MOTM

Is it?

On January 6, 2017 5:21:48 PM PST, "randallx2001@... [motm]" <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>Is it?

Or to paraphrase Frank Zappa: "...does it just smell funny?".

-Dave

-Dave

Nope, it’s just been taking a lot of long naps lately! ;-)

 

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of randallx2001@... [motm]
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 5:22 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead???

 






Is it?

I sold some of the MOTM line to BrideChamber in 2008, and the rest to SynthCube in 2009.

 

In 2014, BrideChamber sold his portion to SynthCube.

 

www.synthcube.com

 

Paul S.

 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:22 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead???

 






Is it?

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, randallx2001@... [motm] wrote:

> Is it?

I feeeeel haaaaappppy!   I feeeel haaaaappppy!

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Monty Brandenberg, Software Engineer                               MCB, Inc.
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hehe

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On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, randallx2001@... [motm] wrote:

> Is it?

I feeeeel haaaaappppy!   I feeeel haaaaappppy!

--
Monty Brandenberg, Software Engineer                               MCB, Inc.
mcbinc@...                                             P.O. Box 425292
mcbinc@...                                   Cambridge, MA  02142-0006
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Will and I are still here.\ufffd I was dead... briefly... a few years ago.\ufffd But my ticker started back up and viola!\ufffd Yup - we're still here.\ufffd And we've been cooking up mischief hanging out with Gino Wong.\ufffd 5U dead?\ufffd God - I sure hope not.\ufffd May be expensive, but from a ergonomic point of view, it's a superior User Interface scale compared to smaller ones, at least in my opinion.\ufffd I mean - hey - there's a reason the old Bell Telephone chord-boards were this size.\ufffd Still here.

Ahh!!! Good to know,! Well, not about the heart problem but I'm very glad
you pulled through! J I've often wonder what happened to you nice and very
constructive/helpful folks! I assumed it might have been the usual life
stuff, like a change of interests, family dynamic changes, etc. 

From: William Hall [mailto:wjhall@...] 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:18 PM
To: John L Rice; 'Monty Brandenberg'; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead???

 

Will and I are still here.  I was dead... briefly... a few years ago.  But
my ticker started back up and viola!  Yup - we're still here.  And we've
been cooking up mischief hanging out with Gino Wong.  5U dead?  God - I sure
hope not.  May be expensive, but from a ergonomic point of view, it's a
superior User Interface scale compared to smaller ones, at least in my
opinion.  I mean - hey - there's a reason the old Bell Telephone
chord-boards were this size.  Still here.

 

 

On 1/6/2017 21:45, 'John L Rice' Drummer@... [motm] wrote:

  

hehe

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Subject: Re: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead???

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017, randallx2001@... [motm] wrote:

> Is it?

I feeeeel haaaaappppy! I feeeel haaaaappppy!

--
Monty Brandenberg, Software Engineer MCB, Inc.
mcbinc@... P.O. Box 425292
mcbinc@... Cambridge, MA 02142-0006
617.864.6907

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Dead? But I haven’t finished mine yet!

Ben

> On 7 Jan 2017, at 02:21, randallx2001@... [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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First of all, hi Aaron!  Long time...


Secondly, I think a lot of the MOTM discussion has gone to Facebook as well as Muffwiggler.


Thirdly, MOTM is surviving.  I sold my original system, bought Euro, bought used MOTM, am selling Euro, and keeping Frac and MOTM.


Fourth; does anyone have an MOTM-190 they'd like to sell?


Ivan

I’m still here! I’m still here!

Just finished constructing (and am now troubleshooting) the JH Living VCO’s (the RandomSource version). Need to design an MOTM front panel that includes all the RandomSource addons. Is there a MOTM grid/template for Front Panel Express floating around somewhere?

Meanwhile, did anyone ever make a Moog-style sequencer for MOTM format? I mean, there’s the Klee, but I want a boring ol’ Moog style one without having to modify a MU-format one…

e

I’m still on this list also. I still have my MOTM system and prefer it in most (but not all) ways to Eurorack.

 

As some of you know, my company started making and selling Eurorack modules a couple of years ago. (I’ve had the pleasure of meeting a couple of people from this list in person at NAMM as a result.) I’ve always hoped that we would be able to offer large-format versions of our products once the hardware side of the business matured. Unfortunately there just doesn’t seem to be enough market demand to make it a sensible business decision. 

