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TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Sikorsky

hello all - hope this isn't too off topic

i finally nearly got my TLN156 ready - i ordered my reverb tanks direct from
accutronics, but i was having a problem locating the VTL5C3 (here in
UK/Europe) - i got the VTL5C3/2 from Tube Amp Doctor, and guess what - it
has five legs - so i have two questions for scott and the gang

1 - can i use the VTL5C3 in my TLN156, and how do i measure which leg to use
(the LED part seems obvious)
2 - anyone know where to get the correct VTL5C3 in Europe / preferably the
UK
3 - anyone need any spare dual optocouplers :-)

ps -  i might just get the correct ones from the US, what with that great
exchange rate and all...
cheers
paul b
sheffield
uk

Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by jhaible@debitel.net

> 1 - can i use the VTL5C3 in my TLN156, and how do i measure which leg to use
> (the LED part seems obvious)

Just leave the middle wire open.
AFAIK, the VTL5C3/2 is just a center tapped VTL5C3.

You can also just use one half of the cell (leave
one of the outer wires open) and get 1/2 the resistance,
or even connect the two halves in parallel (short the
two outer wires together) and get 1/4 the resistance.
As these devices have rather high tolerance, you might
try the different options and see what fits best into your
application.

JH.

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Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Sikorsky

thank you very much
i was begining to think i'd made a costly mistake
(but then again, they still haven't charged my credit card...)
cheers
paul b
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From: <jhaible@...>
> Just leave the middle wire open.
> AFAIK, the VTL5C3/2 is just a center tapped VTL5C3.

Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Scott Juskiw

>  > 1 - can i use the VTL5C3 in my TLN156, and how do i measure which 
>leg to use
>>  (the LED part seems obvious)
>
>Just leave the middle wire open.
>AFAIK, the VTL5C3/2 is just a center tapped VTL5C3.
>
>You can also just use one half of the cell (leave
>one of the outer wires open) and get 1/2 the resistance,
>or even connect the two halves in parallel (short the
>two outer wires together) and get 1/4 the resistance.
>As these devices have rather high tolerance, you might
>try the different options and see what fits best into your
>application.

These are good ideas, thanks JH. I didn't realize the VTL5C3 was 
difficult to get in Europe. Nice to know there's an option.

I just looked at the spec sheets for the 5C3 and 5C3/2 and, like the 
man says, the 5C3/2 is pretty much a 5C3 with center tap. You should 
be able to clip out the middle wire and solder it onto the board.

Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Sikorsky

hello all,
i had a pretty good look around on the web, and called a couple of 'rare
parts' companies, and the only (useful) reference i could find was at Tube
Amp Doctor which is co-incidentally where i originally planned to get my
reverb tanks ***

they can be found at www.tubeampdoctor.com and a single Vactec VTL5C3/2 will
set you back 14.45 Euro
UK chaps might be interested to know that they also do those old fashioned
Bulgin pignosed mains connectors that are now banned (and therefore
unobtainable) in the UK
*** if you plan on ordering a reverb tank, a non stock item can take up to 3
months to deliver - do what i did and order direct from Cal Shuett at
Accutronics

cheers
paul b
sheffield
uk


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Juskiw" <scott@...>
To: "Sikorsky" <vulture.squadron@...>
Cc: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
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> >  > 1 - can i use the VTL5C3 in my TLN156, and how do i measure which
> >leg to use
> >>  (the LED part seems obvious)
> >
> >Just leave the middle wire open.
> >AFAIK, the VTL5C3/2 is just a center tapped VTL5C3.
> >
> >You can also just use one half of the cell (leave
> >one of the outer wires open) and get 1/2 the resistance,
> >or even connect the two halves in parallel (short the
> >two outer wires together) and get 1/4 the resistance.
> >As these devices have rather high tolerance, you might
> >try the different options and see what fits best into your
> >application.
>
> These are good ideas, thanks JH. I didn't realize the VTL5C3 was
> difficult to get in Europe. Nice to know there's an option.
>
> I just looked at the spec sheets for the 5C3 and 5C3/2 and, like the
> man says, the 5C3/2 is pretty much a 5C3 with center tap. You should
> be able to clip out the middle wire and solder it onto the board.
>

Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Sikorsky

> *** if you plan on ordering a reverb tank, a non stock item can take up to
3
> months to deliver - do what i did and order direct from Cal Shuett at
> Accutronics

and what happens when i get home..?
a gorgeous pair of type 9 tanks were waiting for me - just over \ufffd50 all in

valentine's weekend..? pah !

cheers
paul b

ps - tony, get that frequency sorted before the exchange rate dips !!!

