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Why fiberglass faceplates for Frac-Rac

2007-03-18 by Grant Richter

I don't know if anyone remembers the "crop circles" keyboard that Don Buchla made. From the one picture I have seen of it, it looks like it was designed for quradraphonic panning. It was arranged in a circle with 4 quadrants of "woven" traces. It looked like each quadrant produce

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-18 by Grant Richter

> but, would this work for 300? isn't one of the points of the 300 to > be fully shielded? The 300 series will stay exactly as it is. I was refering to fiberglass panels only for inexpensive systems like Frac-Rac or Euro-Rack.

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-17 by drmabuce

Hi Mike --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Michael A. Firman" wrote: > > > I worry a bit about a fiberglass face plate that incorporates certain components > (other than knobs, sliders, and jacks). > If I'm constantly plugging and unplugging patch cords to a module, I'm flexing

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-17 by John

I know what you mean but I really think the photos exaggerate this. It all depends how the light hits it. True, they do vary SLIGHTLY but not enough to make a difference. Especially when you consider how bad ass a Wiard is!!! Regards, John On 3/15/07 5:40 PM, "amnesia" wrote: > >

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Re: Wiard/Evenfall Mini Modular

2007-03-17 by simulacreant

I cannot forget the fantastic experience I had with mine and have been desperately searching for a replacement ever since. I've been in touch with Chris numerous times over the last several years and he's been helpful with my numerous questions. I hope you do get in touch with hi

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-17 by Michael A. Firman

I worry a bit about a fiberglass face plate that incorporates certain components (other than knobs, sliders, and jacks). Particularly surface mount components. If I'm constantly plugging and unplugging patch cords to a module, I'm flexing (maybe ever so slightly, but depending on

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-17 by Josue Arias

Not very innovative really. My old driscoll/serge modular from the 70s uses the same concept, the back for the front panel have the circuit for the bananas and pot conections and the actual electronics for the module is plugged in the back of the faceplate using an edge connector

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Re: Wiard/Evenfall Mini Modular

2007-03-16 by Grant Richter

That is a great little instrument. It was originally slated to be the Wiard Model 3600, but I decided to pass on it because we could not find knobs to fit the little nubby pot shafts. They are just like TR-808 tuning pots. I feared the lack of knobs would limits sales too much. E

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by the finger

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" wrote: > > If the public could change their perception of how a synthesizer module must be > constructed, we could have a renaisance unlike anything in the past. > i'm GO for fibreglass do it! but, would this work for 300? isn't

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by drmabuce

Hi Matthew --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "mritenburg" wrote:> > I see no compelling reason why a person should not be able to > request aluminum face plates if they are willing to incur the cost. i can envision a compelling reason. Though at this early stage i concede that i

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by (i think you can figure that out)

There is a sexiness to a wood faceplate, and FR4 material certainly an interesting alternative in the same aesthetic sense,. My question is how does one assure that the faceplate is uniformly and adequately protected (grounded) when made of materials with such a high degree of el

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by Dump Static

You could glue a veneer of wood onto a fibreglass panel. I always thought it would be neat looking to cut the panel text completely through the panel (you'd have to use a stencil-type font) and have a lamp inside the cabinet. Maybe put a colored gel in there to get different text

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"mritenburg" <mritenburg@yahoo.com>

2007-03-16 by Frank Hettlich

Hi Matt, I highly respect your comments on all the yahoo groups regarding modular synths! I remember that you sold your Wiard system (for a very attractive price to a swiss guy...) and bought a Buchla 200e. What do you think about both modulars? (I read a post from you some time

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by Michael A. Firman

Hi Bob, I'm going to be at AHMW (probably with my 12 module 300 series Wiard system amongst other gizmos). I'd like to see those fiberglass front paneled modules. --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "data2action" wrote: > > about half of my modular (http://www.fluxmonkey.com/fluxG

