MOTM

I've been searching the web for ideas regarding joystick CV controllers, and 
have come up with the following.  I will probably do something along the 
lines of the Wiard controller:

http://www.wiard.com

http://www.mcs.net/~maf/meme/nwiard1.jpg

http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs220.htm

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/joypb1.htm

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/jasonjoy.htm

Info on the old Octave CatStick controller.... some interesting ideas:

http://www.midiwall.com/synths/catstick.html

This is an interesting source of very high-end inductive joysticks... I'm 
contemplating this one:

http://www.ctielectronics.com/joystick.html

I'm still working on sources for analog joysticks; have ordered some and will 
be evaluating them.  Hope this info helps!

Ivan

Thanks for the informational links.  It was interesting to see what others
are doing.  Mine will be similar to the AS model rs220.  Only I will have 4
adjustments: the gain (for X and Y) as they have and an offset control to
set the initial voltage (for X and Y).  I will put my adjustment pots above
the joystick.  Instead of only two outs, I will have four.  I say one guy
used a switch to select polarity.  I thought about that and then decided
that both positive and negative outputs at the same time would be much
better.

The CAT controller is really cool.  However, I don't need anything that
elaborate.  And, I can do most of that stuff anyhow with my Kenton and Korg
T2 that I use as a master controller.  The Korg lets you separately assign
the joystick 4 directions to 4 independent MIDI controllers.  The Kenton
can turn those into 4 separate control voltage outputs.  So, my project
will be simple and fun.

Later,
Larry


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> From: IvanCU@...
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: [motm] Joystick Ponderings
> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:54 AM
> 
> From: IvanCU@...
> 
> I've been searching the web for ideas regarding joystick CV controllers,
and 
> have come up with the following.  I will probably do something along the 
> lines of the Wiard controller:
> 
> http://www.wiard.com
> 
> http://www.mcs.net/~maf/meme/nwiard1.jpg
> 
> http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs220.htm
> 
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/joypb1.htm
> 
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/jasonjoy.htm
> 
> Info on the old Octave CatStick controller.... some interesting ideas:
> 
> http://www.midiwall.com/synths/catstick.html
> 
> This is an interesting source of very high-end inductive joysticks... I'm

> contemplating this one:
> 
> http://www.ctielectronics.com/joystick.html
> 
> I'm still working on sources for analog joysticks; have ordered some and
will 
> be evaluating them.  Hope this info helps!
> 
> Ivan
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Thanks Ivan! Nice to have a look at what all these different controllers do. 
I too like the look of the Wiard. I found joysticks at Alltronics (maybe All 
Electronics -- I always get them confused since they both sell surplus): one 
kind was an old PC joystick, the other looks to be for adjusting power seats 
(or mirrors) in a car -- it's very small. I think both were 150K, and each 
could have different uses in a modular. I have to find some jacks for the PC 
ones I have, and trace the pins. I was thinking of putting a jack on a 1U or 
2U MOTM panel with several pots and jacks, but leaving the joystick remote, 
to be set off to the side of various controllers.

Thanks again!
JB

In a message dated 2/13/2000 9:02:28 AM, IvanCU@... writes:

>http://www.wiard.com
>
>http://www.mcs.net/~maf/meme/nwiard1.jpg
>
>http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs220.htm
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/joypb1.htm
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/jasonjoy.htm
>
>Info on the old Octave CatStick controller.... some interesting ideas:
>
>http://www.midiwall.com/synths/catstick.html
>
>This is an interesting source of very high-end inductive joysticks... I'm
>
>contemplating this one:
>
>http://www.ctielectronics.com/joystick.html
>
>I'm still working on sources for analog joysticks; have ordered some and
>will 
>be evaluating them.  Hope this info helps!
>

check out :

http://www.chproducts.com/oem/index.html

for all sorts of joysticks and whatnot....

...jp
_______________________________________________________________________________

>From: motm@onelist.com on Sun, Feb 13, 2000 10:56 AM
>Subject: [motm] Joystick Ponderings
>To: motm@onelist.com
>
>From: IvanCU@...
>
>I've been searching the web for ideas regarding joystick CV controllers, and 
>have come up with the following.  I will probably do something along the 
>lines of the Wiard controller:
>
>http://www.wiard.com
>
>http://www.mcs.net/~maf/meme/nwiard1.jpg
>
>http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs220.htm
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/joypb1.htm
>
>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/The_Analog_Cottage/jasonjoy.htm
>
>Info on the old Octave CatStick controller.... some interesting ideas:
>
>http://www.midiwall.com/synths/catstick.html
>
>This is an interesting source of very high-end inductive joysticks... I'm 
>contemplating this one:
>
>http://www.ctielectronics.com/joystick.html
>
>I'm still working on sources for analog joysticks; have ordered some and will 
>be evaluating them.  Hope this info helps!
>
>Ivan

One other joystick decision you have to make:

Do you want one that is self centering, or not? I have one that stays where
you put it, which is very useful for lots of things like quad spatial
panning, etc. A spring loaded return to center type would be an annoyance in
this application.

