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RE: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i guess

2004-12-14 by Fahl, Romeo

Having built a couple, I can say that if you're patient enough to roll
your own, the #3 Wogglebug is definitely worth the effort. 

R. 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: drmabuce [mailto:drmabuce@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i guess
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Dustin
>       I've never disassembled my production wogglebugs for a 
> component by component comparison  but I was in close contact 
> with Grant during the development of the circuit in the 
> summer of 2001.  To my knowledge, there were six prototypes. 
> #5 was the production model ***.  I've built several #3's  
> and modified them to my taste.
> Schematics of my favorite mods  are in the files section of this group
> labelled: WBug3Mods-DrMabuce.jpg.
>      To address your question more directly. The core of the 
> wogglebug is the 4046-pair , the 398 sample-hold and the 
> vactrol.VC1 -  the evolution of the woggle bug circuit after 
> #3 tended to be progressive refinements of  the voltage 
> controlled clock (U5 & VC2)  that triggered the 398 and the 
> circuit that controlled the LED portion of the vactrol, VC1.
>      In the #3 circuit VC1 and a second vactro.l, VC2 are 
> controlled, together, in series by a single CV. To my 
> (deranged) ear , the option of controlling VC1 and the 
> clock-rate VC2 separately yields a lot more interest . 
>      Also I imagine that Grant would have been inclined to 
> improve the transistor-based circuit (Q1) that controlled 
> VC1--- probably with a op-amp CV buffer.
> 
> I realize this response id far from definitive, but on the 
> whole I believe that Grant published the essence of the 
> wogglebug  in the #3 schematic - an almost insanely generous act IMHO.
> 
> melt some solder and try it!
> -doc
> 
> ***
> the #6 schematic included an ill-fated implementation of the 
> MF-10 one-chip programmable filter that was too outrageously 
> noisy for a commercial design - I added one to my production 
> board just to find out!
> `a bridge too far!'
> 
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "ed.j.wise" <dustin.sedlacek@g...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > or anyone else that knows how is the wogglebug#3 schematic 
> that i have 
> > found  diffrent from the production model wogglebug that is sold on 
> > the web site?
> 
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RE: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i guess

2004-12-17 by Justin Modra

The #1 wogglebug involved a modified 2-stroke
snowmobile engine - very noisy.

--- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@extensis.com> wrote:

> Having built a couple, I can say that if you're
> patient enough to roll
> your own, the #3 Wogglebug is definitely worth the
> effort. 
> 
> R. 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: drmabuce [mailto:drmabuce@yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> > To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i
> guess
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Dustin
> >       I've never disassembled my production
> wogglebugs for a 
> > component by component comparison  but I was in
> close contact 
> > with Grant during the development of the circuit
> in the 
> > summer of 2001.  To my knowledge, there were six
> prototypes. 
> > #5 was the production model ***.  I've built
> several #3's  
> > and modified them to my taste.
> > Schematics of my favorite mods  are in the files
> section of this group
> > labelled: WBug3Mods-DrMabuce.jpg.
> >      To address your question more directly. The
> core of the 
> > wogglebug is the 4046-pair , the 398 sample-hold
> and the 
> > vactrol.VC1 -  the evolution of the woggle bug
> circuit after 
> > #3 tended to be progressive refinements of  the
> voltage 
> > controlled clock (U5 & VC2)  that triggered the
> 398 and the 
> > circuit that controlled the LED portion of the
> vactrol, VC1.
> >      In the #3 circuit VC1 and a second vactro.l,
> VC2 are 
> > controlled, together, in series by a single CV. To
> my 
> > (deranged) ear , the option of controlling VC1 and
> the 
> > clock-rate VC2 separately yields a lot more
> interest . 
> >      Also I imagine that Grant would have been
> inclined to 
> > improve the transistor-based circuit (Q1) that
> controlled 
> > VC1--- probably with a op-amp CV buffer.
> > 
> > I realize this response id far from definitive,
> but on the 
> > whole I believe that Grant published the essence
> of the 
> > wogglebug  in the #3 schematic - an almost
> insanely generous act IMHO.
> > 
> > melt some solder and try it!
> > -doc
> > 
> > ***
> > the #6 schematic included an ill-fated
> implementation of the 
> > MF-10 one-chip programmable filter that was too
> outrageously 
> > noisy for a commercial design - I added one to my
> production 
> > board just to find out!
> > `a bridge too far!'
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "ed.j.wise"
> <dustin.sedlacek@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > or anyone else that knows how is the wogglebug#3
> schematic 
> > that i have 
> > > found  diffrent from the production model
> wogglebug that is sold on 
> > > the web site?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: this is for grant i guess

