MOTM

Hi all, I'm about to order a bunch of cables from Larry, but 
now I have to face the truth: what colors do I get? I have 
no experience with this, except for the cable colors used 
on the NordMod. So I hope some of you can help me with a 
good color scheme, although I know its very personal.

At the moment I can think of two possible ways to go:

1. Get red and blue cables with red and blue heatshrink, and 
use these for audio and control signals, respectively. 
Problem here is that when you run out of one color you have 
to use the other, wrong color.

2. Get black cables with black heatshrink on the inside of 
the barrel. At home, add color coded heatshrink on the 
outside of the connector for audio, control, etc. If I 
regularly run out of a certain color, I can change the 
heatshrink. Problem is that you only see black cables with 
this scheme. Don't know if that's a problem, but I imagine 
it is.

A third option would be to get a zillion cables, heh. ;) No 
such luck, sorry Larry.

Any suggestion is welcome.

- Robert

> Hi all, I'm about to order a bunch of cables from Larry, but 
> now I have to face the truth: what colors do I get? 

I color-code to *length*, not by function.

Paul S.

> I color-code to *length*, not by function.

I personally think this is the best method.  Many of
the studios I have worked in also use this method.

Paul, what encoding scheme do you use?

What do other people use?  Are there any
"""standards""" in this regard?  What do some of the
other manufacturers do in this respect?

Cheers!
Shemp


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Hi all,
 To me, the primary (hey, a pun!) advantage with having different color 
cables is the ability to instantly know where each cable is patched to. I 
like not having to worry about following cable "rules" when patching too. 
It's enough for me just to keep track of all the signal routings. :) 

 Oh yeah, just to mention to everyone...last week I added a second tier to my 
modular. It's a temporary thing, and looks home brew, but I'm having a BLAST! 
 The rack is two rows of 60 inches across...and I already need another tier. 
:)

 Andrew
PS I received my Alco knobs from Carlton Bates and had no problems. It's a 
great deal (1.08 a knob for 50ea.).

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> You are missing the fact that 99% of the time, my patchcords are a
> jumbled mess on the floor.

But what we really wanted to know is - do you use the resistor color 
codes?  So like, black is just a 1/4" plug with no cable attached, 
brown is 1 foot, red is 2 feet, etc.  :)


Seth

This is what makes sense to me too.  If you have lots of different
combinations, then you will not have many (if any) of the same color combos
in the same patch.  With 81 different combination possibilities you won't
have too many duplicate colors in a patch.
Stooge Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: <ixqy@...>
To me, the primary (hey, a pun!) advantage with having different color
cables is the ability to instantly know where each cable is patched to.

Naw... Paul S. is much more hardcore than that.  His cables have bands of shrink-wrap...

black black red silver is a 2' cable +/- 2.4"

brown black green gold is a 105' cable +/- 63"

I swear, I've seen it with my own two eyes!

--PBr

-----Original Message-----
From: strohs56k <strohs@...> [mailto:strohs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:01 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: Cable color scheme advice?


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@a...> wrote:
> You are missing the fact that 99% of the time, my patchcords are a
> jumbled mess on the floor.

But what we really wanted to know is - do you use the resistor color 
codes?  So like, black is just a 1/4" plug with no cable attached, 
brown is 1 foot, red is 2 feet, etc.  :)


Seth



 

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At 7:29 AM -0600 2003/02/18, Paul Schreiber wrote:
>
>I color-code to *length*, not by function.
>

Same here. I use black for the shortest cables (1 footers) and white 
for the longest cables (6 footers). I have a rainbow of colours 
between the two in 1 foot increments, the darker the hue the shorter 
the cable.

How do you estimate the number of cables you'll need? For the upper 
bound, I count up the total number of jacks in my modular and divide 
by two. For the lower bound I divide the total number of jacks by 
four. To estimate the total number of jacks, I use 4 jacks per U as 
an average. I build cables as I add more modules. I just manage to 
stay ahead of the lower bound and so far, so good.

From: <strohs@...>
But what we really wanted to know is - do you use the resistor color codes?
So like, black is just a 1/4" plug with no cable attached, brown is 1 foot,
red is 2 feet, etc.  :)

From: <mate_stubb@...>
The acronym for wavelength color order is ROYGBIV - red, orange,  yellow,
green, blue, indigo, violet.   Hey Larry, how about offering a 5' length
so's we can complete our rainbow correctly (forget indigo)?

You guys need to find some better drugs. :)
Larry

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> 
> You guys need to find some better drugs. :)
> Larry

Hrmm - I think your just trying to avoid selling us 1/4" plugs with 
black heat shrink and no cable at half price. ;)

And I did get quite the laugh out of Paul B's adding tolerance to the 
cable length color code!


In all seriousness, I do have some cable question -

What color is the printed synthtech logo going to be?  (Or do we pick 
this also?)

For reasons that might become clear at a later date, I am leaning 
toward the "ROYGBIV" (rainbow) color code / associating wavelength 
with cable length.  I think I want white heatshrink on all cables and 
it seems like a black logo is most appropriate on white.  (Which is 
why I am asking - a white logo on white heatshrink and/or a black logo 
on black heatshrink doesnt seem too desirable.)

