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>
> Hi cray
>
> congrats on your sudden good fortune.
> Paul has done a very thorough job of answering your questions. i'm
> just chiming in with a couple of comments of less substance..
>
> >
> > > It would be the best idea if I could get the woggle in a Eurorack
> silver
> > > faceplate I know it would be wide but it would be the best option for
> > > me.
> >
> > ...I'm going to gently suggest that the good doctor has plenty of
> work on
> > his schedule with orders from the normal production line, and maybe
> not so
> > much time or energy for one off projects in alternate formats? I'm just
> > saying. Grant has been very clear that the panel process and costs are
> > the biggest expense and (I think) hassle of the entire process.
>
> Amen,
> Panel/mechanical specs are the real devil in the details. Grant has
> standardized on his format in an effort to make his mostly
> one-guy-with-a-soldering-iron production methodology work -consistently-.
> The question of how much of a client-base that format gains or loses
> him is, IMHO, moot, because it is entirely his prerogative. If there's
> one aspect of the goings-on at Wiard World Headquarters with which i'm
> intimately familiar, it's the prolonged pain that Grant endured
> learning the hard lessons in balancing the commercial viability,
> personal satisfaction, innovation, and practical efficiency implicit
> in his choices for how to make a Wiard.
> Paul's 'gentle suggestion' is right on target. Custom work is
> expensive for everyone in the transaction. It costs the supplier in
> time, material and opportunity cost and it disrupts routines that
> generate the efficiencies of a production process. Keep in mind that
> when Grant is not occupied making modules he's inventing new ones that
> may be even cooler than the ones we already want. In accepting a
> custom order Grant must weigh-in the cost of what won't get done in
> order to devote time to the individual project. In order to keep
> Wiard going, Grant must pass his best guess at the cost of all these
> factors to the client in advance and when he guesses wrong , at least
> so far, he has ended up most often with the short straw.
>
> My observation is that even among veteran, experienced synthgeeks,
> very few realize that panel, pots, knobs and legending are some of the
> MOST complicated and expensive components of a module and the process
> of making one.
>
> i realize that the charge of hypocrisy can be leveled loudly and
> legitimately at me on this issue, since i have plunged myself in hot
> water before for declaring that form-factor is a non-issue and that
> 'the synthesizer is BEHIND the panel'
> But i realize that this is true only from my individual DIY
> perspective. It is indeed a trivial thing for me to grab my trusty
> ball-pean and bash a Wogglebug PCB off it's standoffs behind the panel
> and remount it in some scratchy lucite with banana jacks. But it is
> only trivial because i am providing my own labor, time, and planning
> (too often in exactly that exact order!)
> It is a very different kettle of fish to try to factor such ad-hoc
> flexibility into a PRODUCTION process. Grants decision to cling to his
> form factor is not some arbitrary fiat, it is a lesson that was
> 'etched on his shoulders by the lash of experience'.
>
> By far, the best way to get Wiard in custom formats is to get the
> rework done somewhere other than in the professor's basement.
>
> >
> > If you want to build one, see here:
> > http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html 
> <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html>
> >
> > > Anyway if thats not a possibility I plan to get
> > >
> > > 2 x WFC (or one WFC and one Classic VCO)
> > > WoggleBug
> > > Borg Filter
> > > Sequentizer
> > > Envelator
> > >
> > > Id love owners opinions.
> >
> > That'll make a big beautiful noise :) I'm not sure you can go wrong
> with
> > ANY six modules from Wiard.
>
> i agree with Paul on this too
> your compement of modules looks well-thought-out and should equip you
> with some pretty formidable firepower. The sequantizer envelator combo
> is (IMHO) especially potent
>
> best wishes,
> -doc
>
>

On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:44 PM, amnesia wrote:

> its not good fortune is bank loan :-)
>
> I plan not to buy any more Wiards after the 6 panel, but hey I said no
> more modular after buying the Serge :-)
>
> Ross
>
> drmabuce wrote:
> >
> > Hi cray
> >
> > congrats on your sudden good fortune.
> > Paul has done a very thorough job of answering your questions. i'm
> > just chiming in with a couple of comments of less substance..
> >
> > >
> > > > It would be the best idea if I could get the woggle in a  
> Eurorack
> > silver
> > > > faceplate I know it would be wide but it would be the best  
> option for
> > > > me.
> > >
> > > ...I'm going to gently suggest that the good doctor has plenty of
> > work on
> > > his schedule with orders from the normal production line, and  
> maybe
> > not so
> > > much time or energy for one off projects in alternate formats?  
> I'm just
> > > saying. Grant has been very clear that the panel process and  
> costs are
> > > the biggest expense and (I think) hassle of the entire process.
> >
> > Amen,
> > Panel/mechanical specs are the real devil in the details. Grant has
> > standardized on his format in an effort to make his mostly
> > one-guy-with-a-soldering-iron production methodology work - 
> consistently-.
> > The question of how much of a client-base that format gains or loses
> > him is, IMHO, moot, because it is entirely his prerogative. If  
> there's
> > one aspect of the goings-on at Wiard World Headquarters with which  
> i'm
> > intimately familiar, it's the prolonged pain that Grant endured
> > learning the hard lessons in balancing the commercial viability,
> > personal satisfaction, innovation, and practical efficiency implicit
> > in his choices for how to make a Wiard.
> > Paul's 'gentle suggestion' is right on target. Custom work is
> > expensive for everyone in the transaction. It costs the supplier in
> > time, material and opportunity cost and it disrupts routines that
> > generate the efficiencies of a production process. Keep in mind that
> > when Grant is not occupied making modules he's inventing new ones  
> that
> > may be even cooler than the ones we already want. In accepting a
> > custom order Grant must weigh-in the cost of what won't get done in
> > order to devote time to the individual project. In order to keep
> > Wiard going, Grant must pass his best guess at the cost of all these
> > factors to the client in advance and when he guesses wrong , at  
> least
> > so far, he has ended up most often with the short straw.
> >
> > My observation is that even among veteran, experienced synthgeeks,
> > very few realize that panel, pots, knobs and legending are some of  
> the
> > MOST complicated and expensive components of a module and the  
> process
> > of making one.
> >
> > i realize that the charge of hypocrisy can be leveled loudly and
> > legitimately at me on this issue, since i have plunged myself in hot
> > water before for declaring that form-factor is a non-issue and that
> > 'the synthesizer is BEHIND the panel'
> > But i realize that this is true only from my individual DIY
> > perspective. It is indeed a trivial thing for me to grab my trusty
> > ball-pean and bash a Wogglebug PCB off it's standoffs behind the  
> panel
> > and remount it in some scratchy lucite with banana jacks. But it is
> > only trivial because i am providing my own labor, time, and planning
> > (too often in exactly that exact order!)
> > It is a very different kettle of fish to try to factor such ad-hoc
> > flexibility into a PRODUCTION process. Grants decision to cling to  
> his
> > form factor is not some arbitrary fiat, it is a lesson that was
> > 'etched on his shoulders by the lash of experience'.
> >
> > By far, the best way to get Wiard in custom formats is to get the
> > rework done somewhere other than in the professor's basement.
> >
> > >
> > > If you want to build one, see here:
> > > http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html
> > <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html>
> > >
> > > > Anyway if thats not a possibility I plan to get
> > > >
> > > > 2 x WFC (or one WFC and one Classic VCO)
> > > > WoggleBug
> > > > Borg Filter
> > > > Sequentizer
> > > > Envelator
> > > >
> > > > Id love owners opinions.
> > >
> > > That'll make a big beautiful noise :) I'm not sure you can go  
> wrong
> > with
> > > ANY six modules from Wiard.
> >
> > i agree with Paul on this too
> > your compement of modules looks well-thought-out and should equip  
> you
> > with some pretty formidable firepower. The sequantizer envelator  
> combo
> > is (IMHO) especially potent
> >
> > best wishes,
> > -doc
> >
> >
>
>

>
> Hi cray
>
> congrats on your sudden good fortune.
> Paul has done a very thorough job of answering your questions. i'm
> just chiming in with a couple of comments of less substance..
>
> >
> > > It would be the best idea if I could get the woggle in a Eurorack
> silver
> > > faceplate I know it would be wide but it would be the best option for
> > > me.
> >
> > ...I'm going to gently suggest that the good doctor has plenty of
> work on
> > his schedule with orders from the normal production line, and maybe
> not so
> > much time or energy for one off projects in alternate formats? I'm just
> > saying. Grant has been very clear that the panel process and costs are
> > the biggest expense and (I think) hassle of the entire process.
>
> Amen,
> Panel/mechanical specs are the real devil in the details. Grant has
> standardized on his format in an effort to make his mostly
> one-guy-with-a-soldering-iron production methodology work -consistently-.
> The question of how much of a client-base that format gains or loses
> him is, IMHO, moot, because it is entirely his prerogative. If there's
> one aspect of the goings-on at Wiard World Headquarters with which i'm
> intimately familiar, it's the prolonged pain that Grant endured
> learning the hard lessons in balancing the commercial viability,
> personal satisfaction, innovation, and practical efficiency implicit
> in his choices for how to make a Wiard.
> Paul's 'gentle suggestion' is right on target. Custom work is
> expensive for everyone in the transaction. It costs the supplier in
> time, material and opportunity cost and it disrupts routines that
> generate the efficiencies of a production process. Keep in mind that
> when Grant is not occupied making modules he's inventing new ones that
> may be even cooler than the ones we already want. In accepting a
> custom order Grant must weigh-in the cost of what won't get done in
> order to devote time to the individual project. In order to keep
> Wiard going, Grant must pass his best guess at the cost of all these
> factors to the client in advance and when he guesses wrong , at least
> so far, he has ended up most often with the short straw.
>
> My observation is that even among veteran, experienced synthgeeks,
> very few realize that panel, pots, knobs and legending are some of the
> MOST complicated and expensive components of a module and the process
> of making one.
>
> i realize that the charge of hypocrisy can be leveled loudly and
> legitimately at me on this issue, since i have plunged myself in hot
> water before for declaring that form-factor is a non-issue and that
> 'the synthesizer is BEHIND the panel'
> But i realize that this is true only from my individual DIY
> perspective. It is indeed a trivial thing for me to grab my trusty
> ball-pean and bash a Wogglebug PCB off it's standoffs behind the panel
> and remount it in some scratchy lucite with banana jacks. But it is
> only trivial because i am providing my own labor, time, and planning
> (too often in exactly that exact order!)
> It is a very different kettle of fish to try to factor such ad-hoc
> flexibility into a PRODUCTION process. Grants decision to cling to his
> form factor is not some arbitrary fiat, it is a lesson that was
> 'etched on his shoulders by the lash of experience'.
>
> By far, the best way to get Wiard in custom formats is to get the
> rework done somewhere other than in the professor's basement.
>
> >
> > If you want to build one, see here:
> > http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html 
> <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html>
> >
> > > Anyway if thats not a possibility I plan to get
> > >
> > > 2 x WFC (or one WFC and one Classic VCO)
> > > WoggleBug
> > > Borg Filter
> > > Sequentizer
> > > Envelator
> > >
> > > Id love owners opinions.
> >
> > That'll make a big beautiful noise :) I'm not sure you can go wrong
> with
> > ANY six modules from Wiard.
>
> i agree with Paul on this too
> your compement of modules looks well-thought-out and should equip you
> with some pretty formidable firepower. The sequantizer envelator combo
> is (IMHO) especially potent
>
> best wishes,
> -doc
>
>

>
> now if i could just get Grant to return my messages he will have a sale  :-)
> 
> I called him from Australia and got his machine also emailed him, when 
> we did chat earlier in the year ,he seems like a very nice guy, and I 
> understand he is a one man show , so i do hope he can get to me before 
> i  spend the money on something else :-)
> 
> Ross
> 
>  
> 
> drmabuce wrote:
> >
> > Hi cray
> >
> > congrats on your sudden good fortune.
> > Paul has done a very thorough job of answering your questions. i'm
> > just chiming in with a couple of comments of less substance..
> >
> > >
> > > > It would be the best idea if I could get the woggle in a Eurorack
> > silver
> > > > faceplate I know it would be wide but it would be the best option for
> > > > me.
> > >
> > > ...I'm going to gently suggest that the good doctor has plenty of
> > work on
> > > his schedule with orders from the normal production line, and maybe
> > not so
> > > much time or energy for one off projects in alternate formats? I'm just
> > > saying. Grant has been very clear that the panel process and costs are
> > > the biggest expense and (I think) hassle of the entire process.
> >
> > Amen,
> > Panel/mechanical specs are the real devil in the details. Grant has
> > standardized on his format in an effort to make his mostly
> > one-guy-with-a-soldering-iron production methodology work -consistently-.
> > The question of how much of a client-base that format gains or loses
> > him is, IMHO, moot, because it is entirely his prerogative. If there's
> > one aspect of the goings-on at Wiard World Headquarters with which i'm
> > intimately familiar, it's the prolonged pain that Grant endured
> > learning the hard lessons in balancing the commercial viability,
> > personal satisfaction, innovation, and practical efficiency implicit
> > in his choices for how to make a Wiard.
