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Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-15 by Grant Richter

Balance of 1200 series March orders will ship next week.

I will move on to April and May 1200 orders.

Am also working on Woggle Bug orders.

Thank you.

Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-16 by mrboningen

great news!

the borg 2 will complete my wiard 1200 series collection!

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@...> wrote:
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>
> Balance of 1200 series March orders will ship next week.
> 
> I will move on to April and May 1200 orders.
> 
> Am also working on Woggle Bug orders.
> 
> Thank you.
>

Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-22 by mrboningen

i received my borg 2 yesterday. it's mind blowing!

the sonic possibilities offered by this in combination with the
boogie, a four input mixer, and a lone saw wave are simply incredible.

i nearly blew my woofers with the peaking knob though, be careful!

lovely in lpg mode.

also, i noticed changes on the web site, i think maybe the jag is gone
forever!

time to start saving for a 300 system...

Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-22 by Tommy DOG

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
<darkflametwentythree@...> wrote:
> 
> also, i noticed changes on the web site, i think maybe the jag is gone
> forever!

It's listed under 300 series accessories on the purchase page.
 
It looks like the site is being worked on, there are now some modules
that have variations like the Borg which lists a "Borg 2 / Boogie LP
Module" but doesn't specify form factor.

Hopefully when Grant has time he will give a lay of the land regarding
the new Dual Joystick / JAG and some of the others. It would be good
to know whether they are Frac or full sized.

TD

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-23 by kwote uno

yes. i was informed of the jag and all other 1200 series being discontinued. a little dismayed because i just spoke with grant regarding the jag and joysticks draw a couple weeks back.
for me it just boils down to size and price and the fracs work best for me while still having great sound and capabilities. but i understand people's love for the 300 series.
hopefully the new jag joystick combo will still be 3u height though. i would definately love to know.

On 6/22/07, Tommy DOG <mrsvomit@tommydog.com> wrote:

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
wrote:
>
> also, i noticed changes on the web site, i think maybe the jag is gone
> forever!

It's listed under 300 series accessories on the purchase page.

It looks like the site is being worked on, there are now some modules
that have variations like the Borg which lists a "Borg 2 / Boogie LP
Module" but doesn't specify form factor.

Hopefully when Grant has time he will give a lay of the land regarding
the new Dual Joystick / JAG and some of the others. It would be good
to know whether they are Frac or full sized.

TD


Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-23 by eric f

I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, that no *new* development would take place in the Frac format, but that Grant was continuing to ship the existing modules. I was of the impression that the Frac format limited the user interface and, by extension, the versatility and utility of the individual designs.
cheers,
eric f

kwote uno wrote:
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yes. i was informed of the jag and all other 1200 series being discontinued. a little dismayed because i just spoke with grant regarding the jag and joysticks draw a couple weeks back.
for me it just boils down to size and price and the fracs work best for me while still having great sound and capabilities. but i understand people's love for the 300 series.
hopefully the new jag joystick combo will still be 3u height though. i would definately love to know.

On 6/22/07, Tommy DOG <mrsvomit@tommydog.com> wrote:
--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
e@...> wrote:
>
> also, i noticed changes on the web site, i think maybe the jag is gone
> forever!

It's listed under 300 series accessories on the purchase page.

It looks like the site is being worked on, there are now some modules
that have variations like the Borg which lists a "Borg 2 / Boogie LP
Module" but doesn't specify form factor.

Hopefully when Grant has time he will give a lay of the land regarding
the new Dual Joystick / JAG and some of the others. It would be good
to know whether they are Frac or full sized.

TD



Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-23 by John Mahoney

At 09:53 AM 6/23/2007, eric f wrote:

>I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, that no *new* development 
>would take place in the Frac format, but that Grant was continuing 
>to ship the existing modules.  I was of the impression that the Frac 
>format limited the user interface and, by extension, the versatility 
>and utility of the individual designs.
>
>cheers,
>eric f

Have you seen the "Purchase" page, lately? Only a couple of the Frac 
modules are now available.
--
john


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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Most 1200 series March orders shipped today.

2007-06-24 by kwote uno

well i'm new to modular synthesis in general and just have a small blacet system right now. but i dig the size and simplicity/complexity you can get out of a frac setup. i'm sure the larger stuff works great though. just depends on the users in the end.

