MOTM

OK, Guys - while I've got your ear(s), help me out here - Will and I are
necessarily MOTM-grid guys. Namely, 5U high by widths in increments of
"Units" (equals 1-3/4 in). The Moog grid is, of course, 5U high, but by
widths of 2-1/8 in. The history of these standards is interesting and
is part of the legacy of the Bell Telephone System. But, however
interesting, that is irrelevant here. My question is - in your
experience, what is the relative popularity of these standards - the
MOTM-grid vs the Moog-grid? thankyouverymuch Bill and WIll

Well, I think 'grid' is misused here. You are talking panel widths.

'Grid' refers to all the MOTM pots and jacks aligning on BOTH horizontal and vertical 'lines'.

Back to the OP

Without Roger's sales figures, it's hard to say which is more 'popular', as this has 2 contexts: historically or *right this very minute*.

It would not surprise me if .com/MU overtook MOTM as 'popular' by say 2012. There are somewhere around 10,500 MOTM modules + MOTM *format* modules in the wild.

Who knows what .com/MU is, with now Moon and COTK adding in, maybe 30,000?

Paul S.


OK, Guys - while I've got your ear(s), help me out here - Will and I are necessarily MOTM-grid guys. Namely, 5U high by widths in increments of "Units" (equals 1-3/4 in). The Moog grid is, of course, 5U high, but by widths of 2-1/8 in. The history of these standards is interesting and is part of the legacy of the Bell Telephone System. But, however interesting, that is irrelevant here. My question is - in your experience, what is the relative popularity of these standards - the MOTM-grid vs the Moog-grid? thankyouverymuch Bill and WIll

I know it isn't the most accurate source and not very complete but FWIW looking at the Modular Grid site MU 'appears' to be about twice as popular as MOTM?

MOTM
325 modules from 20 manufacturers

MU
625 modules from 40 manufacturers


The module counts are probably significantly less since there are lots of dupes, one-offs and prototypes listed and the number of manufacturers is . . . well, there are some that aren't listed that exist and some that are listed that don't exist anymore?

John L Rice


-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Paul Schreiber' synth1@... [motm]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:54 AM
To: 'William Hall'; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM vs Moog panel grid

Well, I think 'grid' is misused here. You are talking panel widths.

'Grid' refers to all the MOTM pots and jacks aligning on BOTH horizontal and vertical 'lines'.

Back to the OP

Without Roger's sales figures, it's hard to say which is more 'popular', as this has 2 contexts: historically or *right this very minute*.

It would not surprise me if .com/MU overtook MOTM as 'popular' by say 2012. There are somewhere around 10,500 MOTM modules + MOTM *format* modules in the wild.

Who knows what .com/MU is, with now Moon and COTK adding in, maybe 30,000?

Paul S.


OK, Guys - while I've got your ear(s), help me out here - Will and I are necessarily MOTM-grid guys. Namely, 5U high by widths in increments of "Units" (equals 1-3/4 in). The Moog grid is, of course, 5U high, but by widths of 2-1/8 in. The history of these standards is interesting and is part of the legacy of the Bell Telephone System. But, however interesting, that is irrelevant here. My question is - in your experience, what is the relative popularity of these standards - the MOTM-grid vs the Moog-grid? thankyouverymuch Bill and WIll

It's probably been mentioned before since it's old and discontinued but I stumbled on this handy device:
https://www.amazon.com/MOTM-Universal-Wrist-Mount-Kit/dp/B00M6EY6LM

John L Rice

Paul - All -

Yup - point taken.  Grid is not the term... you're absolutely correct... we mean panel width.

Bill and Will

 

Well, I think 'grid' is misused here. You are talking panel widths.

'Grid' refers to all the MOTM pots and jacks aligning on BOTH horizontal and vertical 'lines'.

Back to the OP

Without Roger's sales figures, it's hard to say which is more 'popular', as this has 2 contexts: historically or *right this very minute*.

It would not surprise me if .com/MU overtook MOTM as 'popular' by say 2012. There are somewhere around 10,500 MOTM modules + MOTM *format* modules in the wild.

Who knows what .com/MU is, with now Moon and COTK adding in, maybe 30,000?

Paul S.

OK, Guys - while I've got your ear(s), help me out here - Will and I are necessarily MOTM-grid guys. Namely, 5U high by widths in increments of "Units" (equals 1-3/4 in). The Moog grid is, of course, 5U high, but by widths of 2-1/8 in. The history of these standards is interesting and is part of the legacy of the Bell Telephone System. But, however interesting, that is irrelevant here. My question is - in your experience, what is the relative popularity of these standards - the MOTM-grid vs the Moog-grid? thankyouverymuch Bill and WIll

It has probably changed over the years. MOTM format used to be pretty popular, but somehow MU has regained a lot of popularity, at least now that synthesizers.com. Moon Modular and COTK and others are in the field (as Paul Schreiber correctly mentioned). 

OK - thanks so much, guys - so - how do you physically reconcile having both formats in the same case?  Or do you have separate cases - one for each format?  Bill and Will

 

It has probably changed over the years. MOTM format used to be pretty popular, but somehow MU has regained a lot of popularity, at least now that synthesizers.com. Moon Modular and COTK and others are in the field (as Paul Schreiber correctly mentioned). 

I have about 50/50 of both formats. I have never decided for myself which one I like the best.

My question is - in your
experience, what is the relative popularity of these standards - the
MOTM-grid vs the Moog-grid? thankyouverymuch Bill and WIll

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Terje Winther

terje.winther@...

http://wintherstormer.no/

A nice thing about the MOTM format is that I could use inexpensive Middle Atlantic standard 17.5" long rails mounted horizontally to hold the modules in a wooden frame with a 5U height. The mounting hole spacing is the same. I made my own homemade case this way by screwing the wooden frames into a larger wooden case at angles of choice. I have some .com and needed a 19" wide rack frame with the proper panel hole spacing for those. I also have a lot of Frac-rak modules that mount in dedicated Frac box frames mounted into 19" racks. For me, the 19" rack width is the common factor.

OK - thanks so much, guys - so - how do you physically reconcile having both formats in the same case?  Or do you have separate cases - one for each format?  Bill and Will