-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Paul Haneberg
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:22 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
The elegant solution is definitely to go directly from the pads to the
modular via some sort of interface.
Theoretically, midi could be better because you could do splits based on
velocity. Really what you want is a discrete trigger for each pad hit,
but also a CV output proportional to the velocity of the hit. With the
V-drums the potential is also there for some kind of CV based on the
position of the stick on the pad.
You could have several trigger outputs selected on the basis of velocity
as well. The problem is, as you say building an interface.
Alternatively you could use some sort of midi processor to generate the
splits, and possibly get what you want by using it in conjunction with
the 650.
I don't know a midi processor off the top of my head that will do this,
other than the Opcode Studio 5, which is obsolete, and requires a Mac
and the Opcode Patch Editor software to program. This is what I use. I
have 2 I use and 1 I keep for parts that no longer works. They are
quite cranky and obstinate pieces of gear, but they are great when they
work.
It may be possible to generate some usable control signals using a
combination of the S&H in the 101, an 850 and possibly a 700, but the
signal from the pad may need to be amplified first.
If I think of anything else I'll let you know.
Paul Haneberg
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Amann [mailto:greg.amann@...]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:54 AM
To: Paul Haneberg
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
Does my limited capacity for intelligent thought deceive me, or is Paul
H making the case for a better way to handle the V-Drum pads than a
V-Drum controller? Frankly, I do not have the h/w design expertise to
even go near a project of that complexity.
And it sounds like my application is poles apart from Paul H's. I am an
improvising performance based musician who virtually never records the
stuff I do. My work has sometimes been confused with performance art,
rather than a concert in the strictest sense. I need something that
will allow me to trigger a variety of patches from a variety of pads in
real time.
Currently the technology that seems to be recommended is Pad to MIDI to
CV (assuming that I can split MIDI notes onto a variety of CV/triggers
etc). Tanking MIDI altogether has a certain conceptual elegance. But
the MIDI step does allow for all kinds of control freakyness!
PLL, BFG
Paul Haneberg wrote:
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> I have a lot of complaints with the way V-Drums do Midi.
> When I record V-drums I record the midi stream, but I also record each
> pad to its own audio channel.
> When I go to edit, I make multiple copies of the midi track, because
the
> midi track has so much undocumented junk that I often can't tell which
> drum is which. So I compare the timing of the midi hits with the
audio
> track for each drum and edit till I have a separate midi track for
each
> drum. Then I put them all back together into one midi track.
> Then I either feed that back into the V-Drums or I use BFD (which
sound
> far more natural.)
> Usually I end up using mostly BFD stuff, but mixing in some V-Drum,
> particularly on the kick.
>
> This is all very time consuming, but I like the result. Even when
> recording real drums I often will augment them with V-Drum samples.
> Usually I use sound replacer for that, but sometimes I'll EQ and gate
a
> drum track till I have one drum pretty well isolated, then I feed the
> audio signal into the one of the Aux inputs on the V-Drum head.
>
> This give me a midi signal, which I then edit. (The V-Drum head needs
> to be adjusted to treat the audio signal with the right amount of
> sensitivity and to minimize multiple triggers.) Then I use it to
> trigger something else such as BFD.
>
> There ought to be a better way, but I haven't found it yet.
>
> Paul Haneberg
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Greg Amann
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:00 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] V-Drums with modulars Redux
>
> It sure has a certain romance to tank MIDI entirely and trigger the
> modular from the V-Drums directly. It also sounds like solving the
> technical issues to get it to work in a performance setting would
> consume A LOT of time and money and, in the end, be re-inventing the
> wheel that Roland has spent years perfecting. I assume that Paul
> agrees with this since his silence after my original post was
> deafening. ;-)
>
> So now the technical problem is this: drum brains allow you to
> transmit any MIDI note you want, but they do not allow you to transmit
> the various pads on various MIDI channels. So I will need a MIDI to
> CV converter that allows me to split the MIDI stream based on MIDI
> notes. Will the MOTM-650 allow me to send MIDI note "x" to CV1 and
> MIDI note "y" to CV2 etc. when "x" and "y" are on the same MIDI
channel?
>
> PLL, BFG
>
> PS: When does the MOTM-650 begin shipping? I ask this out of
> curiousity with no intent to torture poor 'ol Pauly.
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