On 6/23/07, eric f <ach_gott@yahoo.com> wrote:

I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, that no *new* development would take place in the Frac format, but that Grant was continuing to ship the existing modules. I was of the impression that the Frac format limited the user interface and, by extension, the versatility and utility of the individual designs.
cheers,
eric f


kwote uno <kwoter@gmail.com> wrote:
yes. i was informed of the jag and all other 1200 series being discontinued. a little dismayed because i just spoke with grant regarding the jag and joysticks draw a couple weeks back.
for me it just boils down to size and price and the fracs work best for me while still having great sound and capabilities. but i understand people's love for the 300 series.
hopefully the new jag joystick combo will still be 3u height though. i would definately love to know.

On 6/22/07, Tommy DOG <mrsvomit@tommydog.com > wrote:
--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mrboningen"
wrote:
>
> also, i noticed changes on the web site, i think maybe the jag is gone
> forever!

It's listed under 300 series accessories on the purchase page.

It looks like the site is being worked on, there are now some modules
that have variations like the Borg which lists a "Borg 2 / Boogie LP
Module" but doesn't specify form factor.

Hopefully when Grant has time he will give a lay of the land regarding
the new Dual Joystick / JAG and some of the others. It would be good
to know whether they are Frac or full sized.

TD




Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-06-24 by Grant Richter

> I thought, and correct me if I'm wrong, that no *new* development would take place in 
> the Frac format, but that Grant was continuing to ship the existing modules.  I was of 
>the impression that the Frac format limited the user interface and, by extension, the 
>versatility and utility of the individual designs.

What I said was that I was not going to develope the Envelooper and Walkabout oscillator 
for the Frac-Rac format. An FPGA is a two inch square area where you can't put anything 
else. That's a big blank spot on a small faceplate. The 300 series format has lots of knobs 
and jacks, which I need for really cool features. The rear of the box provides a place to 
mount bonus feature connectors.

I also said I was going to use up existing 1200 series parts until gone. That mostly meant 
faceplates for the Josysticks and JAGs. I kept the most popular 1200 series models in 
production.

The electronic parts are becoming precious. I have had to do lifetime buys on most parts. I 
want to use them to make complete instruments. The 1200 series modules where just 
pieces. There is a real sense of satisfaction when I can ship a rack of modules and 
controller. It makes a complete instrument. Something a person can develop virtuosity on.

I never get that feeling anymore with the Frac-Rac stuff. I like what happened, good 
designs came from the constraints of working with such a tiny faceplate. The new filters 
sound better than the OTA based Omni-Filter. Lowpass gates make my favorite sounds 
now (perhaps because they are fresh sounding, clean sounding at least).

Virtuosity is a issue with modular syntheiszers. I asked Del Dettmar from Hawkwind if you 
would be interested in a Wiard. His reply "I'm still trying to get good at the Synthi I bought 
35 years ago". Del has got a point, you have to play a musical instrument over a long 
period of time before you get really good at the particular one you chose.

There are tons of inexpensive euro-rack and frac-rack modules. Since there are lots of 
schematics in the public domain, manufacturers can save the money normally spent on 
fundimental reasearch and development. That extra money creates an opportunity for 
something like Analog Haven to exist. The money not being spent on fundimental 
research and development can be allocated to distribution instead.

That is good news for musicians. It makes modules available quickly and at low cost.

Wiard can't work that way if I want to continue doing innovative fundimental research. I am 
forced to stick to the classic synthesizer business model of making the best possible 
designs without too much penny pinching about the final selling price.

Mass production is simply not suitable for every type of end product. Handcrafting is not 
an greedy plot to steal money from the customer, it is the most practical method of 
making very complex objects on a small scale. The 300 series definately gives you a better 
return on investment and always will.

Re: [wiardgroup] Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-06-25 by John Mahoney

No apology necessary. You are the one slaving over the hot stove, so 
you should decide what's on the menu.

Besides, there will always be some disappointed people because we all 
can't have all the Wiard that we want. ;-)

I do have a space designated in my small Frac rack for a JAG, though. 
If you've got anything left over, like a bare PCB or perhaps a front 
panel, I'm interested. Thanks.
--
john


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Re: Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-06-25 by mritenburg

Does this mean we can look forward to an Envelooper and Walkabout Osc. 
in 300 series format?


> What I said was that I was not going to develope the Envelooper and 
> Walkabout oscillator for the Frac-Rac format.