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by Gary Chang

Matthew, Take a close look at an old Buchla Kinesthic Input Port controller, or the Buchla Music Easel keyboard - it has a construction similar what Grant is describing. IMHO, give me a "classic" Wiard front panel on my modules. Ten years later, they still look great, and are eas

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by mritenburg

I like the way those green fibre glass face plates look. I also like the plain black and gold aluminum face plates done for the non- production custom wiard systems. I think offering both aluminum and fibre glass for the classic 300 series modules instead of one or the other woul

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by plord@there.org

Mark Griffiths wrote: > thanks, I did hope so. I didn't realise it's the same power > supply..that's a bonus! regards, Mark One point of clarification: the power supply, voltages, etc. are the same, but I think the actual power cables for the 300 series may be different? In the n

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-16 by data2action

about half of my modular (http://www.fluxmonkey.com/fluxGear.htm) has fiberglass front panels... my local surpus shop had a boxload of double-thick, doublesided blank PCBs almost perfectly sized as 2wice a standard frac module. biggest advantage for me is workability--i don't hav

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WTB: Evenfall Mini Modular

2007-03-16 by simulacreant

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "drmabuce" wrote: > PS: > i remember the Evenfall too! > Wish I hadn't sold mine. I'll make a nice offer on an excellent/mint one.

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RE: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by John Loffink

Grant, While you’re at it, you could take the engraving of the 300 series, etch them with copper on the fiberglass PCB panels, silver plate them, and run tiny vias from them to the back for surface mounted components and more traces. This way the esthetic design becomes part of t

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Mark Griffiths

thanks, I did hope so. I didn't realise it's the same power supply..that's a bonus! regards, Mark plord@there.org wrote: Mark Griffiths wrote: > Soon after my initial yelp of pain I realized I wasn't thinking modular. > If the 300 series modules can patch to Blacet/1200 Wiard and

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by > angelzero <

You might take a look back at message #25 in this list, where Grant explains the uncontrollable differences in the faceplate color. --- amnesia wrote: > The only issue I have with the Wiard blue series is > I have seen some > peoples systems where they have obviously bought > mod

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by stefanbonnet

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, amnesia wrote: > > here are 2 photos of fibreglass test modules > http://www.flickr.com/photos/45395793@N00/?saved=1 It looks soft, warm, almost translucent...nice !

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by plord@there.org

Mark Griffiths wrote: > Soon after my initial yelp of pain I realized I wasn't thinking modular. > If the 300 series modules can patch to Blacet/1200 Wiard and Banalogue > then it's only another slightly different rack. I can take things like > the Sequantizer and just patch in a

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by amnesia

The only issue I have with the Wiard blue series is I have seen some peoples systems where they have obviously bought modules over time and the blue face plates dont really look to be exactly the same blue. :-) I am being really anal but i do like a uniform looking system.

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by amnesia

here are 2 photos of fibreglass test modules http://www.flickr.com/photos/45395793@N00/?saved=1 if the fibreglass end result gave me the beautiful blue celtic design for a cheaper price that would mean that on roughly the 9th module it was free :-) timothy cooper wrote: > > And y

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by imabadbadkat96

I'm in the minority here, but I have to say that I do not like the idea of fiberglass. I will admit though that this is purely for aesthetic reasons, and has nothing to do with functionality. Grant built me a beautiful Series 300 system with gold faceplates. Even powered down, it

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Mark Griffiths

Soon after my initial yelp of pain I realized I wasn't thinking modular. If the 300 series modules can patch to Blacet/1200 Wiard and Banalogue then it's only another slightly different rack. I can take things like the Sequantizer and just patch in and out. Hope I am right..can s

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by timothy cooper

And yet another supporter of the fiberglass revolution that seems to be taking place! Fantastic concept and great possibilites! Just Do it!!! Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by plord@there.org

Grant writes: > > If the buying public was willing to accept faceplates made from > fiberglass instead of metal, it would open the floodgates to new module > designs. Count me as a vote for "Yes! Go do that! I'll buy them!" Paul

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by watson

see i think we can totally get a few people to invest in a system like this, and make it worth doing....now we would just need some pricing before commitment, i hope with the faceplates and the absence of the 1200 series the 300 series will be able to come down in price a tad....

