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[motm] Is this legal?

[motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by elhardt@att.net

I was milling through the Analog Heaven archives and noticed these recent 
Modcan modules made by a 3rd party (Cynthia Webster) located here:

http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/~cynthia/modules.php

Assuming this is not a hoax, is it legal to grab a bunch of other people's 
designs and manufacture your own modules for sale? I'm seeing Encore's UEG 
here, Blacet, Ken Stone designs, MOTM/Korg triple resonator, etc. She does give 
credit to those people. Maybe she coincidently got everybody's permission (and 
schematics) at the same time. It seems odd. If it's legitimate I hope all goes 
well for her. It's nice to know these modules are out there (if not a hoax) 
should I ever end up with any Modcan stuff in the future.

-Elhardt

Re: [motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by Paul Schreiber

> I was milling through the Analog Heaven archives and noticed these recent
> Modcan modules made by a 3rd party (Cynthia Webster) located here:
>
> http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/~cynthia/modules.php
>
>

In the MOTM instance, she buys my blank pc boards. I suspect the same is
true for the others.

Paul S.

RE: [motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by Les Mizzell

:> I was milling through the Analogue Heaven archives and noticed
:> these recent
:> Modcan modules made by a 3rd party (Cynthia Webster) located here:
:>
:> http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/~cynthia/modules.php


This site is now available at http://www.cyndustries.com


I worked with Cynthia developing her site. I can assure you, this is not a
hoax. (...and if anybody on any synth list is qualified to recognize that,
it would be you Elhardt, wouldn't it?? Heh....)

Cynthia  has taken the time to call and discuss these modules with anybody
that has had anything to do with their original designs. For example, she
knew she wanted to produce the Buchla Quad Lowpass Gate, and had already
worked out the panel design, graphics and other details. We held off putting
it on the site until she talked to Don Buchla himself, who gave her a huge
thumbs up. Same goes for other folks involved. Additionally, she has
discussed each module with Bruce Duncan over at Modcan to be *sure* she
isn't stepping on his toes either by producing something that he may have
been thinking about producing himself.

If you look back through the DIY or AH (don't remember which, sorry...)
archives, another member has seen the modules in production, and the care
she is taking in the quality is just short of fanatical. She's even using
the exact same panel manufacturer as Bruce to assure that the front panels
match Modcan exactly...

I've got a number of these on order already. I'll be posting reviews when I
get them...

Les


P.S. So how's that Cwejman synth working our for you there Elhardt?

RE: [motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by Tony Karavidas

Cynthia and I are in discussions on how this will get done, but
apparently she does contact each of the maufacturers. No problems
here...

Tony
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RE: [motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by John Loffink

This is no hoax.  Funny you should question that.  :-)
 
Assuming Cynthia gets some basic deliverable such as PCB and schematic
from the originator of the design, then there's nothing to prevent
repackaging these into new formats.  I've considered doing something
similar for the Patchell Diode WaveShaper board, but to be honest demand
has not warranted it.
John Loffink
jloffink@... 
 
I was milling through the Analog Heaven archives and noticed these
recent 
Modcan modules made by a 3rd party (Cynthia Webster) located here:

http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/~cynthia/modules.php

Assuming this is not a hoax, is it legal to grab a bunch of other
people's 
designs and manufacture your own modules for sale? I'm seeing Encore's
UEG 
here, Blacet, Ken Stone designs, MOTM/Korg triple resonator, etc. She
does give 
credit to those people. Maybe she coincidently got everybody's
permission (and 
schematics) at the same time. It seems odd. If it's legitimate I hope
all goes 
well for her. It's nice to know these modules are out there (if not a
hoax) 
should I ever end up with any Modcan stuff in the future.

-Elhardt
.

Re: [motm] Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by John Blacet

Cynthia asked me to take a look at her new website and I had the same
questions about the modules. She assured me that she had arrangements
with all the other manufacturers. I think that she will probably make
this clearer on her website to avoid this kind of misconception.

--
Regards,
--/////--
John Blacet
Blacet Research
http://www.blacet.com

Re: Is this Polite?

2002-10-20 by cyndustries

Hi Elhardt!

