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2000-12-05 by Steve Maietta
Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube overdrive/distortion curcut? You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to us kit builders. aw gee Paul C'mon..... ~Steve
2000-12-05 by Paul Schreiber
Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. And I can sleep at night. Paul S. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > overdrive/distortion curcut? > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > us kit builders. > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > ~Steve > > > > >
2000-12-05 by Nathan Hunsicker
Any chance that we'll ever see an "effects loop" module? Maybe a module with 4 in's and 4 outs that would take a 10v p-p signal and drop it to line or instrument level to run through external effects and then take the line or instrument level signal and amplify it back up to MOTM levels. It would be usefull for using stomp boxes, effects processors, tuners, tape delays, etc... If it's not a viable MOTM idea, then maybe a DIY effort? any thoughts? -Nate --- In motm@egroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. > And I can sleep > at night. > > Paul S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@a...> > To: <motm@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > > overdrive/distortion curcut? > > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > > us kit builders. > > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > > >
2000-12-05 by weld@buffalo.com
patch bays work good for this. Jim Nathan Hunsicker wrote:
> Any chance that we'll ever see an "effects loop" module? Maybe a module > with 4 in's and 4 outs that would take a 10v p-p signal and drop it to > line or instrument level to run through external effects and then take > the line or instrument level signal and amplify it back up to MOTM > levels. It would be usefull for using stomp boxes, effects processors, > tuners, tape delays, etc... If it's not a viable MOTM idea, then maybe > a DIY effort? any thoughts? -Nate > > --- In motm@egroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote: > > Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. > > And I can sleep > > at night. > > > > Paul S. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@a...> > > To: <motm@egroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > > Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > > > > > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > > > overdrive/distortion curcut? > > > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > > > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > > > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > > > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > > > us kit builders. > > > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2000-12-05 by Nathan Hunsicker
a patch bay wouldn't allow for the signal attenuation/amplification. check out: http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/INTERFACE.GIF it might help you to see what i am talking about. -Nate --- In motm@egroups.com, weld@b... wrote:
> patch bays work good for this. > Jim > > Nathan Hunsicker wrote: > > > Any chance that we'll ever see an "effects loop" module? Maybe a module > > with 4 in's and 4 outs that would take a 10v p-p signal and drop it to > > line or instrument level to run through external effects and then take > > the line or instrument level signal and amplify it back up to MOTM > > levels. It would be usefull for using stomp boxes, effects processors, > > tuners, tape delays, etc... If it's not a viable MOTM idea, then maybe > > a DIY effort? any thoughts? -Nate > > > > --- In motm@egroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote: > > > Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. > > > And I can sleep > > > at night. > > > > > > Paul S. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@a...> > > > To: <motm@egroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > > > Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > > > > > > > > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > > > > overdrive/distortion curcut? > > > > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > > > > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > > > > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > > > > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > > > > us kit builders. > > > > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2000-12-05 by Thomas Hudson
Nathan Hunsicker wrote: > > Any chance that we'll ever see an "effects loop" module? Maybe a module > with 4 in's and 4 outs that would take a 10v p-p signal and drop it to > line or instrument level to run through external effects and then take > the line or instrument level signal and amplify it back up to MOTM > levels. It would be usefull for using stomp boxes, effects processors, > tuners, tape delays, etc... If it's not a viable MOTM idea, then maybe > a DIY effort? any thoughts? -Nate > Actually Paul already has an input module planned. I can't remember if the preamp is separate friom the EF or the same module. Perhaps we just need a good stereo output module, maybe with variable attenuation and balanced XLR's. Though I could see how your module idea would be useful. However, a 1U single channel "Effects Loop" with variable level effects send and effect receive might be more flexible. Four jacks would be 10vpp in, 1vpp out, 1vpp in, 10vpp out. Tomy
2000-12-05 by weld@buffalo.com
oooh I see, one of our utility ideas. yes id like one, perhaps combined with our invertor, and attenuator ideas, but i beg of everyone....pleeeeeease, the mixer module first??? : ) Jim Nathan Hunsicker wrote:
> a patch bay wouldn't allow for the signal attenuation/amplification. > check out: > http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/INTERFACE.GIF > it might help you to see what i am talking about. -Nate > --- In motm@egroups.com, weld@b... wrote: > > patch bays work good for this. > > Jim > > > > Nathan Hunsicker wrote: > > > > > Any chance that we'll ever see an "effects loop" module? Maybe a module > > > with 4 in's and 4 outs that would take a 10v p-p signal and drop it to > > > line or instrument level to run through external effects and then take > > > the line or instrument level signal and amplify it back up to MOTM > > > levels. It would be usefull for using stomp boxes, effects processors, > > > tuners, tape delays, etc... If it's not a viable MOTM idea, then maybe > > > a DIY effort? any thoughts? -Nate > > > > > > --- In motm@egroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote: > > > > Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. > > > > And I can sleep > > > > at night. > > > > > > > > Paul S. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@a...> > > > > To: <motm@egroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > > > > > overdrive/distortion curcut? > > > > > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > > > > > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > > > > > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > > > > > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > > > > > us kit builders. > > > > > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > > > > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
2000-12-05 by Thomas Hudson
Nathan Hunsicker wrote: > > a patch bay wouldn't allow for the signal attenuation/amplification. > check out: > http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/INTERFACE.GIF Ignore my previous message, you're way ahead of me. This is exactly what I want! Tomy
2000-12-05 by Tony Allgood