Probably I'd want one of each type. The good thing about the non-centering
type is that you really don't need the 2 extra pots for offset, since you
don't care about return to center.

Moe

>
> From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
> Thanks for the informational links.  It was interesting to see what others
> are doing.  Mine will be similar to the AS model rs220.  Only I
> will have 4
> adjustments: the gain (for X and Y) as they have and an offset control to
> set the initial voltage (for X and Y).  I will put my adjustment
> pots above
> the joystick.  Instead of only two outs, I will have four.  I say one guy
> used a switch to select polarity.  I thought about that and then decided
> that both positive and negative outputs at the same time would be much
> better.
>
>

On my old 8086, I had a joystick which had toggles on the bottom that
mechanically disabled the return-to-center stuff.  Unfortunately, I don't
remember the manufacturer.  I do remember the joystick was basically a
little rod sticking out of a large plastic box, with two
less-than-comfortably placed square buttons, one on top, one in front.  Are
those really had to find?  I wouldn't really want to make one of my own...

--PBr

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dave Bradley [SMTP:daveb@...]
> Sent:	Monday, February 14, 2000 11:36 AM
> To:	motm@onelist.com
> Subject:	RE: [motm] Joystick Ponderings
> 
> One other joystick decision you have to make:
> 
> Do you want one that is self centering, or not? I have one that stays
> where
> you put it, which is very useful for lots of things like quad spatial
> panning, etc. A spring loaded return to center type would be an annoyance
> in
> this application.
> 
> Probably I'd want one of each type. The good thing about the non-centering
> type is that you really don't need the 2 extra pots for offset, since you
> don't care about return to center.
>

Good points Dave.  Mine is the return to center type as you have noticed. 
I am kind of thinking the non-centering type might not work so hot on a
horizontal panel.  I guess it would if the tension was adjusted right.  I'm
not sure how useful mine will be.  However, I have the parts and the desire
to learn, so I guess I will build it and then see if:

1 - I can make it work
2 - If I will ever actually use it.

I have several ideas for # 2.

LH

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From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>

One other joystick decision you have to make:

Do you want one that is self centering, or not? I have one
that stays where you put it, which is very useful for lots
of things like quad spatial panning, etc. A spring loaded
return to center type would be an annoyance in
this application.

Probably I'd want one of each type. The good thing about
the non-centering type is that you really don't need the 2
extra pots for offset, since you don't care about return to center.

Moe

The venerable EMS VCS3 has a horizontally mounted, non-centered joystick.  I
think that horizontally mounted non-centered joysticks are just as, if not
more useful, than centered joysticks.  Centered joysticks are good for
performance controls where you want to influence the sound quickly and
return while the non-centered joysticks are great for tweaking multiple
parameters together and leaving them.  For a simple example, I'd love to put
the cutoff and resonance of the upcoming MOTM-440 VCF on two separate axes
of a non-centered joystick; sweep and growl city!

I will confess that I'm not much of a DIY guy.  Yes, that means I buy all my
MOTM modules assembled.  [...insert view of a MOTM anonymous meeting where
Eric stands up and says "My name is Eric and I don't build my own modules."
and the group replies "Hi Eric"....]  I would really like to find an
assembled set of 2-4 joysticks to add to my system (centered and
non-centered would be great but I'd settle for just non-centered).  Wiard
won't sell his controllers outside of a full system.  Assembling a bunch of
CatSticks together is a bit out of the question.  I guess I could get some
of the Analogue Solutions modules but they seem a bit flimsy for something
that is going to take more physical abuse as a controller.  Sigh, what's a
joystick junkie to do?

	Eric

> I am kind of thinking the non-centering type might not work 
> so hot on a
> horizontal panel.  I guess it would if the tension was 
> adjusted right.  I'm
> not sure how useful mine will be.  However, I have the parts 
> and the desire
> to learn, so I guess I will build it and then see if: