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Well, Paul shipped me more modules and I didn't have a place to put them so I had to
finish off my Moog-style "upper" cabinet, even without the flat rails.  I installed
the modules with temporary wood screws for now.  It came out pretty nice, if I do
say so myself.  It is 27U wide so it holds 13x2U modules plus one 1U module.  

I uploaded some pictures of the cabinet at various stages of construction into the
MOTM files area on egroups.com: http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/MoogCab/
I sent the plans out as an attachement long ago.  I'll try to dig up the file and
add it to the files area (its on another computer).

A few problems/lessons learned along the way:

- Watch out for wood warping.  A friend built the cabinet out of black birch that he
had been drying for >2 years but it still warped a bit.  It isn't bad but slightly
noticeable.

- The 3/8" bevel that I had for mounting the flat rails/modules wasn't really wide
enough.  I had my woodworker friend add an additional strip of wood on the inside to
build up the lip for mounting the rail and modules.

- I used Minwax dark walnut stain and it was *really* dark.  Again, it looks OK but
a lighter stain (such as regular walnut) would have been closer to the Moog walnut. 
I lightend it a bit by rubbing the darkest spots with a rag soaked in paint thinner.

- I used some T-nuts for mounting the power distribution panels on spacers.  This
could have been done just as easy with bolts from below with washers and nuts on
top.  T-nuts didn't work with the power supply since there wasn't enough room to
insert the screws into the bottom plate of the power supply.

If you are interested in seeing a pic with the cabinet in the rest of the system,
send me a note.

Eric


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----- Original Message -----

From: alt-mode <alt_mode@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:09 PM
Subject: [motm] Moog/MOTM Cabinet


Well, Paul shipped me more modules and I didn't have a place to put them so
I had to
finish off my Moog-style "upper" cabinet, even without the flat rails.  I
installed
the modules with temporary wood screws for now.  It came out pretty nice, if
I do
say so myself.  It is 27U wide so it holds 13x2U modules plus one 1U module.

I uploaded some pictures of the cabinet at various stages of construction
into the
MOTM files area on egroups.com: http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/MoogCab/
I sent the plans out as an attachement long ago.  I'll try to dig up the
file and
add it to the files area (its on another computer).

A few problems/lessons learned along the way:

- Watch out for wood warping.  A friend built the cabinet out of black birch
that he
had been drying for >2 years but it still warped a bit.  It isn't bad but
slightly
noticeable.

- The 3/8" bevel that I had for mounting the flat rails/modules wasn't
really wide
enough.  I had my woodworker friend add an additional strip of wood on the
inside to
build up the lip for mounting the rail and modules.

- I used Minwax dark walnut stain and it was *really* dark.  Again, it looks
OK but
a lighter stain (such as regular walnut) would have been closer to the Moog
walnut.
I lightend it a bit by rubbing the darkest spots with a rag soaked in paint
thinner.

- I used some T-nuts for mounting the power distribution panels on spacers.
This
could have been done just as easy with bolts from below with washers and
nuts on
top.  T-nuts didn't work with the power supply since there wasn't enough
room to
insert the screws into the bottom plate of the power supply.

If you are interested in seeing a pic with the cabinet in the rest of the
system,
send me a note.

Eric


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Thanks for sharing Eric.  It looks nice.  Do you have a back planned for it?
If so, made of what?  Will you have any ventilation around the PS if you
have a back?

Larry H

----- Original Message -----
From: alt-mode <alt_mode@...>
To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:09 PM
Subject: [motm] Moog/MOTM Cabinet


Well, Paul shipped me more modules and I didn't have a place to put them so
I had to
finish off my Moog-style "upper" cabinet, even without the flat rails.  I
installed
the modules with temporary wood screws for now.  It came out pretty nice, if
I do
say so myself.  It is 27U wide so it holds 13x2U modules plus one 1U module.

I uploaded some pictures of the cabinet at various stages of construction
into the
MOTM files area on egroups.com: http://www.egroups.com/files/motm/MoogCab/
I sent the plans out as an attachement long ago.  I'll try to dig up the
file and
add it to the files area (its on another computer).

A few problems/lessons learned along the way:

- Watch out for wood warping.  A friend built the cabinet out of black birch
that he
had been drying for >2 years but it still warped a bit.  It isn't bad but
slightly
noticeable.

- The 3/8" bevel that I had for mounting the flat rails/modules wasn't
really wide
enough.  I had my woodworker friend add an additional strip of wood on the
inside to
build up the lip for mounting the rail and modules.

