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unpainted edges

2002-03-30 by Joe Pavone

once again i recently heard someone state that the motm modules were too 
difficult to distiguish because of the lack of some sort of border 
around each module. has anyone ever tried or considered polishing the 
paint off the edges of your panels to make that border?

perhaps i will experement with a few diy motm panels i have (since they 
are imperfect to begin with). taking just a bit off the corner so that 
just a hairline of bare aluminum shows.

i know other methods of edging have been discussed, but i am not sure if 
we ever considered paint removal?

sounds radical, but if done with care....

...jp

Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-03-30 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 8:11 AM -0500 03/30/02, Joe Pavone wrote:
>
>once again i recently heard someone state that the motm modules were too
>difficult to distiguish because of the lack of some sort of border
>around each module.

Let me take a wild guess, that person was Mike Peake AH.  He has never
owned any MOTM, so how would he know??  I have never heard anyone who
actually uses MOTM say that they have any trouble distinguishing between
modules.  Nor have a heard anyone else besides Mike Peake make such an
absurd comment.

>has anyone ever tried or considered polishing the
>paint off the edges of your panels to make that border?

I certainly hope not.  While I severely doubt that you will have any sort
of problem, perhaps you could try using silver screws to make the
separation between modules more obvious.

Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-03-30 by mate_stubb

>>>>
>once again i recently heard someone state that the motm modules were 
too
>difficult to distiguish because of the lack of some sort of border
>around each module.

Let me take a wild guess, that person was Mike Peake AH. He has never
owned any MOTM, so how would he know?? I have never heard anyone who
actually uses MOTM say that they have any trouble distinguishing 
between modules. Nor have a heard anyone else besides Mike Peake make 
such an absurd comment.
<<<<

Well, actually...

While I dismiss most of our psychic buddy's vitriolic rhetoric, it 
never hurts to talk rationally about synth UI (and it's a subject 
near and dear to me, so excuse me while I blab awhile.) Just so that 
everybody knows what my tastes are, my two favorite modular synth UIs 
are CMS and E-MU, in that order.

I am one of those people who DO get lost in a sea of knobs. It's not 
so bad if you are rack mounting and have maybe 5 or 6 modules across, 
but it gets much harder to distinguish what you are looking at in a 
wide case. One of the first things I did when I built my first 
cabinet, way back before the Synth of Doom case, was to experiment 
with white art tape on the borders of my modules. Although it was 
kind of tacky, and it was hard to get the tape applied in a strictly 
straight line, the effect on 'module recognizability' in a system was 
immediate and dramatic. I still hope to come up with a universal 
solution for this problem. Various things have been talked about on 
this list such as slip-on plastic or metal edging, but nobody has 
found an ideal solution yet. Several people (Elhardt and Fulton, for 
instance) use multicolored or white tape. To see a pic of the corner 
of my old system with the edges taped, look here:

http://www.hotrodmotm.com/images/3StoogesMOTM.jpg

While edge separators is one way to go, the most elegant solution is 
offered by CMS, which prints block diagram graphics on the front 
panel with graphic lines directly to the input and output jacks - 
very ARP 2600-like. Unfortunately, it looks like Phil Cirocco has let 
his website lapse, so I don't have a link to point you to. I DO have 
a pdf CMS catalog, if anybody really wants to look at these beautiful 
panels.

I believe that Paul has stated in the past that he was prevented from 
doing edge stripes when he started MOTM by the limitations of the 
technology or skill of his screen printer. Every product requires a 
series of trade-off decisions about quality vs. cost - in the MOTM 
case, Paul chose to concentrate on the circuit side, and keep the 
modules affordable by going with painted instead of anodized panels. 
I think it was the right decision, but I also think that adding edge 
graphics is the ONE thing that would make it much better.

It's too late for Paul to change even if a new solution could be 
found, however - there are 3k modules out there already. So it's up 
to us to come up with a retrofittable solution.

>has anyone ever tried or considered polishing the
>paint off the edges of your panels to make that border?

This has been mentioned by at least one other person, but I don't 
think they ever tried it out. The thing that keeps me from doing this 
is that it would make my modules hard to sell to anyone else, unless 
we can convince everybody to do it!

Moe

RE: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-03-30 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)

Wouldn't baring the aluminum make the module more suseptible to rust?

--PBr
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From: mate_stubb [mailto:mate_stubb@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:28 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] unpainted edges


>has anyone ever tried or considered polishing the
>paint off the edges of your panels to make that border?

This has been mentioned by at least one other person, but I don't 
think they ever tried it out. The thing that keeps me from doing this 
is that it would make my modules hard to sell to anyone else, unless 
we can convince everybody to do it!

RE: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-03-30 by VCOVCAVCF

Rust applies to iron oxidizing.

Aluminum does form an oxidation layer of aluminum
oxide (alumina).  But unlike iron oxide (rust), this
initial layer of aluminum oxide quickly forms a
protective barrier which prevents further oxidation.

To prevent any oxidation, you could apply a thin layer
of polyurethane (or similar clear coating) to the
exposed areas.

But think about the last time you saw a (white) layer
of oxidation on aluminum...  So my recommendation is
to not worry about the minimal oxidation layer.  Well,
my ultimate recommentation is to not disturb the
beautiful MOTM (or Stooge) paint in the first place. 
If I would have wanted a M**g, I would have bought one
to begin with.

jeph

--- "Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)" <noise@...>
wrote:
> Wouldn't baring the aluminum make the module more
> suseptible to rust?


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some Dark Star Chaos mods

2002-03-30 by Scott Juskiw

I've just finished building a couple of Blacet Dark Star Chaos 
modules with Stooge front panels. Below are the details of some 
simple mods I made to them (in addition to the three Dave B. mods at 
http://www.hotrodmotm.com/ds_mods.htm). If you're building a DSC, or 
have already built one, these mods may be of interest to you.

