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Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-01 by J.D. McEachin

At 07:50 PM 10/2/2011, Paul Schreiber wrote:

>Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to
>understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):
>
>a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa
>mod for the Jupiter 4:
>
><http://www.synthcom.com/Europa/europaFaq.html>http://www.synthcom.com/Europa/europaFaq.html
>
>and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the
>'650, it's a distinct menu item

I've got a good chunk of a manual written, but it's based on the
slightly different menus in V1.4. Which, if I can ever acquire
another 650, I should be able to send out a V1.4 beta within a week
or so. Does anyone have a 650 they want to sell? I've been trying
to buy one as they trickle into the SynthTech store, but they're
always sold out by the time I get there. :(

Jeffrey

MOTM-650 info

2011-10-03 by Paul Schreiber

Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):
 
a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:
 
 
and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item
 
b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)
 
1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.
 
2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)
 
3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.
 
Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.
 
The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)
 
The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).
 
I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(
 
Paul S.
 

RE: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-03 by John L Rice

Folks waiting for their 650’s to arrive should review Paul’s video explanation, presented below in 4 parts:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6C5TTPbAbI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt3VMUon9lk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubq4Em21cfw

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlgJty6zf2Q

 

 

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:51 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] MOTM-650 info

 




Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):

 

a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:

 

 

and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item

 

b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)

 

1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.

 

2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)

 

3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.

 

Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.

 

The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)

 

The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).

 

I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(

 

Paul S.

 




FS: New, Unopened MOTM-650

2011-10-09 by Brian Whittington

Days before my new MOTM-650 arrived, I decided to buy a system lot that included a used one.  I am hoping to sell the new one, which is still unopened in its original shipping box.  I am asking $490 shipped in the US, which reflects my actual purchase price, plus PayPal and shipping costs.  International shipping would be extra.

The new cost is $499 + shipping, so you could save a few dollars and the long wait by buying this one.

Thanks,
Brian

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 9:50 PM
Subject: [motm] MOTM-650 info



Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):
 
a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:
 
http://www.synthcom.com/Europa/europaFaq.html
 
and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item
 
b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)
 
1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.
 
2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)
 
3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.
 
Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.
 
The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)
 
The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).
 
I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(
 
Paul S.
 




Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-10 by Paul Schreiber

Not to worry, Jeffrey will get a '650 on Tuesday.

The list of known V1.3 bugs is in a PDF file at www.synthtech.com/m650

Paul S.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg James" <gjames@...>
To: "'J.D. McEachin'" <jdm@...>; "'MOTM List'"
<motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM-650 info


> I'm just picking up on this...
>
> So am I to understand that there's a firmware upgrade for the '650 in the
> works? And all that stands in its way is for a '650 to make its way to
> Synthcom?
>
> I'd be happy to lend one of mine for a reasonable period to Jeff to make
> this happen.
>
> I'd also be interested to know what changes/fixes are going to be in v1.4.
>
> -Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J.D.
> McEachin
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:18 AM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info [1 Attachment]
>
> At 07:50 PM 10/2/2011, Paul Schreiber wrote:
>
>>Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to
>>understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):
>>
>>a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa
>>mod for the Jupiter 4:
>>
>><http://www.synthcom.com/Europa/europaFaq.html>http://www.synthcom.com/Euro
> pa/europaFaq.html
>>
>>and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the
>>'650, it's a distinct menu item
>
> I've got a good chunk of a manual written, but it's based on the
> slightly different menus in V1.4. Which, if I can ever acquire
> another 650, I should be able to send out a V1.4 beta within a week
> or so. Does anyone have a 650 they want to sell? I've been trying
> to buy one as they trickle into the SynthTech store, but they're
> always sold out by the time I get there. :(
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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MOTM-650 Mailing List

2011-10-11 by J.D. McEachin

If you'd like to beta test the new firmware version, or just follow
the testing progress, send a message with "SUBSCRIBE" in the message
body to motm650-request@....

Note that there is currently no OS-X version of the firmware
updater. I don't like it, but that's how it is for the foreseeable
future. :( There ARE alternatives. An OS 9 version is
available. Source code is available. Many Mac people run Windows
under Boot Camp, Parallels, or VMWare Fusion (even my decidedly
non-techy wife). Some run Windows apps using WineBottler (
http://winebottler.kronenberg.org/ ). It'd be great if someone would
try the SFUU program under WineBottler to see if that's a possible
free solution.

I'm hoping to have V1.4Beta1 out this week.

Jeffrey

RE: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-25 by Greg James

Paul,

 

Is there any chance the new ‘650 firmware will play nice with the MidiBoard? Or is this too small a nit to get my hopes up? I’m thinking that maybe along with everything else, we get lucky and this combo starts to work. I’d really like to pair up the MOTM with that board and see what I could do with poly after-touch.

 

-Greg

 

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:51 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] MOTM-650 info

 




Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):

 

a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:

 

 

and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item

 

b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)

 

1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.

 

2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)

 

3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.

 

Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.

 

The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)

 

The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).

 

I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(

 

Paul S.

 


Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-25 by Paul Schreiber

That will depend on Jeffrey. And chances are, you would have to ship the MIDIBoard to him in Oregon for a bit.
 