> > Paul's 'gentle suggestion' is right on target. Custom work is
> > expensive for everyone in the transaction. It costs the supplier in
> > time, material and opportunity cost and it disrupts routines that
> > generate the efficiencies of a production process. Keep in mind that
> > when Grant is not occupied making modules he's inventing new ones that
> > may be even cooler than the ones we already want. In accepting a
> > custom order Grant must weigh-in the cost of what won't get done in
> > order to devote time to the individual project. In order to keep
> > Wiard going, Grant must pass his best guess at the cost of all these
> > factors to the client in advance and when he guesses wrong , at least
> > so far, he has ended up most often with the short straw.
> >
> > My observation is that even among veteran, experienced synthgeeks,
> > very few realize that panel, pots, knobs and legending are some of the
> > MOST complicated and expensive components of a module and the process
> > of making one.
> >
> > i realize that the charge of hypocrisy can be leveled loudly and
> > legitimately at me on this issue, since i have plunged myself in hot
> > water before for declaring that form-factor is a non-issue and that
> > 'the synthesizer is BEHIND the panel'
> > But i realize that this is true only from my individual DIY
> > perspective. It is indeed a trivial thing for me to grab my trusty
> > ball-pean and bash a Wogglebug PCB off it's standoffs behind the panel
> > and remount it in some scratchy lucite with banana jacks. But it is
> > only trivial because i am providing my own labor, time, and planning
> > (too often in exactly that exact order!)
> > It is a very different kettle of fish to try to factor such ad-hoc
> > flexibility into a PRODUCTION process. Grants decision to cling to his
> > form factor is not some arbitrary fiat, it is a lesson that was
> > 'etched on his shoulders by the lash of experience'.
> >
> > By far, the best way to get Wiard in custom formats is to get the
> > rework done somewhere other than in the professor's basement.
> >
> > >
> > > If you want to build one, see here:
> > > http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html 
> > <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html>
> > >
> > > > Anyway if thats not a possibility I plan to get
> > > >
> > > > 2 x WFC (or one WFC and one Classic VCO)
> > > > WoggleBug
> > > > Borg Filter
> > > > Sequentizer
> > > > Envelator
> > > >
> > > > Id love owners opinions.
> > >
> > > That'll make a big beautiful noise :) I'm not sure you can go wrong
> > with
> > > ANY six modules from Wiard.
> >
> > i agree with Paul on this too
> > your compement of modules looks well-thought-out and should equip you
> > with some pretty formidable firepower. The sequantizer envelator combo
> > is (IMHO) especially potent
> >
> > best wishes,
> > -doc
> >
> >
>

>
> Maybe you won't have to do a full bank loan if you just do it one 
> module at a time, or at least you could do a series of smaller loans 
> that you will have a better chance of paying off without losing money 
> on interest or late fees. Since Grant is so hands on with his products 
> it takes some time for him to build modules (worth it!), and you would 
> either be getting one module every few months as they are built or 
> waiting quite a while for the entire system to be all ready.
>
>
> I was also excited to buy a few modules all at once, but after talking 
> to Grant about he recommended only purchasing one at a a time. One of 
> the benefits is that I'll have each module for a period of time before 
> getting another, so I'll be able to learn more about how it works and 
> what I can do with it before getting distracted by another module. 
> Wait time is also shorter for modules that he is doing a group build 
> on if your timing is right. I also haven't spent a big lump of money 
> on a system I won't see for a long time. Nice n' easy! I'd highly 
> recommend calling Grant on the phone and talking to him personally 
> about your plans. He's a great guy to chat with, and it's really cool 
> (and rare these days) to be able to meet the person behind all these 
> awesome instruments. I feel like I'm doing business with a friend 
> instead of "some dude"! You'll also benefit from his advice, which is 
> priceless.
>
> ~
>
> Happy holiday times Wiardos! Thanks for being my internet friends for 
> another great year! Bweep!
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:44 PM, amnesia wrote:
>
>> its not good fortune is bank loan :-)
>>
>> I plan not to buy any more Wiards after the 6 panel, but hey I said no 
>> more modular after buying the Serge :-)
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> drmabuce wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi cray
>> >
>> > congrats on your sudden good fortune.
>> > Paul has done a very thorough job of answering your questions. i'm
>> > just chiming in with a couple of comments of less substance..