I found your use of the word "hoax" a little severe, 
but certainly do understand your concerns...

Yes, you can be assured that these modules 
are all very real. I've been working night and day
designing, soldering, and working with the anodizers 
and the machine shop to make these modules a reality!

While a couple of these modules are not yet fully 
developed, (which I've tried to indicate on the website)
many of  the original wave of (35) orders
actually start shipping out to customers this very week.
(The response from those who have seen them and
held them has been rather phenomenal). 

and Elhardt...
Of course I contacted everyone before doing this!
How silly!  In fact, I have bent over backwards to do the right thing 
in being as honest, polite, and politically correct as possible.

(There are close to (20) buttons on the site's pages for you to 
use in order to contact me, and yet you didn't even try asking me 
about any of this before posting to the whole group)?

Thank you though, this tells me to try to make all of this more 
much more clear in the future to visitors to the site

You'll find that I am about as honest, decent, and friendly a 
person as there is. At least I try my very best, (and as we all know 
sometimes in this world, that in itself can be a full-time job)!

After all of this I hope you actually ~liked~ what you saw LOL!
No hard feelings at all...

My very best wishes to you!

Cynthia Webster
www.cyndustries.com

Re: Is this legal?

2002-10-20 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

It's no hoax, and she did get the permission from those designers. Actually,
she also bought PCBs from them too, where available. All above the board.

Ken

>I was milling through the Analog Heaven archives and noticed these recent 
>Modcan modules made by a 3rd party (Cynthia Webster) located here:
>
>http://www.microtonalsynthesis.com/~cynthia/modules.php
>
>Assuming this is not a hoax, is it legal to grab a bunch of other people's 
>designs and manufacture your own modules for sale? I'm seeing Encore's UEG 
>here, Blacet, Ken Stone designs, MOTM/Korg triple resonator, etc. She does
give 
>credit to those people. Maybe she coincidently got everybody's permission (and 
>schematics) at the same time. It seems odd. If it's legitimate I hope all goes 
>well for her. It's nice to know these modules are out there (if not a hoax) 
>should I ever end up with any Modcan stuff in the future.
>
>-Elhardt
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone   sasami@...  
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: [motm] Re: Is this legal?

2002-10-21 by elhardt@att.net

Les Mizzell writes:
>>P.S. So how's that Cwejman synth working out for you there Elhardt?<<

About as well as the Sage is.

Cynthia writes:
>>Of course I contacted everyone before doing this!<<

Just to explain. It seemed strange that all of these modules seemed to appear 
out of nowhere with no mention from any of the other companies involved. When I 
noticed different switch placement on the UEG it seemed like you would have had 
to re-engineer the PCB and it therefore probably didn't come directly from 
Encore. Also, most of these other companies like Encore, Blacet, etc., sell 
directly to the customer, so it seemed odd to see a 3rd party get involved. 
Plus the graphics on the website look like they were straight off the Modcan 
site. These were just little red flags that went up. I just wanted to hear an 
explaination from the involved companies directly, and they mostly reside on 
the MOTM site. Now I see they were all secretly making deals unknown to the us, 
the public. But it's a nice surprise to have them all unleashed at once.

>>There are close to (20) buttons on the site's pages for you to use in order 
to contact me, and yet you didn't even try asking me about any of this before 
posting to the whole group?<<

I saw that you had prices so I figured you were taking orders. I was pretty 
sure it wasn't a hoax. I just wanted to cover myself so I wouldn't become the 
butt of a hoax myself.

>>After all of this I hope you actually ~liked~ what you saw LOL!<<

I loved what I saw. Before I went with MOTM, I came within inches of going with 
Modcan. Your modules plus recent additions from Modcan itself certainly make it 
an even more attractive synth to own.

-Elhardt

Psycho Shift Register in MOTM format (was: Is this legal?)

2002-10-21 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 9:35 AM +1000 10/21/02, sasami@... wrote:
>
>It's no hoax, and she did get the permission from those designers.
>>Actually, she also bought PCBs from them too, where available.
>All above the board.

Afaik, Synthesis Technology has not announced plans to release an analogue
shift register, and I apologize if I'm mistaken.