Paul S.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg James
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM-650 info

Paul,

 

Is there any chance the new ‘650 firmware will play nice with the MidiBoard? Or is this too small a nit to get my hopes up? I’m thinking that maybe along with everything else, we get lucky and this combo starts to work. I’d really like to pair up the MOTM with that board and see what I could do with poly after-touch.

 

-Greg

 

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:51 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] MOTM-650 info

 




Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):

 

a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:

 

 

and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item

 

b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)

 

1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.

 

2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)

 

3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.

 

Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.

 

The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)

 

The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).

 

I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(

 

Paul S.

 


Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-25 by Jeff Laity

Perhaps a MIDI file would be cheaper than shipping a MIDIboard!


Sent from Underwater iPhone 4


On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:46 PM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:

 

That will depend on Jeffrey. And chances are, you would have to ship the MIDIBoard to him in Oregon for a bit.
 
Paul S.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg James
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] MOTM-650 info

Paul,

 

Is there any chance the new ‘650 firmware will play nice with the MidiBoard? Or is this too small a nit to get my hopes up? I’m thinking that maybe along with everything else, we get lucky and this combo starts to work. I’d really like to pair up the MOTM with that board and see what I could do with poly after-touch.

 

-Greg

 

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:51 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] MOTM-650 info

 




Since I'm starting to ship out MOTM-650s, it's improtant to understand the issues with V1.3 FW and documentaion (or lack thereof):

 

a) I will send the info I have. There info is based on the Europa mod for the Jupiter 4:

 

 

and you will see references to "push this button...." but for the '650, it's a distinct menu item

 

b) there are 3 know "issues" with the firmware (and some minor ones)

 

1) you can't "flood" MIDI data to the '650, meaning blasting running status/16channels of 64 notes each/etc. Also, it *hates* the Kurzweil MidiBoard (why, I could never figure it out). Try to 'pre-filter' MIDI data if possible. It's not that difficult to do.

 

2) Even though there menu "says so", you *cannot* assign AUX outputs to CC messages unless they are the 'named' ones (like Breath Controller or Pitch Wheel). If you want to use the AUX outputs with your sequencing program, just pick a named CC and it will work fine. Just because it's NAMED Mod Wheel doesn't mean you have to use it as such. It's just a *name*, not a *function* to the '650. You control where the patch cord goes :)

 

3) trying to drive the arpeggiators with external clock can be erratic. Some people claim no problem, other say it locks up. MIDI clock and internal clock work great. The dual arpeggiators are VERY WELL DONE in the code as are the complicated poly voicing allocation algorithms.

 

Don't forget (and this is not mentioned in the docs) there are 15 tuning tables pre-loaded for micotuning fun, and you can dump tuning tables to it.

 

The SW is not perfect, but it's a poor 8051 8-bit controller with 768 bytes of RAM running at 1MHz rate. It's doing the best it can :)

 

The basic MIDI-CV functions work perfectly and this ***IS** the most accurate and stable MIDI-CV ever made (tru 16-bit accuracy, <5ppm drift).

 

I know someone had a really nice menu flowchart for the '650. If someone has that, please put it up and send me a copy. It was on my crashed HD :(

 

Paul S.

 


Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-10-31 by J.D. McEachin

At 07:12 PM 10/24/2011, Greg James wrote:

>Is there any chance the new '650 firmware will play nice with the
>MidiBoard? Or is this too small a nit to get my hopes up? I'm
>thinking that maybe along with everything else, we get lucky and
>this combo starts to work. I'd really like to pair up the MOTM with
>that board and see what I could do with poly after-touch.

My goal is to have the 650 respond correctly to all MIDI data.

And FWIW, I recently added poly aftertouch to my Rhodes Chroma, so
there's a chance I could add support for it to the 650. First things
first, though.


At 09:00 PM 10/24/2011, Jeff Laity wrote:

>Perhaps a MIDI file would be cheaper than shipping a MIDIboard!

Yes, send me a .MID file (SMF) with something that the 650 doesn't like.

Jeffrey

Re: [motm] MOTM-650 info

2011-11-01 by Ben Stuyts

Hi Jeffrey,

A while ago (2009?) I have sent Paul a log file of a midi stream that crashes my 650. Did that ever make it to you? It is from a Gem S2 connected to the 650. If not I can probably dig it up again.

By the way, poly-AT would be *awesome*. :-)

Kind regards,
Ben

On 31 okt. 2011, at 20:44, J.D. McEachin wrote:

> At 07:12 PM 10/24/2011, Greg James wrote:
>
>> Is there any chance the new '650 firmware will play nice with the
>> MidiBoard? Or is this too small a nit to get my hopes up? I'm
>> thinking that maybe along with everything else, we get lucky and
>> this combo starts to work. I'd really like to pair up the MOTM with
>> that board and see what I could do with poly after-touch.
>
> My goal is to have the 650 respond correctly to all MIDI data.
>
> And FWIW, I recently added poly aftertouch to my Rhodes Chroma, so
> there's a chance I could add support for it to the 650. First things
> first, though.
>
>
> At 09:00 PM 10/24/2011, Jeff Laity wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a MIDI file would be cheaper than shipping a MIDIboard!
>
> Yes, send me a .MID file (SMF) with something that the 650 doesn't like.
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
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