Re: [motm] TLN 156 problem / question / warning

2004-02-10 by Sikorsky

> ps - tony, get that frequency sorted before the exchange rate dips !!!

i meant frequency shifter
exchange rate is currently $1.87 to \ufffd1 grrrreat !

cheers
paul
(also waiting for a pile of astatic microphones to turn up - and not from
tube amp doctor either...)

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-10 by Scott Juskiw

At 2:45 AM -0800 2004/02/13, Tobias Machine Head wrote:
>I'm looking for a quantizer module.

Some time ago, Tony from Encore mentioned he was thinking about doing 
a quantizer. I know that doesn't help if you need one right now. 
Perhaps Tony will let us know if he's still thinking about doing one.

Or how about Paul S? Is there an MOTM quantizer in the expanse for us?

I'm using a MiniWave with Matthew Davidson's ROMs as a quantizer. I 
can't imagine why I'd need something else.

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-10 by Marc Bareille

Hi Tobias and MOTM group ,

I have received  last week a couple of TM116 and one 16 Bit Quantizer
ordered one month ago to  Analogic ACS ...

What i can say about Analogic-ACS modules  : They are pure jewels of
accuracy and very hi quality devices !!!
I get all modules assembled and trimmed by ACS because they have better
tool than i have to calibrate this beast . Assembling a sequencer is not
for lazy man like me ...  Unless to say their work quality is excellent
as well as pcb and  nice ( ultra) white front panels !

Well i have only a very  little experience of use for now , i just
finished to integrate all those module in their cabinets , building the
psu and so on ... But from the first hours of experiment i spend with
those modules with my MOTM synth , i must admit they are amazing and
really powerful !

It can  give perfect pitch to any VCOs  drived with any kind of sources
, and the feeling i get when doinig this was : i re-discover my vintage
synth ! I have also played with the  MS20 and  the V/Hz mode perfomed by
the 16Bits  quantizer and the result was a perfect  tune , may be better
than the vintage keyboard ! Driving an old synth with those modules is
amazing because you will heard pitched better than ever before , and
still controled with CV/gate :-)

This module is also a great improvement to my little 8 bits  Midi to CV
interfaces ( MCV628 and 876), transforming them with only one jack in
ultra high accuracy 16 bit interfaces !

Also the  quantiser used in combination with an analog sequencer  (
TM116)  make the sequencer extremely easy to use as you do not need to
tune each  pot ! Just select the correct note in the scale , and it is
possible to transpose the entire sequence with another row of CV
sequencer with the Transpose CV in Jacks ...! In the same mind to change
or zap instantly  to another prepeared sequence using the "next channel
" mode .

It also work well at audio rates as well as TM116 sequencer ,
transforming everything in a kind of super waveshaper / sound generator
!

Using other features like scale/channel select probably  require to own
more " logical"  modules to play with  all  posibilities. But they are
already there , i will explore thi way later when my logic module will
be ready...

The final impress i have about this quantizer : it is extremely well
thinked by very serious people who know what they are talking about ! As
Analogic ACS say in their web site : "the most accurate quantizer ever
made " : it is true i have tried ...

Well you get my opinion about Analogic-ACS modules ... Hope it will help
you to do your choice !

Best regards,

Marc B.

PS:  i know well Doepffer devices , but they cannot be compared with
Analogic -ACS : It is like to compare a Lada car with a Ferrarri ! I
prefear the second one specialy if i pay them quite the same price ...
PPS : soory for long email , but when you love you do not count ...