>.... Perhaps we just need a good stereo output module, maybe with variable attenuation and balanced XLR's. This ones coming in January from me. The PCB just went to fab today. Along with some more MultiMixes. But the line-out/line-in module is a good idea. I have been needing something like this just this week. But it is unlikely to come up as a project from me for the moment. And although I'm highly tempted to do a tube pre-amp/limiter... I won't for the same reasons as Paul. Regards, Tony Allgood Penrith, Cumbria, England Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030: www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan
2000-12-06 by perpetual@uswest.net
> And although I'm highly tempted to do a tube pre-amp/limiter... I won't > for the same reasons as Paul. okay you two, lay it out. what's the big deal? in talking to an electronics building friend of mine (and customer of your's mr. allgood), he made it seem like tube preamp building was a piece of cake. as we were sitting there in my car on a dust storm-ravaged burning man road, he sketched out a basic tube pre-amp schem in like two minutes. "much easier than transistor stuff" he said. "been doing it since i was a teenager" he said. maybe i missed the emails where you guys waxed poetic about just how much lethal voltage we were all getting ourselves into, but besides an envelope follower, my most desired module would be some kinda of tube VCA. don't let that dickhead eric barbour (whoops, did i just say dickhead?) have all the fun. i'm gonna have to resort to rackmounting a fisher reciever here in a month or two. alex
2000-12-07 by Tony Allgood
> what's the big deal? (with tube amps) The tube amp itself is very easy really. There are plenty of good designs out there in netland to copy and improve upon. BUT... the MOTM power supply gives out only +15V. Now we need to get this up to 100V or higher to run our tube(s) properly. This can be done by a variety of ways but it is noisy, in an interfering with gentle analogue electronics, kind of way. If we had access to the AC line voltage, or even a low voltage AC feed it would be easier. However, any voltage above 25V needs to be insulated to prevent any contact between it and you. This is very hard on my PCBs, open at the back, and even on Paul's he needs to consider how he's going to get the power to the tubes safely. I have shied away from my own power supply project too, although I do have one of my own, I do not intend to market any PCB for it. I actually don't know what the legal restrictions are on selling to users with regard to line level or equivalent voltages. But it does appear to be a minefield that I do not intend to go into. If someone were to illuminate me on this topic I would be interested. But no matter how many disclaimers I make with this sort of project, I wonder just how safe my liability is. Regards, Tony Allgood Penrith, Cumbria, England Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030: www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan
2000-12-07 by perpetual@uswest.net
> I actually > don't know what the legal restrictions are on selling to users with > regard to line level or equivalent voltages. But it does appear to be a > minefield that I do not intend to go into. If someone were to illuminate > me on this topic I would be interested. But no matter how many > disclaimers I make with this sort of project, I wonder just how safe my > liability is. thanks for the email tony, it all definitely makes sense. it was the "tubes have to get up to 100v" part that i missed. i don't know, even with all this info, the prospect sounds so enticing. is it even possible? not even something (reportedly) difficult like a tube oscillator, but just basically a tube amp with voltage controlled volume. gawd, i'm dripping saliva on my desk. alex
2000-12-07 by J. Larry Hendry
OK Paul, Since you think the ART Leveler is better (I assume that means better than your prototype) I ordered one today. They are $79 at Musicians friend. They also have something similar packaged as a tube pre-amp for $99. I'll report back to the group on my success using same with MOTM. Stooge Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. And I can sleep at night. Paul S. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@...> To: <motm@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > overdrive/distortion curcut? > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind of warning > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > us kit builders. > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > ~Steve > > > > >
2000-12-08 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)
I'll be particularily interested to know how is does with distortion, since that's where my tube interests lie. --PBr, antici..... pation!
> -----Original Message----- > From: J. Larry Hendry [SMTP:jlarryh@...] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:21 PM > To: motm@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > OK Paul, Since you think the ART Leveler is better (I assume that means > better than your prototype) I ordered one today. They are $79 at > Musicians > friend. They also have something similar packaged as a tube pre-amp for > $99. I'll report back to the group on my success using same with MOTM. > Stooge Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> > To: <motm@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does a better job. > And I can sleep > at night. >
2000-12-13 by David Bivins
Just wanted to throw in here that I use two ART Levelars on almost everything. I use them to tame analog kicks and other sharp, percussive sounds, often with the FR777, and quite a bit on MOTM outputs. It's easy to get a relatively transparent setting (for limiting) or something much more severe. I think it complements anything coming out of my modular quite well. I often forget I'm using them until I need to squash a signal a little more! I haven't used them (intentionally at least) for distortion. Yet. :) Zzounds.com was blowing them out for $69 awhile back. Then they took down the special, but when I e-mailed them (a couple of months ago), they said they would still sell them at that price. They're worth the money, in my opinion. David.
> -----Original Message----- > From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...] > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:21 PM > To: motm@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > OK Paul, Since you think the ART Leveler is better (I assume > that means > better than your prototype) I ordered one today. They are > $79 at Musicians > friend. They also have something similar packaged as a tube > pre-amp for > $99. I'll report back to the group on my success using same > with MOTM. > Stooge Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> > To: <motm@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > Actually, I was not that impressed. The A.R.T. Leveller does > a better job. > And I can sleep > at night. > > Paul S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Maietta" <revtor@...> > To: <motm@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 10:22 AM > Subject: [motm] Paul, listen to reason.. > > > > Didn't you say that you've designed and tested a tube > > overdrive/distortion curcut? > > You seriously wouldn't release it because of high voltage concerns? > > I mean, it's designed already! What if we all promise not to stand > > in water and play with the circuts? You can put some kind > of warning > > on it, maybe get the high voltage stuff prebuilt, leave the rest to > > us kit builders. > > aw gee Paul C'mon..... > > ~Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > eGroups eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/0/_/529958/_/976241644/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------_-> > > >