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > It would be the best idea if I could get the woggle in a Eurorack
>> > silver
>> > > > faceplate I know it would be wide but it would be the best 
>> option for
>> > > > me.
>> > >
>> > > ...I'm going to gently suggest that the good doctor has plenty of
>> > work on
>> > > his schedule with orders from the normal production line, and maybe
>> > not so
>> > > much time or energy for one off projects in alternate formats? I'm 
>> just
>> > > saying. Grant has been very clear that the panel process and costs are
>> > > the biggest expense and (I think) hassle of the entire process.
>> >
>> > Amen,
>> > Panel/mechanical specs are the real devil in the details. Grant has
>> > standardized on his format in an effort to make his mostly
>> > one-guy-with-a-soldering-iron production methodology work 
>> -consistently-.
>> > The question of how much of a client-base that format gains or loses
>> > him is, IMHO, moot, because it is entirely his prerogative. If there's
>> > one aspect of the goings-on at Wiard World Headquarters with which i'm
>> > intimately familiar, it's the prolonged pain that Grant endured
>> > learning the hard lessons in balancing the commercial viability,
>> > personal satisfaction, innovation, and practical efficiency implicit
>> > in his choices for how to make a Wiard.
>> > Paul's 'gentle suggestion' is right on target. Custom work is
>> > expensive for everyone in the transaction. It costs the supplier in
>> > time, material and opportunity cost and it disrupts routines that
>> > generate the efficiencies of a production process. Keep in mind that
>> > when Grant is not occupied making modules he's inventing new ones that
>> > may be even cooler than the ones we already want. In accepting a
>> > custom order Grant must weigh-in the cost of what won't get done in
>> > order to devote time to the individual project. In order to keep
>> > Wiard going, Grant must pass his best guess at the cost of all these
>> > factors to the client in advance and when he guesses wrong , at least
>> > so far, he has ended up most often with the short straw.
>> >
>> > My observation is that even among veteran, experienced synthgeeks,
>> > very few realize that panel, pots, knobs and legending are some of the
>> > MOST complicated and expensive components of a module and the process
>> > of making one.
>> >
>> > i realize that the charge of hypocrisy can be leveled loudly and
>> > legitimately at me on this issue, since i have plunged myself in hot
>> > water before for declaring that form-factor is a non-issue and that
>> > 'the synthesizer is BEHIND the panel'
>> > But i realize that this is true only from my individual DIY
>> > perspective. It is indeed a trivial thing for me to grab my trusty
>> > ball-pean and bash a Wogglebug PCB off it's standoffs behind the panel
>> > and remount it in some scratchy lucite with banana jacks. But it is
>> > only trivial because i am providing my own labor, time, and planning
>> > (too often in exactly that exact order!)
>> > It is a very different kettle of fish to try to factor such ad-hoc
>> > flexibility into a PRODUCTION process. Grants decision to cling to his
>> > form factor is not some arbitrary fiat, it is a lesson that was
>> > 'etched on his shoulders by the lash of experience'.
>> >
>> > By far, the best way to get Wiard in custom formats is to get the
>> > rework done somewhere other than in the professor's basement.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > If you want to build one, see here:
>> > > http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html 
>> <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html> 
>> > <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html 
>> <http://diy.czmok.de/Group-Buys.66.0.html>>
>> > >
>> > > > Anyway if thats not a possibility I plan to get
>> > > >
>> > > > 2 x WFC (or one WFC and one Classic VCO)
>> > > > WoggleBug
>> > > > Borg Filter
>> > > > Sequentizer
>> > > > Envelator
>> > > >
>> > > > Id love owners opinions.
>> > >
>> > > That'll make a big beautiful noise :) I'm not sure you can go wrong
>> > with
>> > > ANY six modules from Wiard.
>> >
>> > i agree with Paul on this too
>> > your compement of modules looks well-thought-out and should equip you
>> > with some pretty formidable firepower. The sequantizer envelator combo
>> > is (IMHO) especially potent
>> >
>> > best wishes,
>> > -doc
>> >
>> > 
>>
>
>

On Dec 21, 2007, at 5:12 AM, loophead_0 wrote:

> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, amnesia <amni56@...> wrote:
> My advise is try to get him to run a full set of front panels for  
> you - whatever module array
> you plan on ending up with. You would purchase this set of  
> faceplates with your first order so
> that the color is a matched set. Ship back to him (as I assume he  
> might not want to be storing
> peoples faceplates) as you build up your system.
>
>
>