2004-12-17 by drmabuce

true...It was the frigid Milwaukee winters that forced the evolution
of the wogglebug circuit. The #1 prototype required a troublesome
mixture of gasoline, fuel oil, peppermint extract, and pulverized
CA3080's. During Milwaukee's arctic season, flakes of parafin tended
to form in the fuel oil and this badly clogged the data inputs to U1 &
U2 if you left the wogglebug parked outside or in an unheated garage
overnight. All of these issues were remedied in version# 2  when prof.
Richter switched to a geothermal design.

(is it april already?)(!)
-doc

 


--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra <nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
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> The #1 wogglebug involved a modified 2-stroke
> snowmobile engine - very noisy.
> 
> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@e...> wrote:
> 
> > Having built a couple, I can say that if you're
> > patient enough to roll
> > your own, the #3 Wogglebug is definitely worth the
> > effort. 
> > 
> > R. 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: drmabuce [mailto:drmabuce@y...] 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> > > To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i
> > guess
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Dustin
> > >       I've never disassembled my production
> > wogglebugs for a 
> > > component by component comparison  but I was in
> > close contact 
> > > with Grant during the development of the circuit
> > in the 
> > > summer of 2001.  To my knowledge, there were six
> > prototypes. 
> > > #5 was the production model ***.  I've built
> > several #3's  
> > > and modified them to my taste.
> > > Schematics of my favorite mods  are in the files
> > section of this group
> > > labelled: WBug3Mods-DrMabuce.jpg.
> > >      To address your question more directly. The
> > core of the 
> > > wogglebug is the 4046-pair , the 398 sample-hold
> > and the 
> > > vactrol.VC1 -  the evolution of the woggle bug
> > circuit after 
> > > #3 tended to be progressive refinements of  the
> > voltage 
> > > controlled clock (U5 & VC2)  that triggered the
> > 398 and the 
> > > circuit that controlled the LED portion of the
> > vactrol, VC1.
> > >      In the #3 circuit VC1 and a second vactro.l,
> > VC2 are 
> > > controlled, together, in series by a single CV. To
> > my 
> > > (deranged) ear , the option of controlling VC1 and
> > the 
> > > clock-rate VC2 separately yields a lot more
> > interest . 
> > >      Also I imagine that Grant would have been
> > inclined to 
> > > improve the transistor-based circuit (Q1) that
> > controlled 
> > > VC1--- probably with a op-amp CV buffer.
> > > 
> > > I realize this response id far from definitive,
> > but on the 
> > > whole I believe that Grant published the essence
> > of the 
> > > wogglebug  in the #3 schematic - an almost
> > insanely generous act IMHO.
> > > 
> > > melt some solder and try it!
> > > -doc
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > the #6 schematic included an ill-fated
> > implementation of the 
> > > MF-10 one-chip programmable filter that was too
> > outrageously 
> > > noisy for a commercial design - I added one to my
> > production 
> > > board just to find out!
> > > `a bridge too far!'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "ed.j.wise"
> > <dustin.sedlacek@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > or anyone else that knows how is the wogglebug#3
> > schematic 
> > > that i have 
> > > > found  diffrent from the production model
> > wogglebug that is sold on 
> > > > the web site?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
> > > --------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same
> > songs over 
> > > and over?
> > > Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to
> > listen to LAUNCHcast!
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need help with power plugs! :-)

2004-12-17 by Ryan Ryan

Hey the fedex guy just dropped off  a 7 module wiard over here but i'm having a problem!, I'm not sure exactly how to wire the PSUs to it!  and i want to make sure 100% on what to do, I don't want to fry  such a beautifal synthesizer:-)  
 
ok, well i looked in the manual, and dot to dot and no dot to no dot, but there's a problem...
i have 3 wires one to each of the modules, 5 pin dins, 2 sets of 3, going to the synth modules.
 
BOTH of these have the white dot!= | And there is also the joystick controller which has it's input.  
 
So what the wiard has come with is:
 
two walllwart power supplies, one with a dot on it, one without a dot on it.  
 
And then there's one that goes one  power plug female to 3 power plug males.  
 
How should i plug this all up?:-) do all the modules require the same power?  I didn't even think the joystick would require power? perhaps for the ground?
 
oh yea, ther'es also another, not sure where thsi one goes! but it's a male 5 pin pin plug like the power plugs, and  it goes to some female plug for 4pins. What's this ffor? i could n't find anything!?:-)
 
any help would be greatly appreciated.  and i will too email the guy i bought it from, but he doesn't usually reply till late at night.  And it's frustrating staring at something so wonderful and not being able to play it!!:-)  But i know it'd be MUCH more frustrating to break it not powering it right!:-)
 
-ryan

drmabuce <drmabuce@yahoo.com> wrote:

true...It was the frigid Milwaukee winters that forced the evolution
of the wogglebug circuit. The #1 prototype required a troublesome
mixture of gasoline, fuel oil, peppermint extract, and pulverized
CA3080's. During Milwaukee's arctic season, flakes of parafin tended
to form in the fuel oil and this badly clogged the data inputs to U1 &
U2 if you left the wogglebug parked outside or in an unheated garage
overnight. All of these issues were remedied in version# 2  when prof.
Richter switched to a geothermal design.

(is it april already?)(!)
-doc




--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra <nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
> The #1 wogglebug involved a modified 2-stroke
> snowmobile engine - very noisy.
> 
> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@e...> wrote:
> 
> > Having built a couple, I can say that if you're
> > patient enough to roll
> > your own, the #3 Wogglebug is definitely worth the
> > effort. 
> > 
> > R. 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: drmabuce [mailto:drmabuce@y...] 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> > > To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i
> > guess
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Dustin
> > >       I've never disassembled my production
> > wogglebugs for a 
> > > component by component comparison  but I was in
> > close contact 
> > > with Grant during the development of the circuit
> > in the 
> > > summer of 2001.  To my knowledge, there were six
> > prototypes. 
> > > #5 was the production model ***.  I've built
> > several #3's  
> > > and modified them to my taste.
> > > Schematics of my favorite mods  are in the files
> > section of this group
> > > labelled: WBug3Mods-DrMabuce.jpg.
> > >      To address your question more directly. The
> > core of the 
> > > wogglebug is the 4046-pair , the 398 sample-hold
> > and the 
> > > vactrol.VC1 -  the evolution of the woggle bug
> > circuit after 
> > > #3 tended to be progressive refinements of  the
> > voltage 
> > > controlled clock (U5 & VC2)  that triggered the
> > 398 and the 
> > > circuit that controlled the LED portion of the
> > vactrol, VC1.
> > >      In the #3 circuit VC1 and a second vactro.l,
> > VC2 are 
> > > controlled, together, in series by a single CV. To
> > my 
> > > (deranged) ear , the option of controlling VC1 and
> > the 
> > > clock-rate VC2 separately yields a lot more
> > interest . 
> > >      Also I imagine that Grant would have been
> > inclined to 
> > > improve the transistor-based circuit (Q1) that
> > controlled 
> > > VC1--- probably with a op-amp CV buffer.
> > > 
> > > I realize this response id far from definitive,
> > but on the 
> > > whole I believe that Grant published the essence
> > of the 
> > > wogglebug  in the #3 schematic - an almost
> > insanely generous act IMHO.
> > > 
> > > melt some solder and try it!
> > > -doc
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > the #6 schematic included an ill-fated
> > implementation of the 
> > > MF-10 one-chip programmable filter that was too
> > outrageously 
> > > noisy for a commercial design - I added one to my
> > production 
> > > board just to find out!
> > > `a bridge too far!'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "ed.j.wise"
> > <dustin.sedlacek@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > or anyone else that knows how is the wogglebug#3
> > schematic 
> > > that i have 
> > > > found  diffrent from the production model
> > wogglebug that is sold on 
> > > > the web site?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
> > > --------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same
> > songs over 
> > > and over?
> > > Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to
> > listen to LAUNCHcast!
> > >
> >
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/OXvbED/HARHAA/n1hLAA/QnLolB/TM
> > >
> >
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> > > 
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Re: [wiardgroup] need help with power plugs! :-)

2004-12-17 by Ryan Ryan

nevermind, the seller told me the way:-) 
 
-ryan

Ryan Ryan <hal3001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey the fedex guy just dropped off  a 7 module wiard over here but i'm having a problem!, I'm not sure exactly how to wire the PSUs to it!  and i want to make sure 100% on what to do, I don't want to fry  such a beautifal synthesizer:-)  
 
ok, well i looked in the manual, and dot to dot and no dot to no dot, but there's a problem...
i have 3 wires one to each of the modules, 5 pin dins, 2 sets of 3, going to the synth modules.
 