Re: Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-06-25 by Grant Richter

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mritenburg" <mritenburg@...> wrote:
>
> Does this mean we can look forward to an Envelooper and Walkabout Osc. 
> in 300 series format?
> 

That is the current plan. I have been working on the both designs for two years now. I have 
work prototypes of both, but they require quite a lot more tweaking on the wavetable and 
trajectory software.

Dave Vosh: Do you have the "Source: Music of the Avant-Garder" issue with the 2D square 
of magentic recording material and instructions for scanning out the recordings on the 
square?

I would like to get a picture of that. I think I will try to adapt the "azimuth" concept and 
have a mode where output is only generated when the trajectory direction is in-line with 
the original encoding direction (if possible).

For those interested, here is a good survey on Wave Terrain synthesis as it stands at the 
moment:

http://portal.ecu.edu.au/adt-public/adt-ECU2006.0037.html

There are a number of improvements that can be made. Fox example, MAX - Jitter will not 
be accessable for 50-100 years like a hardware module will be.

Re: [wiardgroup] Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-07-02 by p. hendricks

On 6/24/07 11:03 AM, "Grant Richter" <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

> Since there are lots of
> schematics in the public domain, manufacturers can save the money normally
> spent on 
> fundimental reasearch and development. That extra money creates an opportunity
> for 
> something like Analog Haven to exist.

I'm confused. Example: Plan B starting selling, then  through AH, but their
prices didn't change but in about the same time, the Wiard ones have doubled
or more in many cases.

That's all fine, but your demographic as changed, considerably. not as many
experimental musicians in the new range.

Re: [wiardgroup] Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-07-02 by p. hendricks

On 7/1/07 9:56 PM, "p. hendricks" <ph@comcast.net> wrote:


....and sorry, please ignore my stupid comment about price... which hasn't
even come through yet, seems to take 12+ hours for messages to show up here.
sorry...I know we've been through the price thing enough.
-phil

Re: Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-07-03 by Tommy DOG

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" <ph@...> wrote:
> 
> I'm confused. Example: Plan B starting selling, then  through AH,
but their
> prices didn't change but in about the same time, the Wiard ones have
doubled
> or more in many cases.
> 
> That's all fine, but your demographic as changed, considerably. not
as many
> experimental musicians in the new range.
>

If one is doing experimental music, one is likely to devolop other
skills that will pay the rent such as soun design and production. 

Also I have to point out that the cost of bleeding edge and unusual
instruments is generally higher because the amount of people who use
these things is smaller, therefore the overhead for the builder may be
higher.

As it is modular synths are a speciality item and the higher end ones
are just not goning to attract people who aren't dedicated to learning
and devoloping a long term relationship with their instrumnets.

I am willing to bet that even a company like Doepfer sells vastly
smaller amounts of their more exotic modules.

TD

Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Apology to the 1200 series fans

2007-07-03 by Tyler Harwood

I would add at this point that grant's personal business style and outstanding support is unlike anything else out there in the world of cutting edge instruments, and to know that he continues to attempt the unattempted certainly seems worth the extra bit of dough. If you want budget there's lots to choose from. If you want art, please pay like you want an artist to make it without complaining.

Considering that, we're all lucky to get a chance to use these creatively developed tools, it really could cost more...

"stuff" vs. investments...

PS - I'm not knocking Plan B or any other of the great modular stuff I am grateful to have the chance to play with, I'm a big fan of pretty much all of it! And AH has been a great resource and hands down the friendliest music store I've ever dealt with. But I do think we've got a special deal here with Wiard and should appreciate it as such. Eh... just refer to past messages for Grant's perspective on the topic, which is much more practical than that.





On Jul 2, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Tommy DOG wrote:

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" wrote:
>
> I'm confused. Example: Plan B starting selling, then through AH,
but their
> prices didn't change but in about the same time, the Wiard ones have
doubled
> or more in many cases.
>;
> That's all fine, but your demographic as changed, considerably. not
as many
> experimental musicians in the new range.
>

If one is doing experimental music, one is likely to devolop other
skills that will pay the rent such as soun design and production.

Also I have to point out that the cost of bleeding edge and unusual
instruments is generally higher because the amount of people who use
these things is smaller, therefore the overhead for the builder may be
higher.

As it is modular synths are a speciality item and the higher end ones
are just not goning to attract people who aren't dedicated to learning
and devoloping a long term relationship with their instrumnets.

I am willing to bet that even a company like Doepfer sells vastly
smaller amounts of their more exotic modules.

TD


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