Any idea how the logo will be styled?  I think it would be cool to 
have some symmetry in the design - like "synthesis ~ technology" 
(where the ~ is supposed to be the sine wave logo thing.)

And a request - can we get some kind of demonstration of the 
flexibility of this cable?  (Something like, plug those sample cables 
into some modules and take a pictures so we can see how the cable 
"droops" with the heatshrink and all.)


Thanks!

Seth

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 01:04, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
> This is what makes sense to me too.  If you have lots of
> different combinations, then you will not have many (if
> any) of the same color combos in the same patch.  With 81
> different combination possibilities you won't have too
> many duplicate colors in a patch.

Keep trying Larry. ;)

- Robert

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <strohs@...>
> Hrmm - I think your just trying to avoid selling us 1/4" plugs with black
heat shrink and no cable at half price. ;)

HA.  Yes, I am avoiding that. :)  BTW, those that do like to DIY, thses are
commonly available 1/4" plugs.  Mouser has them.  You can DIY these cables
cheaper than you can get them from me.  If, if you really want to solder
them, go ahead. The logo'ed heat shrink will not be available separately.

> And I did get quite the laugh out of Paul B's adding tolerance to the
cable length color code!

Me too.  I intended to add his comments to me "need new drugs" post buy
couldn't put my hands on his mail.

> In all seriousness, I do have some cable question - What color is the
printed synthtech logo going to be?  (Or do we pick  this also?)

I don't know the answer to this 100% for certain.  The sample has silver (on
black heat shrink).  I don't know if they are all going to be silver or if
the light colors have something else.  I would assume the former, but I'll
have to find out.

> I think I want white heatshrink on all cables and it seems like a black
logo is most appropriate on white.  (Which is
why I am asking - a white logo on white heatshrink and/or a black logo on
black heatshrink doesnt seem too desirable.)

I will find out and let the list know.

> Any idea how the logo will be styled?  I think it would be cool to have
some symmetry in the design - like "synthesis ~ technology" (where the ~ is
supposed to be the sine wave logo thing.)

Well, I have not finalized that yet.  I suppose I could do that.  However, I
was leaning toward "synthesis" over the top of "technology" with the logo at
one end.  The reason has to do with heat shrink length.  I did not want the
shrink to be any longer than necessary.  That has to do with adding to the
"lack of droop" factor.  However, I will entertain all input.

> And a request - can we get some kind of demonstration of the flexibility
of this cable?  (Something like, plug those sample cables into some modules
and take a pictures so we can see how the cable "droops" with the heatshrink
and all.)

Yes, I will do that with some samples tonight..  In fact, I will address the
whole subject of droop and a more flexible cable option in another e-mail to
the list.
Larry

But what if you're color blind ?  :O

>But what we really wanted to know is - do you use the resistor color codes?
>So like, black is just a 1/4" plug with no cable attached, brown is 1 foot,
>red is 2 feet, etc. \ufffd:)
>

>The acronym for wavelength color order is ROYGBIV - red, orange, \ufffdyellow,
>green, blue, indigo, violet. \ufffd Hey Larry, how about offering a 5' length
>so's we can complete our rainbow correctly (forget indigo)?
>
>You guys need to find some better drugs. :)
>
>
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>
>

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 15:06, gareII@... wrote:
> But what if you're color blind ?  :O

Heatshrink with braille code.

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> 
> > Any idea how the logo will be styled?  I think it would be cool
> > to have some symmetry in the design - like "synthesis ~
> > technology" (where the ~ is supposed to be the sine wave
> > logo thing.)
> 
> Well, I have not finalized that yet.  I suppose I could do that.
> However, I was leaning toward "synthesis" over the top of
> "technology" with the logo at one end.  The reason has to do with
> heat shrink length.

Your right - laying out the logo horizontally probably makes the 
heat shrink too long.  (I guess I didn't think about it in that way.)  
So might be better to stack up the text as you say.

It does seem like a horizontal layout might almost work with the 
length of tubing on the sample cables in your photos - do you expect 
to have the heat shrink shorter on the finish cables?



About the alternate quote / alternate type of cable / cable droop 
stuff -

I will admit, I really like the look of the translucent cables with 
the braided shield.


Seth

----- Original Message -----

From: <strohs@...>
Your right - laying out the logo horizontally probably makes the heat shrink
too long.  (I guess I didn't think about it in that way.)  So might be
better to stack up the text as you say.

It does seem like a horizontal layout might almost work with the length of
tubing on the sample cables in your photos - do you expect to have the heat
shrink shorter on the finish cables?

--LH--
The common theme I keep hearing is that too much heat shrink makes the cable
too stiff.  I planned to ask for the heat shrink to be no longer than
necessary for the logo above the plug.  Comments welcome.

--Seth--
I will admit, I really like the look of the translucent cables with the
braided shield.

I think almost everyone does.
Larry