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>Can anyone give me some tips on patching to get that, and don't 
>flame me for this, *Robert Rich-ish* patch animation? I know from 
>talking with Robert at NAMM he uses a lot of self oscillating 440 
>VCFs and sample and holds but I can't seem to get it right in my 
>system. Then again, well... I am not Robert Rich. With that said, I 
>hope to learn more about this technique as his tones are fascinating 
>and so pleasing to the ears. Maybe Robert can chime in with a tip. I 
>don't want any secrets, just a starting block for patching. I guess 
>the more pertinent and less obtrusive question would be to ask for 
>some sample and hold techniques and leave Robert out of this 
>alltogether. Anyone?

The secret is in the modulation. I'm not talking about a single LFO 
feeding something. I'm talking about 3 or 4 voltage-controlled LFOs 
in a tangled mess of cables feeding back on each other. The outputs 
from this mess controls VCAs which controls cross modulation between 
VCOs. Also use this mess to generate random gates to EGs. Another key 
is to use sine waves for those organic sounds. With enough 
modulation, those boring sine waves really come to life.

I was inspired to do a little glurpin' and glorpin' this evening.
Results are here:

http://www.hotrodmotm.com/sounds/glorps.mp3

Moe
http://www.stoogeindustries.com

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:

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> >Can anyone give me some tips on patching to get that, and don't 
> >flame me for this, *Robert Rich-ish* patch animation? I know from 
> >talking with Robert at NAMM he uses a lot of self oscillating 440 
> >VCFs and sample and holds but I can't seem to get it right in my 
> >system. Then again, well... I am not Robert Rich. With that said, I 
> >hope to learn more about this technique as his tones are

Man, nothing like a little MOTM-list glorp listening to make me feel
like one hell of a mediocre amateur!  =]

Clearly I need more VCAs, and a 410...  erm, donations?  <grin>

mate_stubb wrote:

>I was inspired to do a little glurpin' and glorpin' this evening.
>Results are here:
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>http://www.hotrodmotm.com/sounds/glorps.mp3
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>Moe
>http://www.stoogeindustries.com
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>--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Scott Juskiw <scott@...> wrote:
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>>>Can anyone give me some tips on patching to get that, and don't
>>>flame me for this, *Robert Rich-ish* patch animation? I know from
>>>talking with Robert at NAMM he uses a lot of self oscillating 440
>>>VCFs and sample and holds but I can't seem to get it right in my
>>>system. Then again, well... I am not Robert Rich. With that said, I
>>>hope to learn more about this technique as his tones are
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That patch sounds pretty complex, doesn't it? Nothing could be further
from the truth. You are listening to only 3 modules - 2 MOTM-440s and
1 MOTM-480.

The 480 adds nothing more than a little swept color to the sound. All
the frying sounds, moans, thunder cracks, etc. are generated by the
two 440 filters oscillating, and feeding each other's FM1 input, which
is cranked all the way to -5.

Everything else is just tuning the frequencies until you get an
interesting interaction. Because you are using feedback, you can get
it to teeter in and out of an unstable situation. You can spend hours
conjuring up howls from hell out of this basic simple patch.

Try sticking 3 or more in a feedback loop, using oscillators as well
as filters too. When doing this kind of heavy FM, I like to use sine
waves as starters because if you use saws or something rich the
harmonics can overwhelm you.

Moe
http://www.stoogeindustries.com

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Geoff <overand@...> wrote:

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> Man, nothing like a little MOTM-list glorp listening to make me feel
> like one hell of a mediocre amateur!  =]
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Moe,

Thanks so much for sharing this!!  I only now had time
to listen to your glorps and it blew me away.
I had to try this immediately and it's immensly funny!
The sonic differences are really impressive. Since I
only have one 440 I did the experiment with the 440
and an Oakley Superladder - you can clearly hear the
differences between the two filters. The interactions
are amazing. I hooked the 1V/Oct inputs of the two
filters to the output of a MOTM850 in order to
modulate the frequencies together - just wonderful.

Thanks again!

Dino



--- mate_stubb <mate_stubb@...> wrote:

> That patch sounds pretty complex, doesn't it?
> Nothing could be further
> from the truth. You are listening to only 3 modules
> - 2 MOTM-440s and
> 1 MOTM-480.
> 
> The 480 adds nothing more than a little swept color
> to the sound. All
> the frying sounds, moans, thunder cracks, etc. are
> generated by the
> two 440 filters oscillating, and feeding each
> other's FM1 input, which
> is cranked all the way to -5.
> 
> Everything else is just tuning the frequencies until
> you get an
> interesting interaction. Because you are using
> feedback, you can get
> it to teeter in and out of an unstable situation.
> You can spend hours
> conjuring up howls from hell out of this basic
> simple patch.
> 
> Try sticking 3 or more in a feedback loop, using
> oscillators as well
> as filters too. When doing this kind of heavy FM, I
> like to use sine
> waves as starters because if you use saws or
> something rich the
> harmonics can overwhelm you.
> 
> Moe
> http://www.stoogeindustries.com
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Geoff <overand@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Man, nothing like a little MOTM-list glorp
> listening to make me feel
> > like one hell of a mediocre amateur!  =]
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