Tobias Machine Head a \ufffdcrit :
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> I\ufffdm looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold
> it\ufffds own is this one.
> Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge convert
> a Doepfer module)
>
> http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html
>
> They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any user
> coments?
>
> Tobias
>


>

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-10 by J. Larry Hendry

Has anyone used these modules?> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tobias Machine Head
> I'm looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold it's
own is this one.
> http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html

I think it looks pretty neat.  It appears to me that the panel format is
already MOTM size.  No Stooge conversion needed.  You could get a 904
banajack interface or see if it is physically possible to change the banana
jacks to 1/4"

> Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge convert a
Doepfer module)

Yes, and when you're done, it's still Doepfer.

> They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any user
coments?

At least one person here on the list has one. Not me.
Larry

analogic quantizer (was: Has anyone used these modules?)

2004-02-11 by Mark

On 2/10/04, J. Larry Hendry put forth:
>Has anyone used these modules?> ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: Tobias Machine Head
>  > I'm looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold it's
>own is this one.
>  > http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html

This is another option I've considered:

http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs130.htm

but it's expensive, and in the wrong format.

>I think it looks pretty neat.

It does look neat.  In addition to 16-bit quantizing, it seems to
also include a 4-channel one-way router and various logic functions,
although I don't know how useful they would be.

>It appears to me that the panel format is already MOTM size.

It looks that way, but I would want to make sure.  I couldn't find
any specifications on their web page -- nothing about dimensions,
power requirements, etc.  It doesn't say what is required in building
the kit version, either, or what equipment is needed to calibrate it.

>No Stooge conversion needed.  You could get a 904
>banajack interface or see if it is physically possible to change the banana
>jacks to 1/4"

It looks like some of the connectors are 1/4" and the rest are
bananas.  I have no idea if 1/4" jacks would fit.  If they don't, a
940 or TS-->banana adapter cables would work.

>>Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge convert a
>>Doepfer module)
>
>Yes, and when you're done, it's still Doepfer.

Right, that would be like putting Yugo engine in a Cadillac.

I could live with a white module if it were MOTM format, but I'd like
to know more about it before I buy one.  Anyone know what the 24
scales are??

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by Richard Brewster

These do look interesting. But I can't understand them very well from 
looking at the web page. Here's my summary and some questions:

Analogic-ACS 16bits Voltage Quantizer is:

A single output 16-bit quantizer.
Four separate input channels, having two mixed inputs each.
Some inputs to select the channel to be quantized. (How do these work?)
A clock input to control conversion.
Three banks of eight scales each.
Bank selection seems to be by a 3-position toggle switch only.
Scale selection is by a manual dial, or by one of eight gate inputs.

It is designed to be used with the sequencer, but I want to know how I 
could use one of these without the sequencer.

What are the input and output voltage ranges?
Why do I need four input channels if there is only one output?
Do I always have to supply the clock for conversion?
Why can't I control the bank selection by voltage control? Like on a 
Miniwave.
Eight separate gate inputs to control scale selection! What happens if 
two of those gates are enabled? I want one CV input for scale selection, 
like on a Miniwave.
What if I want more scales?

I can dig a 16-bit precision quantizer, but the electrical and human 
user interfaces seem whacky on this one.

-Richard Brewster


P.S. Has anyone else noticed that email from Tobias is dated three days 
into the future?

-Richard Brewster

Tobias Machine Head wrote:
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> Ok, that\ufffds great news! I\ufffdm getting a set of both right away!
> To use Doepfer would be a serious of a let down, I agree.
>
> I\ufffdm very eager to use them for more experimental use. Like random 
> melody generators, tuning filters etc.
>
> The format is MOTM, I was just hoping the color would be black =) Not 
> that I don\ufffdt like their Serge\ufffdesque look, but it would keep the MOTM 
> rig uniform in color.
> Now how about the banana 1/4 inch combo? Is it beneficial to stay 
> banana or is a 1/4 inch conversion kosher?
>
> Thanks for all the response!
>
> Tobias
>
>

Re: Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by Bob

I have used my Blacet Miniwave as a quantizer, it worked quite well 
too.....




