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curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-05 by Jeffrey Pontius

Since Paul has scheduled modules that require the new +5v p.s. to ship
within the next 1/2 year, I've been considering ps setup for my system
for these modules.

On the motm news page, Paul has listed the motm 950 with pcb connector
board for 6 modules requiring +5V and 3 modules that do not require the
+5V @ 400ma.  If I remember (which may not be correct), the 'rule of
thumb' for the motm 900 @ 800ma is about 20-24 modules max.  Is it then
reasonable to assume that the 950 can safely power about 12 modules max?
Or does this depend upon the +5V to non +5V ratio of modules connected?

Are any of you thinking of alternatives to the 950?  Given my limited
front panel real estate (or maybe overindulgence in module acquisition),
I'm tending towards putting both of my current power supplies in back of
my cabinets (so a 1U 'switch' front panel would be nice).  Are any of you
thinking of doing this with a 950-like ps?  If so, how many +5V
modules and non +5V modules are you considering, and which power supply
(and associated components) are you considering?

Thanks, Jeff

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-05 by groovyshaman@snet.net

Is it "preferable" to run the "old" modules from their own separate power
supply, and the 500/600 series from the 950, to keep any digital "noise" on the
power lines away from the analog-only modules?  Or is this overkill?

George
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From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?


> The MOTM-950 can power about 12 "old" MOTM modules AND 8 500/600 series at
the same time.
>
> Paul S.

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-05 by Paul Schreiber

Overkill.

Paul S.

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> Is it "preferable" to run the "old" modules from their own separate power
> supply, and the 500/600 series from the 950, to keep any digital "noise" on the
> power lines away from the analog-only modules?  Or is this overkill?
> 
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
> To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>; Jeffrey Pontius <jpont@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?
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> 
> > The MOTM-950 can power about 12 "old" MOTM modules AND 8 500/600 series at
> the same time.
> >
> > Paul S.
> 
>

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-06 by Scott Juskiw

At 9:21 AM -0600 2003/03/05, Jeffrey Pontius wrote:
>Are any of you thinking of alternatives to the 950?

I'm using 900s for the normal modules and wiring separate +5V linear 
supplies in parallel with them for the 500/600 modules. I'll be using 
the new 990 board when it ships.

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-06 by jwbarlow@aol.com

In a message dated 3/5/2003 8:45:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, synth1@... writes:
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The MOTM-950 can power about 12 "old" MOTM modules AND 8 500/600 series at the same time.


Sorry to belabor this Paul, but (since I forgot to order one with my last order) I'd like to know more specifics. Will the 8 500/600 suck up all the available 5V line? Do you have an average for the current from the 5V line for each 500/600 module? I think you said the 500/600 would use very little of the +15V -15V? If the 950 was used (almost) exclusively for the 500/600 series modules, how many would it power and would it be underutilized on the +15V -15V sides?

I'd prefer not to have a whole bunch of little power supplies in one cabinet, but I remember checking out PSUs a few years ago and I seem to remember that the 5V leg always had way more current than I thought I'd need while the 15V legs didn't have enough.

JB

air-module

2003-03-06 by Scott Juskiw

I was just reading about the Alesis Air-Synth and thought that an 
air-module would make a good controller. Three CV outs (X, Y, Z) and 
three GATE outputs (also for X, Y, Z) with a configurable gate 
threshold. It would be very similar to having three MOTM-850s. The IR 
transmitter/receiver would not be mounted on the module, it would be 
plugged in just like a foot pedal so it could be positioned anywhere. 
Put the sensor on the ground and let animals sniff it to control your 
synth, or put a bunch of moths in a cage and let them control your 
synth. Or does the operator need to be warm blooded for the IR to 
sense them? Lots of possibilities. Way more fun than a joystick, IMHO.

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-06 by Paul Schreiber

OK......CLASS IS NOW IN SESSION!!
Think of a bucket full of water. The amount of water in the bucket is the WATTAGE.
Think of 3 holes in the bottom of the bucket: 2 holes 0.1" in diameter and one 1" in diameter.
The 2 small holes are the +15V and -15V feeds, the large hole is the +5V feed.
We observe the following:
a) if we plug up the +5V hole, the same amount of water still comes out the other 2 holes
b) if we plug up the 2 small holes, the same amount of water comes out the big hole
In other words, the 3 *currents* (the water coming out) are independent of *each other* BUT (and here is the big but), the OVERALL CAPACITY is the size of the bucket (the power supply wattage).
However......the Power One has *set limits* on the WATTAGE drawn out of EACH of the 3 supplies. If that individual is exceeded, a circuit then 'shuts down' that output. There is no 'current stealing' :(
If you "max out" say the +5V side by plugging in 8 uSeqs, you can still pull ADDITIONAL wattage out of the +-15V side. I can't say exactly how much +-15V current the new modules draw. Overall, the answer is "about 15ma".
Does this help??!?
Paul S.

Re: [motm] air-module

2003-03-06 by Paul Schreiber

You have to emit at least 80F (usually) for the IR to 'see you'.

Paul S.

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> I was just reading about the Alesis Air-Synth and thought that an
> air-module would make a good controller. Three CV outs (X, Y, Z) and
> three GATE outputs (also for X, Y, Z) with a configurable gate
> threshold. It would be very similar to having three MOTM-850s. The IR
> transmitter/receiver would not be mounted on the module, it would be
> plugged in just like a foot pedal so it could be positioned anywhere.
> Put the sensor on the ground and let animals sniff it to control your
> synth, or put a bunch of moths in a cage and let them control your
> synth. Or does the operator need to be warm blooded for the IR to
> sense them? Lots of possibilities. Way more fun than a joystick, IMHO.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-06 by Jeffrey Pontius

> If you "max out" say the +5V side by plugging in 8 uSeqs,
>  you can still pull ADDITIONAL wattage out of the +-15V side. I can't
> say exactly how much +-15V current the new modules draw. Overall, the
> answer is "about 15ma".
Do you mean on average 15ma PER +-15V module (given the previous
guestimate of 8 +5v and 12 +-15V modules per 950)?
Jeff

Re: [motm] curious: motm 950 p.s. or other?

2003-03-06 by Paul Schreiber

Yep.

Paul S.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Pontius" <jpont@...>
To: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
Cc: <motm@yahoogroups.com>; <jwbarlow@...>
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> > If you "max out" say the +5V side by plugging in 8 uSeqs,
> >  you can still pull ADDITIONAL wattage out of the +-15V side. I can't
> > say exactly how much +-15V current the new modules draw. Overall, the
> > answer is "about 15ma".
> Do you mean on average 15ma PER +-15V module (given the previous
> guestimate of 8 +5v and 12 +-15V modules per 950)?
> Jeff
> 
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> 
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