 

--Adam

I'm still here too guys. Have a tall server rack full of MOTM and diy 5U as still love it. Never could get into the Euro thing. Both a black hole for $$$ and tinier of than I'd like (cramped when patched). 

Thomas White

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> On Jan 7, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Aaron Day day.aaron@gmail.com [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> On 07 Jan 2017, at 17:58, ivancu@... [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Secondly, I think a lot of the MOTM discussion has gone to Facebook as well as Muffwiggler.
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> How has this worked out for everyone?
> 
> In its prime this list had perhaps 100 active members (I may be wrong but that is what it felt like). There was a *very* high s/n ratio in the communication. Folks like J. Larry Hendry and Scott Juskew (and JH and JLR etc.) all kicked some serious butt with their contributions. It felt cozy.
> 
> I have a FB account I’ve used to sell gear with and I use to talk to Kent Spong and Larry Church. Besides that, its been left fallow. I just don’t have the discipline to not look (to see what new PCB etc./thing I could buy) so, I don’t use it. I guess I am missing out. Then again, the overconnection that the FB walled-garden promotes feels like death by a million mouse-clicks.
> 
> My question to the group:
> 
> Has the trade off of a bigger market for buy and sell along with group-buys etc. on MW been an improvement on the smaller group? A(n) d/evolution? 
> 
> Greetings from snowy Berlin,
> 
> Aaron
> 
>

I don’t go near Facebook (long story), but I probably spend too much time at Muff’s (mainly the 5U forum)

As an add on to Adam’s comment, I talked to the guys at Thonk last year about supplying PCB only options for some of their DIY offerings (it seems silly to me to buy a kit or panel kit and throw half of it in the bin) - they said it wasn’t worth it, because 5U for them is around 1% of their market

There is however a lot of stuff out there that’s 5U compatible so long as panels aren’t an issue
I feel a list coming on, as I’ve put a lot of DIY modules together in the last 18 months

Cheers
Paul

(Sunny Sheffield)


> On 7 Jan 2017, at 20:18, Aaron Day day.aaron@... [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>> On 07 Jan 2017, at 17:58, ivancu@... <mailto:ivancu@...> [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com <mailto:motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Secondly, I think a lot of the MOTM discussion has gone to Facebook as well as Muffwiggler.
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> 
> How has this worked out for everyone?
> 
> In its prime this list had perhaps 100 active members (I may be wrong but that is what it felt like). There was a *very* high s/n ratio in the communication. Folks like J. Larry Hendry and Scott Juskew (and JH and JLR etc.) all kicked some serious butt with their contributions. It felt cozy.
> 
> I have a FB account I’ve used to sell gear with and I use to talk to Kent Spong and Larry Church. Besides that, its been left fallow. I just don’t have the discipline to not look (to see what new PCB etc./thing I could buy) so, I don’t use it. I guess I am missing out. Then again, the overconnection that the FB walled-garden promotes feels like death by a million mouse-clicks.
> 
> My question to the group:
> 
> Has the trade off of a bigger market for buy and sell along with group-buys etc. on MW been an improvement on the smaller group? A(n) d/evolution? 
> 
> Greetings from snowy Berlin,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
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> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence
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Paul Bower
Un! Recordings Limited
Company Reg. 06870185

http://unrecordings.blogspot.co.uk <http://unrecordings.blogspot.co.uk/>

Not dead, just sleepy.  I still have most of my MOTM format modules, in 
dot com cases with rails from Larry Hendry.  I've sold a few, but the 
market has really fallen off.

I'm currently selling two DIY MOTM format modules (not Synthesis 
Technology), which are posted FS on Muff Wiggler.

Converted Mattson 4 channel gate delay.  $129 + $10 Shipping to U.S. 
address.

<http://pugix.com/synth/mattson-4-channel-gate-delay/>

Dual CGS Burst Generator $169 + $10 Shipping to U.S. address.

<http://pugix.com/synth/catgirl-synth-burst-generator/>

I got distracted by Eurorack over the past couple of years.  So many 
interesting modules available.  I did build a second MOTM conversion of 
George Mattson's 4-channel VC mixer last year.  I cross patch between 
MOTM, Euro, BugBrand, and Ciat-Lonbarde gear. I have every conceivable 
adapter patch cord!