--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Machine Head <tobias@m...> wrote:
> I¹m looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold 
it¹s own
> is this one.
> Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge 
convert a
> Doepfer module)
> 
> http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html
> 
> They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any 
user
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> coments?
> 
> Tobias

Re: Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by xiphiguy

I have the TM-116 and Quantizer modules from Analogic ACS, and I've 
been extremely happy with their performance and power. I was a little 
confused at first about the quantizer, because it really is optimized 
to work with the sequencer. Both modules have a range of 2.5 octaves, 
which will be increased to 5 octaves in a future upgrade of the 
quantizer. So, while there is no reason that you couldn't use the 
Quantizer with other modules, you would need to understand what it is 
meant to do.
Regarding the banana jack format, it would be very difficult to use 
the full power of this system in any other format, and they do have a 
patch panel to convert banana to 1/4", or vice versa. The reason for 
this is that each step of the sequencer can be tapped to trigger 
multiple events, and you can stack banana jacks on the output for 
this purpose. I'm currently using mine to drive the pitch of a bank 
of VCOs, and also to trigger my drum modules.
The owners at Analogic ACS have been very helpful in answering 
questions about how to use their system, and how to integrate the 
sytem with my other gear, and they have even helped me with mods to 
my other gear when needed to get the desired results. If you have any 
questions about the gear, I would encourage you to contact them and 
find out for yourself:   gur_mil@...

~Terry

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Tobias Machine Head <tobias@m...> wrote:
> I¹m looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold 
it¹s own
> is this one.
> Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge 
convert a
> Doepfer module)
> 
> http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html
> 
> They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any 
user
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> coments?
> 
> Tobias

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by Tobias Machine Head

I\u2019m back from the future now (check the date =)

Thanks everybody for insightful comments.

Marc (and MOTMers),
What other white modules do you have (any pictures?)? I definitely want to get a healthy set of the ASC modules, but I wonder if I can fill a whole new cabinet with white. Also, any ideas for mounting the sequencer (19inch) in a 12u MOTM cabinet?
Obviously function comes before form and looks, but it would be really awesome to have two identical cabinets in two different colors.

here\u2019s a pic of my current MOTM rig

http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/WebHome


Tobias



Hi Tobias and MOTM group,


> I\u2019m very eager to use them for more experimental use. Like random melody
> generators, tuning filters etc.

I think ACS module are really made for experimental use ! I think specialy
tabout the SSI feature of their TM116 sequencer directly herited from the
Serge, to make very complex sequences .
>
> The format is MOTM, I was just hoping the color would be black =) Not that I
> don\u2019t like their Serge\u2019esque look, but it would keep the MOTM rig uniform in
> color.
I had the same "problem" with color, but finaly i found a way to solve this: i
have now a black cabinet for MOTM modules and cheaffer panels , and a "white
cabinet" also to contain ACS modules and other control modules...It is Yin and
Yang = Zen modular synth . But it look good !

> Now how about the banana 1/4 inch combo? Is it beneficial to stay banana or
> is a 1/4 inch conversion kosher?

Bananas are great for logic signals like triggers and gates : you can stack
them and they ar very reliable too. from my experience i will stay with bananas
for all "logic " signals , converting to jacks only when required...

I get a 1U Patch panel from ACS ( white color) to perform Jack to bananas
conversion and multi jack too. This item is not listed on their site , but if
you ask for they can provide ...


Best regards

Marc B.


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Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by m.bareille@free.fr

Hi Tobias and MOTM group,


> I\ufffdm very eager to use them for more experimental use.  Like random melody
> generators, tuning filters etc.

I think ACS module are really made  for experimental use ! I think specialy 
tabout the SSI feature of their TM116 sequencer directly  herited from the 
Serge, to make very complex sequences . 
> 
> The format is MOTM, I was just hoping the color would be black =) Not that I
> don\ufffdt like their Serge\ufffdesque look, but it would keep the MOTM rig uniform in
> color.
I had the same "problem" with color, but finaly i found a way to solve this: i 
have now a black cabinet for MOTM modules and cheaffer panels , and a "white 
cabinet" also to contain ACS modules and other control modules...It is Yin and 
Yang = Zen modular synth . But it look good ! 
 
> Now how about the banana 1/4 inch combo? Is it beneficial to stay banana or
> is a 1/4 inch conversion kosher?

