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envelator: chaotic functions possible?

envelator: chaotic functions possible?

2001-10-09 by googol@gmx.ch

if anyone have some ideas whats possible with the envelator I'll be 
glad to try. Until now I used the envelator in a more traditional 
way. But I had great fun to feedback the envelopes (especially the 
decay-phase) to get them superexponetial. I also did that with my 
Blacet EG-1 (at first I turned a internal pot on the EG-1 to exp.) 
and worked well, but with a very diffrent character and not as fast 
as Grant's envelopes. 

So: what kind of other crazy stuff can the envelator do (or other 
wiard-modules)?

Olivier

(I forgot my craziest patch, but once I had a VERY chaotic sounding 
patch with the sequantizer). It was a sound like a big broken engine 
(I recorded a few minutes!)

Re: envelator: chaotic functions possible?

2001-10-11 by grantrichter2001@yahoo.com

> So: what kind of other crazy stuff can the envelator do (or other 
> wiard-modules)?

OK Envelator tips and tricks!

Since there are two envelators I will use 1 on the left and 2 on the 
right. It doesn't matter though.

1. Shorting OUT+ of 1 to OUT+ of 2 in cycle mode will make the 
Envelators alternate. This is the same as patching END1 to 
GATE2 and END2 to GATE1.

2. Shorting SQR1 to SQR2 will produce hard synch in cycle 
mode. You can also run an external oscillator into the SQR 
output to produce hard synch.

3. Use the mixer at the bottom as a logic inverter to get 
quadrature operation like the Buchla. Patch SQR1 to MIXMOD 
input and set the MIXMOD control to max. Set MIX to minimum. 
Put a dummy plug in MIX2. Route 10 volts from a Joystick set to 
maximum to MIX1. The MIX output is now the inverted version of 
SQR1. If you route that to GATE2, the second envelator will start 
it's attack exactly when the first envelator finishes it's attack and 
enters decay phase.

4. For chaotic function generation, patch AMOD1 and DMOD1 to 
OUT+2 and/or OUT-2. The patch AMOD2 and DMOD2 to the 
outputs of envelator 1. Put both in cycle mode. This is the classic 
"tail chasing" oscillators that was used in the original 
demonstration of chaotic systems. Listen at the MIX ouput. You 
will have to set both attack and decay controls to less than 
maximum. Try various settings of A,D,AMOD and DMOD for 
different effects.

Re: envelator: chaotic functions possible?

2001-10-13 by drmabuce@yahoo.com

Hi Olivier,
   sorry for the delay in my answer. I was sick last week. I love 
messy chaotic patches, so your question was all the more intriguing. 
   Here is the most self-disorganizing patch in my repetoire that uses 
a single envelator as an audio source:
   
   patch cords:
   DMOD1 to OUT-2
   SQR1 to GATE2
   GATE1 to SQR2
   OUT+1 to MIX1
   OUT-1 to MIXMOD
   DMOD2 to MIX OUT
   OUT+2 to MIX2
   OUT+2 to audio input of amplifier path

knobs:
(given as clock hour-hand positions)
(approximate - but it's the best I can do with text)
attack1 - 11:00         attack2 - 1:00
                        decay2  - 11:00
Amod1-doesn't matter    Amod2   - doesn't matter
                        Mix - 5:00 (maximum)
------------------------
Decay1, Dmod1, MixMod & Dmod2 become interactive, You just play with 
them until the sound makes you happy (or disturbed)

switches:
1-AD  2-cycle

thats it... have fun!

-doc


PS: your music is beautiful & astonishing, and I know that I'm not 
alone in that opinion.
    Also, I understand that you are Swiss. May I say that I think you 
communicate very well in english... certainly better than I could in 
French or German.



 


--- In wiardgroup@y..., googol@g... wrote:
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> 
> if anyone have some ideas whats possible with the envelator I'll be 
> glad to try. Until now I used the envelator in a more traditional 
> way. But I had great fun to feedback the envelopes (especially the 
> decay-phase) to get them superexponetial. I also did that with my 
> Blacet EG-1 (at first I turned a internal pot on the EG-1 to exp.) 
> and worked well, but with a very diffrent character and not as fast 
> as Grant's envelopes. 
> 
> So: what kind of other crazy stuff can the envelator do (or other 
> wiard-modules)?
> 
> Olivier
> 
> (I forgot my craziest patch, but once I had a VERY chaotic sounding 
> patch with the sequantizer). It was a sound like a big broken engine 
> (I recorded a few minutes!)

Re: envelator: chaotic functions possible?

2001-10-13 by googol@gmx.ch

Hey! thank you all,

I really can't wait to try that all out. But I have to wait a while, 
because the wiard is in use for a new track and, I the melody-linie 
isn't finished (it is a Wiard-FM-Sound). I guess the envelator 
together with the woggle-Bug (I ordered one) will be the ultimate 
Chaos-Combination. One of the cool things about the Wiard is that it 
does sound so well in extreme conditions. I tried some patches 
created on the wiard on my other modulars (Selector, Blacet, 
Doepfer/AS) but they didn't work. 
Something off-topic: I managed to program a exact 909-style Bassdrum. 
It isn't possible with the OMNI in Low-pass Mode. But if you choose 
Highpass and turn Cutoff full anti clockwise. (feed a sinus with env 
on the tune) = instant 909, but more punch with some dirt. 

Olivier
Dr. Mabuce: Thanks for your support! 



--- In wiardgroup@y..., drmabuce@y... wrote:
> Hi Olivier,
>    sorry for the delay in my answer. I was sick last week. I love 
> messy chaotic patches, so your question was all the more 
intriguing. 
>    Here is the most self-disorganizing patch in my repetoire that 
uses 
> a single envelator as an audio source:
>    
>    patch cords:
>    DMOD1 to OUT-2
>    SQR1 to GATE2
>    GATE1 to SQR2
>    OUT+1 to MIX1
>    OUT-1 to MIXMOD
>    DMOD2 to MIX OUT
>    OUT+2 to MIX2
>    OUT+2 to audio input of amplifier path
> 
> knobs:
> (given as clock hour-hand positions)
> (approximate - but it's the best I can do with text)
> attack1 - 11:00         attack2 - 1:00
>                         decay2  - 11:00
> Amod1-doesn't matter    Amod2   - doesn't matter
>                         Mix - 5:00 (maximum)
> ------------------------
> Decay1, Dmod1, MixMod & Dmod2 become interactive, You just play 
with 
> them until the sound makes you happy (or disturbed)
> 
> switches:
> 1-AD  2-cycle
> 
> thats it... have fun!
> 
> -doc
> 
> 
> PS: your music is beautiful & astonishing, and I know that I'm not 
> alone in that opinion.
>     Also, I understand that you are Swiss. May I say that I think 
you 
> communicate very well in english... certainly better than I could 
in 
> French or German.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@y..., googol@g... wrote:
> > 
> > if anyone have some ideas whats possible with the envelator I'll 
be 
> > glad to try. Until now I used the envelator in a more traditional 
> > way. But I had great fun to feedback the envelopes (especially 
the 
> > decay-phase) to get them superexponetial. I also did that with my 
> > Blacet EG-1 (at first I turned a internal pot on the EG-1 to 
exp.) 
> > and worked well, but with a very diffrent character and not as 
fast 
> > as Grant's envelopes. 
> > 
> > So: what kind of other crazy stuff can the envelator do (or other 
> > wiard-modules)?
> > 
> > Olivier
> > 
> > (I forgot my craziest patch, but once I had a VERY chaotic 
sounding 
> > patch with the sequantizer). It was a sound like a big broken 
engine 
> > (I recorded a few minutes!)

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