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RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions

RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions

2000-04-05 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)

I'm not quite clear... how is this different from a band-pass filter with
modulated Q / width and frequency?  Not that it wouldn't be really cool, I'm
just wondering if I'm missing a nuance?

--PBr
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> From:	David Bivins [SMTP:dbivins@...]
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> Subject:	RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions     
> 
> Just think of how much fun (and how
> useful) it would be to control both of those expressive elements at once!
> Consider multiplying a keyboard tracking CV and inputting it into FM1 of
> each filter, with a slightly different offset on each; how about the same
> patch but with a lag processor between one of the CVs and one of the FM
> inputs! I'm salivating.
>

RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions

2000-04-05 by Dave Bradley

With a resonant highpass and resonant lowpass hooked in series, you get 2
resonant peaks at the corners, instead of 1 in the center for a single
bandpass. Also, you can control the cutoffs separately, like have an LFO
modulating the HP but an envelope modulating the LP.

Plus, if you hook the 2 filters in parallel, then you can get 12 db/oct
notch filtering, doubly resonant peaks if both are set to NF, etc. Just a
lot more flexible.

Dave
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:35 PM
> To: 'motm@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
>
>
> I'm not quite clear... how is this different from a band-pass filter with
> modulated Q / width and frequency?  Not that it wouldn't be
> really cool, I'm
> just wondering if I'm missing a nuance?
>
> --PBr

RE: [motm] HP and LP vs single bandpass

2000-04-05 by Dave Bradley

Old programming trick:

Beef up a patch with wimpy sounding bass by running through an additional
highpass filter, with no modulation and a low cutoff frequency around 50 to
100 Hz. Turn up the resonance to add a bass boost to fatten up your patch.

Dave
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>
> True. I hadn't thought of the extra resonance peak. But you could
> replicate
> the separate cutoff frequencies, couldn't you? There is a
> specific interval
> between cutoff frequencies at any given point in time (width) and by
> carefully choosing the center point (i.e. bandpass frequency) you could
> probably come close; but given what Dave pointed out, it really wouldn't
> sound the same at all unless you kept the filters wide open in all cases.
>
> Interesting. This is the kind of stuff I love to think about but shouldn't
> be thinking about while at work! :)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Bradley [mailto:daveb@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:48 AM
> > To: motm@egroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
> >
> >
> > With a resonant highpass and resonant lowpass hooked in series,
> you get 2
> > resonant peaks at the corners, instead of 1 in the center for a single
> > bandpass. Also, you can control the cutoffs separately, like have an LFO
> > modulating the HP but an envelope modulating the LP.
> >
> > Plus, if you hook the 2 filters in parallel, then you can get 12 db/oct
> > notch filtering, doubly resonant peaks if both are set to NF,
> etc. Just a
> > lot more flexible.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:35 PM
> > > To: 'motm@egroups.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not quite clear... how is this different from a band-pass
> > filter with
> > > modulated Q / width and frequency?  Not that it wouldn't be
> > > really cool, I'm
> > > just wondering if I'm missing a nuance?
> > >
> > > --PBr
> >
> >
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RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions

2000-04-05 by David Bivins

No, I think you have it. That's pretty much what I'm describing I guess. Of
course, we don't have a MOTM band-pass filter with modulatable width, so...

But that's a very good point.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:35 AM
> To: 'motm@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
>
>
> I'm not quite clear... how is this different from a band-pass filter with
> modulated Q / width and frequency?  Not that it wouldn't be
> really cool, I'm
> just wondering if I'm missing a nuance?
>
> --PBr
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	David Bivins [SMTP:dbivins@...]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:10 AM
> > To:	motm@egroups.com
> > Subject:	RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
> >
> > Just think of how much fun (and how
> > useful) it would be to control both of those expressive
> elements at once!
> > Consider multiplying a keyboard tracking CV and inputting it into FM1 of
> > each filter, with a slightly different offset on each; how
> about the same
> > patch but with a lag processor between one of the CVs and one of the FM
> > inputs! I'm salivating.
> >
>
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RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions

2000-04-05 by David Bivins

True. I hadn't thought of the extra resonance peak. But you could replicate
the separate cutoff frequencies, couldn't you? There is a specific interval
between cutoff frequencies at any given point in time (width) and by
carefully choosing the center point (i.e. bandpass frequency) you could
probably come close; but given what Dave pointed out, it really wouldn't
sound the same at all unless you kept the filters wide open in all cases.

Interesting. This is the kind of stuff I love to think about but shouldn't
be thinking about while at work! :)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Bradley [mailto:daveb@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:48 AM
> To: motm@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
>
>
> With a resonant highpass and resonant lowpass hooked in series, you get 2
> resonant peaks at the corners, instead of 1 in the center for a single
> bandpass. Also, you can control the cutoffs separately, like have an LFO
> modulating the HP but an envelope modulating the LP.
>
> Plus, if you hook the 2 filters in parallel, then you can get 12 db/oct
> notch filtering, doubly resonant peaks if both are set to NF, etc. Just a
> lot more flexible.
>
> Dave
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:35 PM
> > To: 'motm@egroups.com'
> > Subject: RE: [motm] Purchasing decisions
> >
> >
> > I'm not quite clear... how is this different from a band-pass
> filter with
> > modulated Q / width and frequency?  Not that it wouldn't be
> > really cool, I'm
> > just wondering if I'm missing a nuance?
> >
> > --PBr
>
>
>
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