Bananas are great for logic signals like triggers and gates : you can stack 
them and they ar very reliable too. from my experience i will stay with bananas 
for all "logic " signals , converting to jacks only when required...

I get a 1U Patch panel from ACS ( white color) to perform Jack to bananas 
conversion and multi jack too. This item is not listed on their site , but if 
you ask for they can provide ... 
 

Best regards

Marc B.

Re: [motm] analogic quantizer (was: Has anyone used these modules?)

2004-02-11 by Mark

On 2/10/04, Richard Brewster put forth:
>These do look interesting. But I can't understand them very well from
>looking at the web page. Here's my summary and some questions:
>
>Analogic-ACS 16bits Voltage Quantizer is:
>
>A single output 16-bit quantizer.
>Four separate input channels, having two mixed inputs each.
>Some inputs to select the channel to be quantized. (How do these work?)
>A clock input to control conversion.
>Three banks of eight scales each.
>Bank selection seems to be by a 3-position toggle switch only.
>Scale selection is by a manual dial, or by one of eight gate inputs.
>
>It is designed to be used with the sequencer, but I want to know how I
>could use one of these without the sequencer.

I guess you could use it with any CV source (sequencer, LFO,
MIDI-->CV converter, etc.) as long as it was within its voltage range.

>What are the input and output voltage ranges?

Good question :)

>Why do I need four input channels if there is only one output?

That seems like overkill to me.  I imagine it is for switching
between four CV sources, like the four rows of a four-channel step
sequencer.

>Do I always have to supply the clock for conversion?

Most quantizers designed for step sequencers do not have a sample and
hold feature, as the output of a step sequencer should be very
stable.  However, it would be useful if the input was continuous or
fluctuating like the output of an LFO or pitch-->CV converter.  It
could also be used with the differentiator to trigger converter I
built that Larry put up on his site.  Many pitch-->CV converters with
built in quantizers (eg. Korg, Roland) combine all three functions
(differentiator to trigger, sample & hold, and quantizing).

>Why can't I control the bank selection by voltage control? Like on a
>Miniwave.
>Eight separate gate inputs to control scale selection! What happens if
>two of those gates are enabled? I want one CV input for scale selection,
>like on a Miniwave.

I agree that a CV implementation seems more elegant, and uses fewer
jacks.  However, if you wanted to select scales on Miniwave using
logic triggers, you would need an external router and voltage sources
(eg. 700, 800) or a DC-coupled VCA and mixer.

>What if I want more scales?

I'd like to know what the 24 scales are.

>I can dig a 16-bit precision quantizer, but the electrical and human
>user interfaces seem whacky on this one.

I tend to agree, but I would like to know more about it.

>P.S. Has anyone else noticed that email from Tobias is dated three days
>into the future?

Maybe he's a cyborg sent to terminate Dieter Doepfer ;)

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-11 by Gur Milstein

Hi MOTM group .

I would try to answer to some of the questions which had been asked .

So to start , the ACS moduls are 100% compatible with MOTM , the mechanical 
size is the same as well as power connector , the moduls use +/-15V , most 
of our users use there 900 with no problem .

The CV input range for all 8 CV inputs is 0 - 2.5V , why ? , as this are 
high precision input for use with the TM-116 , the result is stable 
quantization of the sequence with NO errors .
this inputs can also accept other sources of voltage as Marc had mention 
(midi > cv and such) .

The Quantizer have 4 channels , each channel is a 2 input analog CV mixer  .
one example for the use of this channels is  , patching 2 TMs would create 
32 CV steps sequence , 4 TMs would create 64 CV steps sequence , 3 TMs would 
create 32 CV steps while the threed TM would transpose them both etc etc etc 
(just one small example) .

The CV out range is currently set to 0 - 2.5V which means 2.5 Octave 
according to the 1V/Oct standard .
however the Quantizer use a 16bit EPROM that can be program so the CV output 
can be 0 - 5V , and different scales can be programmed as well  .

The scales which are currently in use are :

http://www.analogic-acs.com/SCALES.xls


Now i wont get on the mail list into the "how to use" , "what it would do 
for me..." etc etc , i would just say that it would make your MOTM speak 
like never before .
I welcome anybody that is interested in an analog control system to contact 
me privately for that information .

