed in the scheme that keeps the two 
Osc's 
> chasing one another. To my amateur eye, the circuit is designed to 
> periodically disrupt stable conditions. This feature would preclude 
> the Wbug's use as a 1v/octave VCO.
>  When I link my 2 Wbugs (the 300 series module will feature just 
such 
> a dual configuration) and just let them have at one another, the 
fish 
> in my aquarium pay calm attention for a few minutes then begin to 
swim 
> in eerie nervous patterns that track the Wbugs output. This is a 
scary 
> circuit and rumor has it that Grant got an accidental glimpse of an 
> extraterrestrial vehicle owners manual during a routine abduction 
and 
> part of a diagram manifested itself to him in a dream. Don Buchla 
may 
> have been abducted by the same crew in '65. In any case it should 
be 
> worth a few hundred just to find out how long the damn thing will 
go 

> before repeating itself (mine have been at it since the 4th of July)
> gotta go
> the fish are signaling
> -doc
> 
> > 3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Les Mizzell
> > -------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------------
> > He say WHAT??????????????????????????
> > -------------------------------------
> > "I think we ought to raise the age at
> > which juveniles can have a gun."
> > George Bush
> > -------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------------

greetings your cortexhood,
    I started with the #3 standard and made several changes and 
experimented with MORE than several changes. and yes, you are quite 
correct. one of the easier mods I implemented is modulation of the 
rate of the 555 independent of the Vactrol CV. I'm pretty sure that 
this is one of the many goodies that grant added in version 5.
    Also, I take my wogglebugs fishing but the other fishermen 
vandalize my car when I turn it up loud enough for the fish to hear.
    
-doc
"it's not time AND space... it's time OR space"



--- In wiardgroup@y..., 8brain@s... wrote:
> Hello Doktor,
> 
> I had no idea that fish respond to music, but that gives me an idea 
> for the next time I go fishing... heh heh!
> 
> Did you build the wogs as they are on Grant's schematics or did you 
> modify the design at all?  One thing that seems like it would be 
easy 
> to do is to add voltage control to the 555.
> 
> R.
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@y..., drmabuce@y... wrote:
> > Hi Les,
> >    re: the "traditionalism" of wogglebugs...
> >    (please see below)
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@y..., "Les Mizzell" <lesmizz@b...> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't be buggin Grant you as he oughta be building modules, 
> not
> > > answering
> > > email, but...inquiring minds want to know....and maybe somebody 
> > other than
> > > Grant has an answer...
> > > 
> > > 1. What is going to be the primary difference between the 
> Envelator 
> > and the
> > > Envelooper?
> > > 
> > > 2. Can the Osc's in the Wogglebug be used as "traditional" Ocs's 
> in 
> > the
> > > system, or are they too "weird" (...uh) in function for the 
> > Wogglebug to be
> > > used in
> > > a more traditional manner as well?
> > >
> > 
> > (Like Mr Pearson, I assume that your traditional application is a 
> > 1v/octave pitch response to CV.)
> > NO,
> >  I have 2 #3-standard wogglebugs and the CV-to-freq inputs to each 
> of 
> > the VCO pair are fully employed in the scheme that keeps the two 
> Osc's 
> > chasing one another. To my amateur eye, the circuit is designed to 
> > periodically disrupt stable conditions. This feature would 
preclude 
> > the Wbug's use as a 1v/octave VCO.
> >  When I link my 2 Wbugs (the 300 series module will feature just 
> such 
> > a dual configuration) and just let them have at one another, the 
> fish 
> > in my aquarium pay calm attention for a few minutes then begin to 
> swim 
> > in eerie nervous patterns that track the Wbugs output. This is a 
> scary 
> > circuit and rumor has it that Grant got an accidental glimpse of 
an 
> > extraterrestrial vehicle owners manual during a routine abduction 
> and 
> > part of a diagram manifested itself to him in a dream. Don Buchla 
> may 
> > have been abducted by the same crew in '65. In any case it should 
> be 
> > worth a few hundred just to find out how long the damn thing will 
> go 
> > before repeating itself (mine have been at it since the 4th of 
July)

> > gotta go
> > the fish are signaling
> > -doc
> > 
> > > 3. Let's see some faceplates for these!!!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Les Mizzell
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > He say WHAT??????????????????????????
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > "I think we ought to raise the age at
> > > which juveniles can have a gun."
> > > George Bush
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > -------------------------------------