My Euro enthusiasm is slowing, partly due to funds, and partly to 
space.  I don't anticipate growing my MOTM system, but I do plan on 
still using it quite a bit going forward.

-Richard Brewster
http://pugix.com

On 1/6/17 8:21 PM, randallx2001@... [motm] wrote:
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> Is it?
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I’m not sure if you folks are asking about MU panels for DIY but if so, the options I know about:

 

Re:Synthesis in the UK are probably the number one source but they are swamped because pretty much everyone seems to be using them! They do panels in the same way as the original Moog panels.

http://www.bigbluewave.co.uk/resynthesis/resynthesis_home.htm

 

Free State FX in the USA does custom MU panels. They do them with powder coat and silk screen, like the Synthesizers.com panels. 

https://freestatefx.com/pages/custom-panels

They also have been very active lately making MU version of tasty eurorack modules:

https://freestatefx.com/collections/free-state-fx-modules

 

Analog Craftsman in the USA does custom builds and would probably do just panels?:

http://analogcraftsman.com/?page_id=351

 

Of course you can get MU blanks from Synthesizers.com etc and have them milled and engraved by Front Panel Express / Schaeffer. I’ve heard/seen reports from those that have done this and the results seems to be marginal to OK, but not fantastic? AND, there is no reason someone couldn’t do MU panels MOTM style from FPE? Just a thick black engraved plate but in MU widths and MU mounting holes! 

https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/

 

Front Panel Express is also offering Digital Printing now so, that might be a way to go for some very fancy looking panels?! 

https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/graphics/digital_printing/

Possibly do the digital printing on plain flat panels? Pretty decent images of most MU modules can often be found (try https://www.modulargrid.net/d/modules/browser for starters) and possibly cleaned up in Photoshop and then digitally printed to plain aluminum?

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Dr. William J. Hall' wjhall@... [motm]
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Abraham; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead???

 






When you find that panel source, please do let Will and I know. In fact, everybody - can you help with this? Sourcing the panels is the big problem - I wonder who Scott Deyo used.

 

 

Sent from my smartish phone gadget

 

William J Hall

 

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From: "Abraham abelovesfun@... [motm]" 

Date:01/08/2017 15:54 (GMT-05:00) 

To: motm@yahoogroups.com 

Subject: Re: [motm] Is MOTM/5U dead??? 

 

  

My main system is still 5U - mostly MOTM, with some MU.

Last year I made small company based on teaching DIY (aisynthesis) and those modules are all euro at the moment, but I do long to offer 5U and hope that 2017 is the year for it. I just need to find a good source for making the panels. 

MU seems to have a larger market than MOTM at the moment, but it's much harder to make the panels.

Eric - All -

We took a look at the Randomsource Living VCO PCB - it has some clever 
features that our panel doesn't reflect (having only glanced at 
Randomsource at first, we didn't see the VCA/distortion/overdrive 
feature).  Let us review it and see - I think a modest modification to 
our design will easily accommodate the full feature-set.  Gotta say - 
Randomsource sure has done a nice job.  The Eurorack add-on is a clever 
addition, but, of course, it does we 5U-ers no good.  How was the 
build?  Easy enough?