Thank you all .

Cheers
Gur Milstein

ANALOGIC Analog Control System

www.analogic-acs.com

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Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-12 by Marc Bareille

Hi Tobias and  MOTM group,

I do not have any other white modules for the moment! I plan to fill the
7U hole in my "control" cabinet with white painted modules anyway. I do
not know if Analogic ACS plan to release more white modules . But i hope
the answer will be "yes" ! 

About mounting the TM116 sequencer inside a 12U cabinet : if your
cabinet is exactly 12U (=53,28cm ?) You can add a small vertical bar
made of wood to screw the rack panel. There is approx 2cm of free space
between the border side of the panel and the pcb on each sides. 

I have builded my new cabinets to contain any kind of 19" rack. So i
have fixed on both sides a piece of wood on witch i screw sequencers
panels. I think it can be also possible to use metal rails and square
bolts like on classic rack bay or fly cases. Inside length of this
cabinet is 48.3 cm = the exact size of a TM116 with 1mm of extra free
space. Height is 2 row of 5U as the TM116 is a 2.5U unit. My "black"
cabinet is identical but slightly larger to contain more modules. None
of my cabinets fit exactly the MOTM 2U panels division, but i will glue
a small piece of painted steel to fill the small remaining space. For
me, the most important thing  it is all cabinets have the same height
because i put them side by side. I will post picture of my synth boxes
soon, but i need to borrow a digital camera first !

Best regards,

Marc B.



Tobias Machine Head a \ufffdcrit :
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>
>
>      I\ufffdm back from the future now (check the date =)
>
>      Thanks everybody for insightful comments.
>
>      Marc (and MOTMers),
>      What other white modules do you have (any pictures?)? I
>      definitely want to get a healthy set of the ASC modules, but
>      I wonder if I can fill a whole new cabinet with white. Also,
>      any ideas for mounting the sequencer (19inch) in a 12u MOTM
>      cabinet?
>      Obviously function comes before form and looks, but it would
>      be really awesome to have two identical cabinets in two
>      different colors.
>
>      here\ufffds a pic of my current MOTM rig
>
>
>      ttp://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Community/WebHome
>
>
>
>      Tobias
>
>
>
>      Hi Tobias and MOTM group,
>
>
>      > I\ufffdm very eager to use them for more experimental use.
>      Like random melody
>      > generators, tuning filters etc.
>
>      I think ACS module are really made  for experimental use ! I
>      think specialy
>      tabout the SSI feature of their TM116 sequencer directly
>      herited from the
>      Serge, to make very complex sequences .
>      >
>      > The format is MOTM, I was just hoping the color would be
>      black =) Not that I
>      > don\ufffdt like their Serge\ufffdesque look, but it would keep the
>      MOTM rig uniform in
>      > color.
>      I had the same "problem" with color, but finaly i found a
>      way to solve this: i
>      have now a black cabinet for MOTM modules and cheaffer
>      panels , and a "white
>      cabinet" also to contain ACS modules and other control
>      modules...It is Yin and
>      Yang = Zen modular synth . But it look good !
>
>      > Now how about the banana 1/4 inch combo? Is it beneficial
>      to stay banana or
>      > is a 1/4 inch conversion kosher?
>
>      Bananas are great for logic signals like triggers and gates
>      : you can stack
>      them and they ar very reliable too. from my experience i
>      will stay with bananas
>      for all "logic " signals , converting to jacks only when
>      required...
>
>      I get a 1U Patch panel from ACS ( white color) to perform
>      Jack to bananas
>      conversion and multi jack too. This item is not listed on
>      their site , but if
>      you ask for they can provide ...
>
>
>      Best regards
>
>      Marc B.
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RE: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-12 by John Loffink

These look like nice modules, but isn't the sequencer 3U high?

John Loffink
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> So to start , the ACS moduls are 100% compatible with MOTM , the
> mechanical
> size is the same as well as power connector , the moduls use +/-15V , most
> of our users use there 900 with no problem .