I emailed Cynthia and asked if there any plans to sell kits or PCB's for
other formats, similar to how Blacet sells "MOTM" versions of some of his
kits -- basically the PCB and board parts without the panel, pots, knobs,
and jacks.  She said she had no plans to release modules in other formats,
especially as kits.

The Psycho Shift Register looks interesting, and (9 jacks, 6 knobs, 1
switch) would fit into 2U of MOTM.  Has anyone besides Ken and Cynthia used
this module??  Is the PCB available??  Is there a Stooge panel??

THANX!! :)

Re: Psycho Shift Register in MOTM format (was: Is this legal?)

2002-10-22 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Afaik, Synthesis Technology has not announced plans to release an analogue
>shift register, and I apologize if I'm mistaken.

The ASR is my design.

>The Psycho Shift Register looks interesting, and (9 jacks, 6 knobs, 1
>switch) would fit into 2U of MOTM.  Has anyone besides Ken and Cynthia used
>this module??  Is the PCB available??  Is there a Stooge panel??

It is actually the combination of two PCBs, the Super Psycho Modulation
Source, and the ASR. Both boards were available, but currently I am out of
stock of the ASR. I have not done anything about Stooge panels at all. Those
of my designs that have made it to the Stooge/MOTM format have been handled
by those wanting to use them in their MOTM system. I on the other hand, had
to convert my MOTM modules to Moog format to use in my system.
 
Ken
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Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: [motm] Re: Psycho Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-22 by J. Larry Hendry

----- Original Message -----
> From: <media.nai@...>
> Has anyone put a CGS ASR behind a Stooge panel??
> I'm thinking two PCB's will fit, with ten jacks and no
>  knobs on 1U.

No one has ever requested a Stooge panel design for this from Dave and I.

> Do Larry brackets work without pots??

The stock brackets do not.  However, brackets can be made to mount from
jacks too.  I did a custom bracket once for someone that had a 1U panel with
16 jacks (not a multiple, but laid out like one).  I'm no longer in the
one-off custom business.  However, all you need to do is bend a piece of
metal, and drill the holes to match your front panel jack pattern.

22 gauge steel available at Lowes, Home depot, etc.

Larry

Re: [motm] Re: Psycho Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-22 by media.nai@rcn.com

>>Afaik, Synthesis Technology has not announced plans to release an analogue
>>shift register, and I apologize if I'm mistaken.
>
>The ASR is my design.

Yes, and thank you for your response.  I meant I wouldn't want to build an
ASR from a third-party if Paul was planning on releasing one.

>It is actually the combination of two PCBs, the Super Psycho Modulation
>Source, and the ASR. Both boards were available, but currently I am out of
>stock of the ASR.

Are you planning another run??

>Those of my designs that have made it to the Stooge/MOTM format have
>been handled by those wanting to use them in their MOTM system.

Which is why I asked here.  While there aren't any panels for your designs
listed on the wiseguysynth website, I still think this list was the best
place to ask if anyone converted the Psycho Shift Register to MOTM format.

However, now that I reread Cynthia's description, it seems that this is a
new combination of two separate designs with additional features of her
own.


So at this point it might be better for me to leave out the Psycho LFO.
Has anyone put a CGS ASR behind a Stooge panel??  I'm thinking two PCB's
will fit, with ten jacks and no knobs on 1U.