- I used Minwax dark walnut stain and it was *really* dark.  Again, it looks
OK but
a lighter stain (such as regular walnut) would have been closer to the Moog
walnut.
I lightend it a bit by rubbing the darkest spots with a rag soaked in paint
thinner.

- I used some T-nuts for mounting the power distribution panels on spacers.
This
could have been done just as easy with bolts from below with washers and
nuts on
top.  T-nuts didn't work with the power supply since there wasn't enough
room to
insert the screws into the bottom plate of the power supply.

If you are interested in seeing a pic with the cabinet in the rest of the
system,
send me a note.

Eric


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Thanks.  No, I wasn't planning a back for the cabinet at the moment.  Right now it
is sitting pretty close to a wall in the middle of a "stack" with no air vents
nearby so dust accumulation should be minimal.  The depth of the box at about 10"
also provides a pretty good overhang over the modules.  

If I do put a back on it, I will probably use some thin "Masonite" and put holes
around the PS. If the PS wasn't so close to the back, I would go even simpler and
tack some fabric, like chinz (sp) on the back.  I had been planning to do that for a
20" deep rack that has held my modules for about 10 months now but I noticed that
there was almost no dust on the modules in that amount of time.  If the modules had
been lower in the rack, perhaps that would have made a difference.  I find that
horizontal surfaces and stuff near the floor gets dusty in my studio.  The other
items stay fairly clean with little cleaning.

BTW, I forgot to thank you Larry, for providing the wire I used!  It was great stuff
and very easy to work with for the PS distribution.

Thanks,
    Eric

--- "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing Eric.  It looks nice.  Do you have a back planned for it?
> If so, made of what?  Will you have any ventilation around the PS if you
> have a back?
> 
> Larry H
> 



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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: alt-mode <alt_mode@...>
> No, I wasn't planning a back for the cabinet at the moment.

Thanks for all the additional info.  It certainly is a nice looking cabinet.
I love that look and am planning a very similar cabinet (but only 24 spaces
wide and 1/2 rack space taller for "Larry's magic bus" TM.

>  I find that horizontal surfaces and stuff near the floor
> gets dusty in my studio.  The other items stay fairly
> clean with little cleaning.

I think all my stuff came electrostatically charged from the manufacturer to
attract dust.  :)

> BTW, I forgot to thank you Larry, for providing the wire
> I used!  It was great stuff and very easy to work with for
> the PS distribution.

You're welcome.  I found it to be great stuff and use it myself.  I can get
several different types of the grey stuff.  Mostly # 12, and # 14 with the
very thin and flexible insulation.  I can also get some colored stuff (8
colors) which is about # 20 (maybe 18).  I use the red, black, and white (I
wonder what for).

The good thing is it is all free.  When we run cables at work, they leave
them long for termination. So, there are a lot of 6 to 10 foot scraps of
this stuff which are useless at work, but great for synth-diy projects.  Any
one wanting some of it just ask.  The bad part is, I just pick it up whan I
am on construction sites where wiring is being done.  So, if you need it
"next week" I might not have exactly what you need on hand.

Larry H

hello chaps

i've just seen that VEMIA (here in the UK) has three MOTM 800s up for
auction, reserve is £160 for the lot

check out www.vemia.co.uk lot number 10201

just to let my stance be known - i'm selling a pile of stuff (crap, erm
sorry, quality outboard), so i might just pick these three up (poor lonely
kittens)
however, if anyone else on this list intends bidding for them, i'll probably
just stand back and leave you to it
(private replies only..?)
the auction closes on 15th November (which is incidentally also my
birthday...)

cheers
paul b

From: alt-mode <alt_mode@...>
> If I do put a back on it, I will probably use some thin "Masonite" and put
holes
> around the PS. If the PS wasn't so close to the back, I would go even
simpler and
> tack some fabric, like chinz (sp) on the back

you don't mean that glazed floral fabric that characterises the late 19th
century, and brought back into fashion in the 1980s..?
(chintz)

noooo !!!!!

still i suppose it makes a change from fake fur or cabskin

cheers
paul b
(now back with the ex-missus, but only after completely dismantling his
studio first - ho hum)

From: Tkacs, Ken <ken.tkacs@...>
> Question--do you find the 10" depth "stable"? I was going to take
advantage
> of the shallow depth of the MOTM modules and keep depth to an absolute
> minimum (maybe 8" outside measurement), but I worry that I will plug a
patch
> cord in and push the whole thing over. Is this a silly worry? Even with
> rubber feet? That's an open question to any of you cabinet guys / Moog
> owners.