Bill and Will

On 1/8/2017 03:44, Dr. William J. Hall wrote:
> Eric -
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> Will and I designed just such a panel back in 2010 or therabouts. As 
> soon as Jurgen emailed us about the VCO (in the way-back time) Will 
> asked him what would be involved with adding waveshapers in the form 
> of a daughterboard. He had some correspondence with MFOS about the 
> idea of using the VCO module for its waveshapers. Here is that old 
> page for reference:
>
> http://www.dragonflyalley.com/synth/constructionJHLivingVCO.htm
>
> We were, of course, very sad when JH left us all. My subsequent 
> illness (a blood staff infection that nearly proved fatal) postponed 
> our further exploration of and implementation of the module.
>
> But then, as I was still recovering, a couple years ago, at Gino 
> Wong's request, we did a review and even more careful analysis of 
> Jurgen's Living VCO circuitry design including the modifications and 
> improvements by the community at large. And we ended up helping with 
> his issue of a modified version of Jurgen's PCB. The results of that 
> process is documented here:
>
> http://reredredsynth.com/ladbrokeGroveVCOarray-intro.htm
>
> You can see as part of that effort, we outline the additional features 
> to be provided in the daughterboard  envisioned by Will back in 2010. 
> These are the features which later, subsequently appeared as part of 
> the Randomsource PCB.
>
> So - there is a fpd file on this page here:
> http://reredredsynth.com/ladbrokeGroveVCOarray-implmt.htm
>
> We have not ordered the panel so we can't vouch for its perfection. If 
> you'd like to use the panel for the Randomsource version of the 
> module, we (or you) can easily modify the name of the module at the 
> bottom, of course. But if you wouldn't mind, Will and I would rather 
> appriciate it if you leave the little dragonfly moniker intact.
> If you want us to modify the fpd design for you, we'll do it happily.
>
> It's so cool to have people posting stuff here. I've missed it.
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartish phone gadget
>
> William J Hall
>
> Rock Star
> Artist
> Poet
> Architect
> Microsurgeon
> Author
> Hum-dinger folk-singer
> Doctor of Love
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Eric Frampton eric@... [motm]"
> Date:01/07/2017 16:07 (GMT-05:00)
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: Is MOTM/5U dead???
>
> I\u2019m still here! I\u2019m still here!
>
> Just finished constructing (and am now troubleshooting) the JH Living 
> VCO\u2019s (the RandomSource version). Need to design an MOTM front panel 
> that includes all the RandomSource addons. Is there a MOTM 
> grid/template for Front Panel Express floating around somewhere?
>
> Meanwhile, did anyone ever make a Moog-style sequencer for MOTM 
> format? I mean, there\u2019s the Klee, but I want a boring ol\u2019 Moog style 
> one without having to modify a MU-format one\u2026
>
> e
>
>

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 6:18 PM, William Hall wjhall@... [motm] <motm-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> Eric - All -
> 
> We took a look at the Randomsource Living VCO PCB - it has some clever features that our panel doesn't reflect (having only glanced at Randomsource at first, we didn't see the VCA/distortion/overdrive feature).  Let us review it and see - I think a modest modification to our design will easily accommodate the full feature-set.  Gotta say - Randomsource sure has done a nice job.  The Eurorack add-on is a clever addition, but, of course, it does we 5U-ers no good.  How was the build?  Easy enough?
> 
> Bill and Will
> 
> 
> 

I did a version of the rs Living VCO’s for MOTM - pretty much the full feature set of the new panel, including one of the various ways you could use the onboard mixer. I didn’t stick to the grid - I gave up on getting adequate amounts of knobs in a finite amount of space long ago. I just don’t have room for the grid! You can see it here - https://flic.kr/p/Enz4ci
-Steve

The build probably would’ve been easier if I’d done it on my workbench at home. As it was I worked on this backstage, in the dark, with one flight case as a workbench and another as my chair, on my days off in Las Vegas while Lionel had a residency there over September/October.

It’s certainly the most difficult build I’ve ever attempted. The component density is pretty high compared to what I’m used to, and I guess I’m out of practice for using organic flux solder, but the solder didn’t seem to flow very well across the board or through the holes.

That said, when I got home and fired it up, 2 of the 3 oscillators came up pretty much correctly, as did the driver section. The non-working oscillator was due to multiple cold solder joints.

The layers of documentation - JH’s original drawings and notes, added to by the additional schematics and parts list by RS, which have different component designators than JH’s original docs - made it particularly confusing when putting together the parts order, and infuriatingly difficult to troubleshoot.

In fact, I’ve still got a retrace problem that I’ve yet to be able to suss out: the waveforms all draw correctly, but have strange ringing or notches at the tops and bottoms of the waveforms that change with the position of the Pulse Width pots. It’s the same symptom on all three oscillators. Ideas?

e

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:18 PM, William Hall <wjhall@...> wrote:
> 
> Eric - All -
> 
> We took a look at the Randomsource Living VCO PCB - it has some clever features that our panel doesn't reflect (having only glanced at Randomsource at first, we didn't see the VCA/distortion/overdrive feature).  Let us review it and see - I think a modest modification to our design will easily accommodate the full feature-set.  Gotta say - Randomsource sure has done a nice job.  The Eurorack add-on is a clever addition, but, of course, it does we 5U-ers no good.  How was the build?  Easy enough?
> 
> Bill and Will
>