Do Larry brackets work without pots??


~~~

"what sets this version apart is that in this module it is combined with a
certain popular little quad LFO called The Psycho LFO which is also from
the lineage of the Australian Cat Girl Synth system.  While Ken Stone may
in fact be the Other Unicorn, I'm sure that he never imagined this kooky
combination of his clever critters! Of course the ASR and Quad LFO sections
can work independently... However when the "Link" switch is thrown, one of
the oscillators acts as a simple clock driving the Analog Shift Register,
while the other three are free to create the jumble of control voltages
that the register actually shifts!... an exclusive control voltage
'Modulation' input has a hand in adding more of your own animation to the
Monster. The unique 'Blend' and 'Character' controls are useful for
transforming the total output from something joyous to downright
disturbing!"

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by J. Larry Hendry

Actually, my cabinet builder just had several Walnuts cut from his property.
He is building a  solar drier right now.  I was there when the sawzall mill
was on site slicing them into 1" thick boards..  He has a stack of walnut 10
foot long, 6 foot wide, and 5 feet tall.  Much of it is 22 to 24 inches
across in width.  Maybe someday I will see some of that in a synth cabinet.
:)

Who wants to talk about their CG shift register and why someone might want
one?  How is it used (remember, I am not so modular savvy)?

Larry

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From: <media.nai@...>
"If you are thinking of building a cabinet from trees you cut down
yourself, you might be an MOTM user."

CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 1:05 PM -0500 10/22/02, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
>No one has ever requested a Stooge panel design for this from Dave and I.

Thanks for the information.

Then I guess I'll order a custom panel for the next round of Stooge panels.

Would anyone else be interested in this??  It will cost me less money if
several people order the same design.  Considering that each PCB only cost
$10 and it uses economical board parts and no pots, if several people order
panels, it will be a very economical way to add dual ASR's to our systems.
What do you say??

Otoh, based on my understanding of how things work over at Stooge
Industries, it might be more economical to add more functions and make it a
2U panel.  Any thoughts??

How about a collection of gates using Mickey Mouse Logic??  Then it would
be a "Cat and Mouse" module :)

>> Do Larry brackets work without pots??
>
>The stock brackets do not.  However, brackets can be made to mount from
>jacks too.  I did a custom bracket once for someone that had a 1U panel
>>with 16 jacks (not a multiple, but laid out like one).  I'm no longer
>in the one-off custom business.  However, all you need to do is bend a
>>piece of metal, and drill the holes to match your front panel jack
>pattern.
>
>22 gauge steel available at Lowes, Home depot, etc.

That sounds easy enough.

It's a good thing Paul started this synthesizer company so we can drill
metal and stuff :)


"If you are thinking of building a cabinet from trees you cut down
yourself, you might be an MOTM user."

CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by Kevin B.

I'd be very interested in going in on a Stooge panel for this.  But, I think 
it was mentioned that the PCBs were out of stock.  Hopefully, there will be 
more available by the time the next Stooge panel run.

Kevin








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Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by J. Larry Hendry

Thanks Ken.
That makes it very clear to me.  I have done this type of thing before with
delays.  Never thought of it this way.
Larry
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From: Tkacs, Ken <ken.tkacs@...>
To: MOTM Forum All <MOTM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: FW: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format



I've often thought that Paul should just take the S&H circuit out of the
'101, duplicate it three times, and pop it into a 1u module. Quick, easy,
minimal R&D. I guess it removes some of the functionality from the '101, but
how many noise sources do you really need in a system? Whereas S&H circuits
are useful.

The short answer to your question is the classic synthesizer "auto cannon"
where you put your pitch CV into the first of a series of S&H circuits and
the gate into the trigger input of each. Each drives a VCO. With every note
you play, VCO #1 plays that new note, while the last note is "handed down
the line" bucket brigade style to the other oscillators. It's kind of what's
happening in an analog delay chip on a macroscopic level.

If you play C-E-G-B-D-F#... etc., you will hear chords.

It sounds of limited use, but it's actually quite fun and you can start to
use it for other effects, especially if you add in a few differently-tuned
lag modules, use it for other than pitch control, etc.




-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]

Who wants to talk about their CG shift register and why someone might want
one?  How is it used (remember, I am not so modular savvy)?






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Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by Paul Schreiber

> >Who wants to talk about their CG shift register and why someone might want
> >one?  How is it used (remember, I am not so modular savvy)?
> 
> That's OK, I'm not so keyboard savvy.
> 
> Besides its primary function of delaying a string of control voltages, an
> ASR can do many of things you could do with a flip-flop or sample & hold.
> That's basically what is -- the clock input drives two flip-flops (digital
> shift registers) that cycle four sample & hold circuits.  So it combines a
> digital memory function with an analogue memory function.  It can be used
> to delay gates, play chords with a step sequencer, decimate audio, perform
> various logic functions, etc.
>


Err....Think MOTM 500 Rhythm Wheel :)

Paul S.

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 10:29 AM -0500 10/23/02, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
>Who wants to talk about their CG shift register and why someone might want
>one?  How is it used (remember, I am not so modular savvy)?

That's OK, I'm not so keyboard savvy.

Besides its primary function of delaying a string of control voltages, an
ASR can do many of things you could do with a flip-flop or sample & hold.
That's basically what is -- the clock input drives two flip-flops (digital
shift registers) that cycle four sample & hold circuits.  So it combines a
digital memory function with an analogue memory function.  It can be used
to delay gates, play chords with a step sequencer, decimate audio, perform
various logic functions, etc.

~~~

Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:31:08 -0500
To: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
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At 1:09 AM -0600 02/01/02, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>
>   I am still a modular use idiot.   Someone explain to me how you
>would use something like this.  The term  analog shift register is
>not even in my pea-brained modular  vocabulary.   Thanks, Larry (who
>spends >too much time working on stuff  instead of playing with it)  

Then you'll be able to excuse my half-assed description :)

You know how a BBD delays audio by passing along a sampled voltage with
each pulse of clock??  Well, afaik, an analogue shift register is like a
BBD but with a separate output for each bucket.

For example, let's say there is an ASR with three stages, three outputs, a
clock input, and a changing voltage at the voltage input (let's say an LFO
run through a quantizer).

CLOCK IN
CV IN
CV A OUT
CV B OUT
CV C OUT

When the clock pulses, the input voltage is sampled and held at output A,
the voltage previously held at output A is handed over to output B, the
voltage previously held at output B is handed over to output C, and the
voltage previously held at output C is lost as it's replaced by B.  So if
you have each output (A, B, and C) controlling three VCO's in a row, each
plays the note played by the previous VCO.

If you want to go for Baroque, you can play a melody on a monophonic
keyboard or single-channel sequencer, with the voltage going the ASR's CV
input and the trigger/gate going into the clock input.  With each VCO tuned
to a different interval (perhaps with a JH-822 :) it will play the
transposed melody one note later.  Notice that you can modulate the key of
each voice by changing the offset voltage.  Also, if the input to the ASR
is noise, the random sequence will repeat while maintaining the musical
relationship between the VCO's, or could be repeated by a different patch.
You can also ignore one of the outputs so it plays the VCO two notes later,
use it as a delayed sample and hold, or use it to control the input to
three LFO's clocking three sequencers, etc.

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by groovyshaman@snet.net

First off, good point Ken about a separate MOTM S&H module.

I think a few of these ASRs would be great fun!  Don't forget that two or
more could be chained together for even longer "sequences".  Think of the
fun you could have with two ASRs and two UEGs.  You could set one up UEG for
8 stages and the other for say 3, both clocked by the same LFO.  The LFO
would also clock one ASR, while the trig-out of the 3-stage UEG would clock
other ASR (*).  The signal-out of the 8-stage UEG goes into both ASRs, which
would drive VCOs.  Way cool evolving rhythmic chords... add a little
reverb... think Robert Rich/Steve Roach!

Hmm...sounds like a Rhythm Wheel?! ;)

George

(*) Caveat: I don't have a UEG yet, so I'm not sure if it will put out a
trig at the end of sequences shorter than 8 stages.  I was just looking to
use it as a divide-by-3 pulse divider here and would prefer the use of an
actual pulse divider module.  nudge..nudge.. :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Tkacs, Ken <ken.tkacs@...>
To: MOTM Forum All <MOTM@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: FW: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format


>
> I've often thought that Paul should just take the S&H circuit out of the
> '101, duplicate it three times, and pop it into a 1u module. Quick, easy,
> minimal R&D. I guess it removes some of the functionality from the '101,
but
> how many noise sources do you really need in a system? Whereas S&H
circuits
> are useful.
>
> The short answer to your question is the classic synthesizer "auto cannon"
> where you put your pitch CV into the first of a series of S&H circuits and
> the gate into the trigger input of each. Each drives a VCO. With every
note
> you play, VCO #1 plays that new note, while the last note is "handed down
> the line" bucket brigade style to the other oscillators. It's kind of
what's
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> happening in an analog delay chip on a macroscopic level.
>
> If you play C-E-G-B-D-F#... etc., you will hear chords.
>
> It sounds of limited use, but it's actually quite fun and you can start to
> use it for other effects, especially if you add in a few differently-tuned
> lag modules, use it for other than pitch control, etc.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
>
> Who wants to talk about their CG shift register and why someone might want
> one?  How is it used (remember, I am not so modular savvy)?