hello all (again)

my cabinet is double module depth, with power supply at rear) - it must be
around 12" deep (including patent "Oakley Lip" to protect pots in case of
dire emergency in transit). i haven't had a problem with cabinet movement
even with a three row high system - i think the secret is weight, what with
10mm MDF on an aluminium frame, the bugger has too much inertia, also a good
sturdy set of rubber feet helps

oh yes, and if you put the VCOs at the bottom and EGs at the top it keeps
the centre of gravity down :-)

cheers
paul b

> > around the PS. If the PS wasn't so close to the back, I would go even
> simpler and
> > tack some fabric, like chinz (sp) on the back
> 
> you don't mean that glazed floral fabric that characterises the late 19th
> century, and brought back into fashion in the 1980s..?
> (chintz)
> 
> noooo !!!!!
>
Nah, I meant the black stuff that is used on the bottom of furniture.
 
> still i suppose it makes a change from fake fur or cabskin
> 
Bleech, the mental picture is just too take on a Monday morning!

Eric

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Looks like you should win by default, Eh? No bids here.

Thomas White


>the auction closes on 15th November (which is incidentally also my
>birthday...)
>
>cheers
>paul b
>

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In a message dated 00-10-23 09:00:12 EDT, you write:

<< Nah, I meant the black stuff that is used on the bottom of furniture. >>


eric,
thats called "cambric" ( i don`t know why but as service mgr. at a furniture 
store, i order it all the time for the repair guys. i usually get gray as 
opposed to black. if you want to try it out, let me know and send me an 
address, i`ll gladly send you some.
best,
dave v.

The resources of this small list never cease to amaze me.
Larry H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <davevosh@...>
thats called "cambric" ( i don`t know why but as service mgr.
at a furniture store, i order it all the time for the repair guys.
i usually get gray as opposed to black. if you want to try it
out, let me know and send me an address, i`ll gladly send 
you some.
best,
dave v.

Wow, you learn something new every day!  Thanks Dave, for the correction,
explanation, and offer.

  Eric

BTW, I'm listening to Dweller At The Threshold "No Boundary Condition" right now. 
It just arrived today.  Very good stuff by Dave Fulton & friends!  I'm anxious to
listen to more!

--- davevosh@... wrote:
> In a message dated 00-10-23 09:00:12 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Nah, I meant the black stuff that is used on the bottom of furniture. >>
> 
> 
> eric,
> thats called "cambric" ( i don`t know why but as service mgr. at a furniture 
> store, i order it all the time for the repair guys. i usually get gray as 
> opposed to black. if you want to try it out, let me know and send me an 
> address, i`ll gladly send you some.
> best,
> dave v.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Just got mine today as well and am listening to it.  Very nice.

Dave

At 07:22 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:

>BTW, I'm listening to Dweller At The Threshold "No Boundary Condition" 
>right now.
>It just arrived today.  Very good stuff by Dave Fulton & friends!  I'm 
>anxious to
>listen to more!

--- In motm@egroups.com, Dave Hylander <david@h...> wrote:
> Just got mine today as well and am listening to it.  Very nice.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 07:22 PM 10/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >BTW, I'm listening to Dweller At The Threshold "No Boundary
Condition" 
> >right now.
> >It just arrived today.  Very good stuff by Dave Fulton & friends! 
I'm 
> >anxious to
> >listen to more!

Wow! Thanks guys!

It seems like it was done years ago! (It was!) A bunch of DAT's and a 
DR4d! I hope you will like the new one that now due to a "renewed" 
focus on family it delayed by at least a few months!

BTW: Dave that web page was killer. 

Dave F

In a message dated 00-10-23 19:52:41 EDT, you write:

<< 
 The resources of this small list never cease to amaze me.
 Larry H.
  >>


larry,
same applies to you or anyone on the list who would like to try it as "back 
of the cabinet" material, if you want some, tell me how much you need and 
give me an address to mail it to.
best,
dave v.

In a message dated 00-10-23 22:38:05 EDT, you write:

<< Wow, you learn something new every day!  >>


eric,
like i said, it would be no problem, just let me know and send an address if 
you want to try it.
best,
dave v.

Thanks for the offer Dave.  I am still planning the removable closed back
approach.  However, I really do find everyone else's choices and designs
interesting.  I like stealing.... errr, I mean borrowing other people's
ideas.
:)
Larry H

----- Original Message -----
From: <davevosh@...>
larry,
same applies to you or anyone on the list who would
like to try it as "back of the cabinet" material, if you
want some, tell me how much you need and give me
an address to mail it to.
best,
dave v.

In a message dated 00-10-24 21:53:23 EDT, you write:

<< I am still planning the removable closed back
 approach.  >>


larry,
okay, just wanted to offer in case it was something you could use.
best,
dave v.