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Les Mizzell

> If the buying public was willing to accept faceplates made from fiberglass > instead of metal, it would open the floodgates to new module designs. I've got *zero* problems with this. I would also mean slightly less $$ for a module too, as I'm now not paying $70.00 just for the

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by mritenburg

I am intrigued by this fiberglass faceplate idea. I would like to see a proof-of-concept to get a firm grasp of the final product. --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" wrote: > > If the public could change their perception of how a synthesizer module must be > const

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cheap plastic %$#@!

2007-03-15 by drmabuce

(sorry Professor, i just -had- to jump in on this) --- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" wrote: > > It is a practical idea, but the world is not yet ready for it. > i'm ready but i gave up on any hope of obtaining the 'world's' approbation decades ago, so this positi

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Chris Moser

I'm ready. You go...you totally go. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Richter To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production If the public could change their perception of how a synthesiz

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by John Mahoney

At 10:17 PM 3/14/2007, Grant Richter wrote: >If the public could change their perception of how a synthesizer >module must be >constructed, we could have a renaisance unlike anything in the past. > >[snip] >It is a practical idea, but the world is not yet ready for it. True, and

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Eyesaw

What would be undesirable about the fiberglass? I had not heard this idea before but I say go with the glass. Many advantages - can someone suggest a disadvantage? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Richter To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by watson

maybe they just need a proper introduction....i would buy wiard modules made of fiber or any other material that would be deemed apropriate by grant....maybe you should try it out with some of us on the list and see how the reaction is, worst case scenario some of us will save mo

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by nicholas_kent

>If the > buying public was willing to accept faceplates made from fiberglass instead of metal, it > would open the floodgates to new module designs. > > You can hardly see the difference either, the fiberglass is painted and silkscreened just like > the metal. Plus fiberglass is

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by don hassler

Well, the Cracklebox... Anyway, I would think most customers would appreciate the savings, sounds like a very good idea. --- Grant Richter wrote: > If the public could change their perception of how a > synthesizer module must be > constructed, we could have a renaisance unlike >

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by simulacreant

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Grant Richter" wrote: > I have heard this idea repeatedly from many people, but no one believes people will buy > modules with fiberglass faceplates. It is not historical. > > There are also design advantages to PC material faceplates. The > >

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Tyler Harwood

I bet lots of people would happily buy a synth module with a fiberglass or PC materials faceplate, especially if it was designed with some "pizzazz". There are a bunch of new options visually that could be exciting. Transparency of some of these materials could be taken advantage

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Bruce Duncan

At 09:17 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: >If the public could change their perception of how a synthesizer >module must be >constructed, we could have a renaisance unlike anything in the past. > >The single most expensive component in a synthesizer is the aluminum >faceplate. > >There i

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Re: 300 series back in full production

2007-03-15 by Grant Richter

If the public could change their perception of how a synthesizer module must be constructed, we could have a renaisance unlike anything in the past. The single most expensive component in a synthesizer is the aluminum faceplate. There is only one source for turnkey faceplaces in

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Re: [wiardgroup] 300 series back in full production

2007-03-14 by > angelzero <

(Long shot)--Given demand, is there any chance for new designs (in part or full) to emerge in frac format, despite the push back to the 300 series, or is frac being completely abandoned? Hans --- Grant Richter wrote: > I'm have put the 300 series back in full production. > > The

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Re: [wiardgroup] Re:300 series back in full production

2007-03-14 by John

What difference will these being in full production have on the price/availability? As I understand they were still available even after Grant axed them. They just cost more. I wonder what\u2019s the new status? Regards, John On 3/14/07 11:50 AM, "Sam Ecoff" wrote: I was disappoi

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