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by media.nai@rcn.com

>If you play C-E-G-B-D-F#... etc., you will hear chords.

Right, and you can also load chords into an ASR using a monophonic
sequencer and pulse divider -- the envelope for the VCA is triggered once
for every group of notes.

Btw, Ken says he is planning another run in a month or so.

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by robert taylor

I'd be very interested in going in on a couple Stooge panels for this.�� 2U "Cat and Mouse" modules!

Then I guess I'll order a custom panel for the next round of Stooge panels.
Would anyone else be interested in this??� It will cost me less money if several people order the same design.� Considering that each PCB only cost $10 and it uses economical board parts and no pots, if several people order panels, it will be a very economical way to add dual ASR's to our systems.
What do you say??

Otoh, based on my understanding of how things work over at Stooge Industries, it might be more economical to add more functions and make it a 2U panel.� Any thoughts??

How about a collection of gates using Mickey Mouse Logic??�

Then it would be a "Cat and Mouse" module :)


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RE: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-23 by noisejazz

Or is it something like this
http://www.mkv.mh.se/staff/per/diy/MOTM4USEQ_2.gif
Not keen on circular designs for modulars myself
More of a straight lines kinda guy :-)
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Sent: 23 October 2002 23:06
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format
 
>From: Paul Schreiber 
>Err....Think MOTM 500 Rhythm Wheel :) 
> 
>Paul S. 
The name of this thing makes me think of the Raymond Scott Circle
Machine.  
http://raymondscott.com/circle.html
I'm sure it's nothing like that though.  
Kevin


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RE: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-24 by media.nai@rcn.com

>Or is it something like this
>
>http://www.mkv.mh.se/staff/per/diy/MOTM4USEQ_2.gif

What the @#$%&* is that?!?!


>>Err....Think MOTM 500 Rhythm Wheel :)

*trying to think but nothing is happening*  :)


I would not want to enable an MOTM conversion that might compete with a
genuine Synthesis Technology module. However, since I have absolutely no
idea what the "Rhythm Wheel" does, it's hard for me to make the right
decision.

Nor can I speak for the Stooges.

Anyway, based on emails I have received, the consensus seems to be for a 2U
Stooge panel with two CGS ASR PCB's with various logic functions to fill up
the extra space.  Using Mickey Mouse logic was a bit of a joke -- although
it would work, it wouldn't be the most efficient circuit.  Regardless, if
the logic functions were added, going in on a bunch of panels would also
require going in on a bunch of PCB's.  That makes things much more
complicated!!

Also, since Larry is no longer in the "custom bracket business", anyone
interested might have to make their own  mounting brackets.


Btw, how many rows of four labeled jacks fit comfortably on 2U??

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-24 by J. Larry Hendry

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <media.nai@...>
I would not want to enable an MOTM conversion that might compete with a
genuine Synthesis Technology module. However, since I have absolutely no
idea what the "Rhythm Wheel" does, it's hard for me to make the right
decision.

Paul, can you take some of the mystery of of this for us?

> Nor can I speak for the Stooges.

Stooges officially run things past Paul these days to avoid any conflict
with the unknown.  Still items that are too far down the road to predict or
"significantly" different (read: as not to potentially cut into new MOTM
release sales) may still be candidates. Paul has enough competition these
days without worrying about a bunch of Stooges.  Fortunately, some of the
competition makes some cool stuff too.

> Btw, how many rows of four labeled jacks fit comfortably on 2U??

8 high x 4 wide = 32 in my opinion

Larry

Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format

2002-10-25 by groovyshaman@snet.net

Holy shift batman!

George
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>; J. Larry Hendry <jlarryh@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] CatGirl Analogue Shift Register in MOTM format


> One mode of operation of the R. Wheel is a *64-tap* ASR with
voltage-controlled everything. And 8
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> of these running at once :)
>
> Paul S.