BOTH of these have the white dot!= | And there is also the joystick controller which has it's input.  
 
So what the wiard has come with is:
 
two walllwart power supplies, one with a dot on it, one without a dot on it.  
 
And then there's one that goes one  power plug female to 3 power plug males.  
 
How should i plug this all up?:-) do all the modules require the same power?  I didn't even think the joystick would require power? perhaps for the ground?
 
oh yea, ther'es also another, not sure where thsi one goes! but it's a male 5 pin pin plug like the power plugs, and  it goes to some female plug for 4pins. What's this ffor? i could n't find anything!?:-)
 
any help would be greatly appreciated.  and i will too email the guy i bought it from, but he doesn't usually reply till late at night.  And it's frustrating staring at something so wonderful and not being able to play it!!:-)  But i know it'd be MUCH more frustrating to break it not powering it right!:-)
 
-ryan

drmabuce <drmabuce@yahoo.com> wrote:

true...It was the frigid Milwaukee winters that forced the evolution
of the wogglebug circuit. The #1 prototype required a troublesome
mixture of gasoline, fuel oil, peppermint extract, and pulverized
CA3080's. During Milwaukee's arctic season, flakes of parafin tended
to form in the fuel oil and this badly clogged the data inputs to U1 &
U2 if you left the wogglebug parked outside or in an unheated garage
overnight. All of these issues were remedied in version# 2  when prof.
Richter switched to a geothermal design.

(is it april already?)(!)
-doc




--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Justin Modra <nitrohepcat@y...> wrote:
> The #1 wogglebug involved a modified 2-stroke
> snowmobile engine - very noisy.
> 
> --- "Fahl, Romeo" <rfahl@e...> wrote:
> 
> > Having built a couple, I can say that if you're
> > patient enough to roll
> > your own, the #3 Wogglebug is definitely worth the
> > effort. 
> > 
> > R. 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: drmabuce [mailto:drmabuce@y...] 
> > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:37 PM
> > > To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: this is for grant i
> > guess
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Dustin
> > >       I've never disassembled my production
> > wogglebugs for a 
> > > component by component comparison  but I was in
> > close contact 
> > > with Grant during the development of the circuit
> > in the 
> > > summer of 2001.  To my knowledge, there were six
> > prototypes. 
> > > #5 was the production model ***.  I've built
> > several #3's  
> > > and modified them to my taste.
> > > Schematics of my favorite mods  are in the files
> > section of this group
> > > labelled: WBug3Mods-DrMabuce.jpg.
> > >      To address your question more directly. The
> > core of the 
> > > wogglebug is the 4046-pair , the 398 sample-hold
> > and the 
> > > vactrol.VC1 -  the evolution of the woggle bug
> > circuit after 
> > > #3 tended to be progressive refinements of  the
> > voltage 
> > > controlled clock (U5 & VC2)  that triggered the
> > 398 and the 
> > > circuit that controlled the LED portion of the
> > vactrol, VC1.
> > >      In the #3 circuit VC1 and a second vactro.l,
> > VC2 are 
> > > controlled, together, in series by a single CV. To
> > my 
> > > (deranged) ear , the option of controlling VC1 and
> > the 
> > > clock-rate VC2 separately yields a lot more
> > interest . 
> > >      Also I imagine that Grant would have been
> > inclined to 
> > > improve the transistor-based circuit (Q1) that
> > controlled 
> > > VC1--- probably with a op-amp CV buffer.
> > > 
> > > I realize this response id far from definitive,
> > but on the 
> > > whole I believe that Grant published the essence
> > of the 
> > > wogglebug  in the #3 schematic - an almost
> > insanely generous act IMHO.
> > > 
> > > melt some solder and try it!
> > > -doc
> > > 
> > > ***
> > > the #6 schematic included an ill-fated
> > implementation of the 
> > > MF-10 one-chip programmable filter that was too
> > outrageously 
> > > noisy for a commercial design - I added one to my
> > production 
> > > board just to find out!
> > > `a bridge too far!'
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "ed.j.wise"
> > <dustin.sedlacek@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > or anyone else that knows how is the wogglebug#3
> > schematic 
> > > that i have 
> > > > found  diffrent from the production model
> > wogglebug that is sold on 
> > > > the web site?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor 
> > > --------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same
> > songs over 
> > > and over?
> > > Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to
> > listen to LAUNCHcast!
> > >
> >
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/OXvbED/HARHAA/n1hLAA/QnLolB/TM
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> >
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