Re: Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-12 by xiphiguy

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "John Loffink" <jloffink@a...> wrote:
> These look like nice modules, but isn't the sequencer 3U high?

My TM-116 sequencer measures 4 3/8" high, which is exactly 2.5U. The 
other modules, including the Quantizer and patch panel, are 5U high, 
and the screw holes are the same as MOTM modules. I've been told that 
there are at least two logic modules in development, and these will 
also be 5U high.
~Terry

Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-13 by Tobias Machine Head

I\u2019m looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold it\u2019s own is this one.
Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge convert a Doepfer module)

http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html

They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any user coments?

Tobias

Re: [motm] Has anyone used these modules?

2004-02-13 by Tobias Machine Head

Ok, that\u2019s great news! I\u2019m getting a set of both right away!
To use Doepfer would be a serious of a let down, I agree.

I\u2019m very eager to use them for more experimental use. Like random melody generators, tuning filters etc.

The format is MOTM, I was just hoping the color would be black =) Not that I don\u2019t like their Serge\u2019esque look, but it would keep the MOTM rig uniform in color.
Now how about the banana 1/4 inch combo? Is it beneficial to stay banana or is a 1/4 inch conversion kosher?

Thanks for all the response!

Tobias



on 2/10/04 3:34 PM, Marc Bareille at m.bareille@... wrote:

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Hi Tobias and MOTM group ,

I have received last week a couple of TM116 and one 16 Bit Quantizer
ordered one month ago to Analogic ACS ...

What i can say about Analogic-ACS modules : They are pure jewels of
accuracy and very hi quality devices !!!
I get all modules assembled and trimmed by ACS because they have better
tool than i have to calibrate this beast . Assembling a sequencer is not
for lazy man like me ... Unless to say their work quality is excellent
as well as pcb and nice ( ultra) white front panels !

Well i have only a very little experience of use for now , i just
finished to integrate all those module in their cabinets , building the
psu and so on ... But from the first hours of experiment i spend with
those modules with my MOTM synth , i must admit they are amazing and
really powerful !

It can give perfect pitch to any VCOs drived with any kind of sources
, and the feeling i get when doinig this was : i re-discover my vintage
synth ! I have also played with the MS20 and the V/Hz mode perfomed by
the 16Bits quantizer and the result was a perfect tune , may be better
than the vintage keyboard ! Driving an old synth with those modules is
amazing because you will heard pitched better than ever before , and
still controled with CV/gate :-)

This module is also a great improvement to my little 8 bits Midi to CV
interfaces ( MCV628 and 876), transforming them with only one jack in
ultra high accuracy 16 bit interfaces !

Also the quantiser used in combination with an analog sequencer (
TM116) make the sequencer extremely easy to use as you do not need to
tune each pot ! Just select the correct note in the scale , and it is
possible to transpose the entire sequence with another row of CV
sequencer with the Transpose CV in Jacks ...! In the same mind to change
or zap instantly to another prepeared sequence using the "next channel
" mode .

It also work well at audio rates as well as TM116 sequencer ,
transforming everything in a kind of super waveshaper / sound generator
!

Using other features like scale/channel select probably require to own
more " logical" modules to play with all posibilities. But they are
already there , i will explore thi way later when my logic module will
be ready...

The final impress i have about this quantizer : it is extremely well
thinked by very serious people who know what they are talking about ! As
Analogic ACS say in their web site : "the most accurate quantizer ever
made " : it is true i have tried ...

Well you get my opinion about Analogic-ACS modules ... Hope it will help
you to do your choice !

Best regards,

Marc B.

PS: i know well Doepffer devices , but they cannot be compared with
Analogic -ACS : It is like to compare a Lada car with a Ferrarri ! I
prefear the second one specialy if i pay them quite the same price ...
PPS : soory for long email , but when you love you do not count ...

Tobias Machine Head a écrit :

> I’m looking for a quantizer module. The only one that seem to hold
> it’s own is this one.
> Doepfer has one too, (but I think it would be a mess to Stooge convert
> a Doepfer module)
>
> http://www.analogic-acs.com/quantizer.html
>
> They also make a companion sequencer that looks pretty cool. Any user
> coments?
>
> Tobias
>


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