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Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-01-23 by hnrgaardmadsen

Hello,
I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.

All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!

Best regards,
Helge

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-01-23 by PeWe


If the MPU is available at all !

I own a DX7mkII too and I´m lucky to have the Yamaha service in my hometown.

I had such a prob w/ my Roland D550,- it recieved MIDI, I could operate it from the fronpanel, the display showed all,- but no tone.
In the end, it was the processor which recieved the MIDI but didn´t transmit info to the tone generator.
The search for the now unavailable processor chip incl. Roland firmware/software (embedded in the chip itself) needed over a year.
The Roland service, also in my hometown, was unable to order the chip in japan,- out of stock ...
Now we found it new at Roland service department in another country.
Soldering out the damaged MPU is easier than getting the new one in without damage of the new chip.
You should have the right tools or contact Yamaha service.
Where are you located ?


Am 23.01.2011 13:01, schrieb hnrgaardmadsen:
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All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!

Best regards,
Helge



Re: Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-01-23 by narfman96

Hi Helge,

I had the same problem with a DX7-IIFD. There was no 500 khz and the 8 mhz clock input was clean. Address lines were floating and noisy. When I replaced the HD63B03YP MPU the synth would boot and load patches but there was no sound output from the YM3609 and YM2604 sound chips. The mix line was silent if I remember correctly. The MPU and YM chips would get slightly warm to the touch. I never got any further with it because I found a parts donor. I did spend several months of spare time troubleshooting this synth though.

Have fun desoldering the SDIP .070 lead pitch. This MPU is not your ordinary 64 pin DIP. I did manage to find the Hitachi MPU and a socket for it but that was a while ago.

Good luck,  Fran   

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello,
> I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
> Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.
> 
> All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!
> 
> Best regards,
> Helge
>

Re: Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-01-23 by Doug

Hi,
You don't say if you are measuring with a meter or scope.  That would help knowing before going further.
Have you checked all power supplies for correct voltage?
Doug

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello,
> I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
> Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.
> 
> All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!
> 
> Best regards,
> Helge
>

Re: Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-01-23 by hnrgaardmadsen

Hello All,
I measured my DX7 with a scope, that's how I found traces of the 8 MHz at places where I didn't expect it at all. And yes, I did check the PS, it gives out +/- 12V and 5V and all. Even the battery is ok ;)
Thank you to all of you for the effort so far; it shure would be great to get the old bugger playing again. By the way, getting a new MPU shouldn't be a problem - if only I order at least ten!

Sincerely
Helge


--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <dougslocum@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> You don't say if you are measuring with a meter or scope.  That would help knowing before going further.
> Have you checked all power supplies for correct voltage?
> Doug
> 
> --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
> > Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.
> > 
> > All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Helge
> >
>

Re: Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-02-09 by hnrgaardmadsen

And it still refuses working. I've changed the MPU now, and at least that helped a little - I don't get traces of 8 MHz anywhere it is not supposed to be. But the rest is the same: Everything that can light up at all does light up, and nothing more happens.
Any ideas anyone?

Sincerely,
Helge


--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> Hello All,
> I measured my DX7 with a scope, that's how I found traces of the 8 MHz at places where I didn't expect it at all. And yes, I did check the PS, it gives out +/- 12V and 5V and all. Even the battery is ok ;)
> Thank you to all of you for the effort so far; it shure would be great to get the old bugger playing again. By the way, getting a new MPU shouldn't be a problem - if only I order at least ten!
> 
> Sincerely
> Helge
> 
> 
> --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <dougslocum@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > You don't say if you are measuring with a meter or scope.  That would help knowing before going further.
> > Have you checked all power supplies for correct voltage?
> > Doug
> > 
> > --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
> > > Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.
> > > 
> > > All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Helge
> > >
> >
>

Re: Yamaha DX7-II refuses working

2011-02-09 by narfman96

Darn, all that work desoldering the CPU...

Do you have the 500khz coming from the CPU? Could the sub-CPU be interrupting the main-CPU? Also have you checked the eprom for the proper checksum? Disconnect all the peripheral circuits like the keyboard, switch boards, etc. You may need the display connected because in some synths like the Alesis QS a bad or missing display can actually keep the synth from booting. The other frail chips on the board are the SRAM memory chips. You did say you have good power supply voltages with very little AC ripple.  

That's the problem with trying to troubleshoot the digital circuitry. You have no idea what kind of surge or what conditions actually lead to the failure. It may actually be that every processor and voice chip is fried. I have a SY85 that had a bad solder joint on the ground leg of the 7805 regulator. The entire digital section was exposed to 8 volts or more. This SY85 has all sorts of flaky digital issues including rebooting every 10 minutes or so.
 
Hope this helps,  Fran

--- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@...> wrote:
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>
> And it still refuses working. I've changed the MPU now, and at least that helped a little - I don't get traces of 8 MHz anywhere it is not supposed to be. But the rest is the same: Everything that can light up at all does light up, and nothing more happens.
> Any ideas anyone?
> 
> Sincerely,
> Helge
> 
> 
> --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hello All,
> > I measured my DX7 with a scope, that's how I found traces of the 8 MHz at places where I didn't expect it at all. And yes, I did check the PS, it gives out +/- 12V and 5V and all. Even the battery is ok ;)
> > Thank you to all of you for the effort so far; it shure would be great to get the old bugger playing again. By the way, getting a new MPU shouldn't be a problem - if only I order at least ten!
> > 
> > Sincerely
> > Helge
> > 
> > 
> > --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "Doug" <dougslocum@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > You don't say if you are measuring with a meter or scope.  That would help knowing before going further.
> > > Have you checked all power supplies for correct voltage?
> > > Doug
> > > 
> > > --- In vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com, "hnrgaardmadsen" <helge1961@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I'm currently trying to make a DX7-IID work. At power-up, all LEDs and the display lights up, and nothing more happens.
> > > > Measuring at the MPU, it does get the 8 MHz clock signal, but it does not output the 500 KHz clock signal at pin 15. Besides, most of the adress pins (34-50) have a weird output of constantly 1.5V. - and at a few of the pins above 50, there is a slight trace of the 8 MHz clock signal. I have measured the TC40Hxxx circuits directly connected to the resonator and the crystal; they seem to work ok. And none of them run hot. As a matter of fact, nothing in the machine runs hot.
> > > > 
> > > > All in all, I'm suspicious that it is the MPU that has given in. Does anybody have any experience with this problem? Frankly, I hope it is something else than the MPU, it seems to be quite a job to desolder it and replace it with a new one. Any ideas will be appreciated!
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Helge
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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