1. I used a green Lumex LED rather than the one supplied with the DSC 
kit. It seemed a bit dim compared to my other modules. I changed R43 
from 1K to 330 ohm to get the brightness up to spec. (Keeners will 
note that this is the same value used in the MOTM-700 module to drive 
a green Lumex LED off a 5 volt source, same as the DSC.)

2. I made the "Continuously gate the Dark Star ON" mod but noticed 
that it rendered the Gate pushbutton useless. With nothing plugged 
into the Gate jack, the gate is always high so the Gate pushbutton 
has no effect (no problem there). However, with a signal plugged into 
the Gate jack, pressing the Gate pushbutton still has no effect if 
the signal driving the Gate jack is low (0 volts or negative). I want 
to be able to manually trigger the DSC by pressing the Gate 
pushbutton no matter what voltage is applied to the Gate jack. 
Fortunately, the solution is simply to add a diode (1N4148 or 
similar) in series between the Gate  jack and J5 on the PCB (anode at 
the Gate jack):

Gate jack --->|--- J5

Without this diode, the voltage appearing at pin 9 of U7 is (roughly) 
the midpoint between +5 volts and the voltage at the Gate input when 
the Gate pushbutton is pressed. Adding this diode blocks the effect 
of any low voltage on the Gate jack so that pressing the Gate 
pushbutton will still drive pin 9 of U7 high even when the signal at 
the Gate jack is low.

RE: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-01 by Les Mizzell

I like the Ken Stone infamous "Cat Girl Synth" approach the best:

http://198.164.142.50/~cgs/

Heh.....

Les Mizzell

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"Did you ever walk into a room 
and forget why you walked in? 
I think that's how dogs spend 
their lives." -- Sue Murphy 
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Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-01 by media.nai@rcn.com

At 6:28 PM +0000 03/30/02, mate_stubb wrote:
>
>While I dismiss most of our psychic buddy's vitriolic rhetoric,

I would certainly hope so!!

>it never hurts to talk rationally about synth UI (and it's a subject
>near and dear to me, so excuse me while I blab awhile.) Just so that
>everybody knows what my tastes are, my two favorite modular synth UIs
>are CMS and E-MU, in that order.

OK :)

>I am one of those people who DO get lost in a sea of knobs.

Really??  Considering the size of the knobs and the clarity of their
labeling, I find that hard to believe.  Perhaps you could benefit from
better lighting.  Surely, MOTM is much easier to navigate than any large
console.  Different modules have different numbers of knobs, jacks, and
switches.

Or was this an early April Fool's joke??  :)

>It's not so bad if you are rack mounting and have maybe 5 or 6 modules
>>across, but it gets much harder to distinguish what you are looking
>at in a wide case.

That certainly makes sense.  When the modules become available (*cough*), I
plan on having only 30U of modules in 15U of rack space.

>I believe that Paul has stated in the past that he was prevented from
>doing edge stripes when he started MOTM by the limitations of the
>technology or skill of his screen printer. Every product requires a
>series of trade-off decisions about quality vs. cost - in the MOTM
>case, Paul chose to concentrate on the circuit side, and keep the
>modules affordable by going with painted instead of anodized panels.
>I think it was the right decision, but I also think that adding edge
>graphics is the ONE thing that would make it much better.

How about painting the naked edges (the sides not the front) of each module
with white fluorescent paint, then putting a black light inside the
cabinet?? :)

>It's too late for Paul to change even if a new solution could be
>found, however - there are 3k modules out there already. So it's up
>to us to come up with a retrofittable solution.

You could also glue strips to the sides.

>>has anyone ever tried or considered polishing the
>>paint off the edges of your panels to make that border?
>
>This has been mentioned by at least one other person, but I don't
>think they ever tried it out. The thing that keeps me from doing this
>is that it would make my modules hard to sell to anyone else, unless
>we can convince everybody to do it!

That's not going to happen :)

Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-01 by J. Larry Hendry

OK OK... I have neard enough. This is another opportunity for Stooge Panels,
Inc to step in and offer up a solution.  starting with the next panel run,
you will be able to order replacement panels for your regular MOTM panels.
Instead of that dull sea of black, panels will now be available in a rainbow
of colors.  So, you can make your VCOs, blue, EGs, red, filters green, or
whatever.  I am working on a selection of colors to choose from right now
with the Sherwin Williams guy (got to use that tough Polane paint).
Whatever suits your own personal taste.  No longer will you suffer though
bland professional looking module faces.  Just to spice it up a littel bit,
the font type will be changed to wingdings.  And, in case you are thinking I
am one crazy Stooge right now, I say, "April fools."

Stooge Larry

Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-01 by J. Larry Hendry

nuck nuck
LH
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tkacs, Ken <ken.tkacs@...>
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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:32 AM
Subject: FW: [motm] unpainted edges



I was wondering who was going to break the ice!

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...] 
... right now, I say, "April fools."




 

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RE: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-01 by Alan Wagner

LH- In case you are thinking I
am one crazy Stooge right now, I say, "April fools.

AW- Damn! Now what am I supposed to do with my Red MOTM 310?

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:33 AM
To: MOTM List
Subject: Re: [motm] unpainted edges

OK OK... I have neard enough. This is another opportunity for Stooge Panels,
Inc to step in and offer up a solution. starting with the next panel run,
you will be able to order replacement panels for your regular MOTM panels.
Instead of that dull sea of black, panels will now be available in a rainbow
of colors. So, you can make your VCOs, blue, EGs, red, filters green, or
whatever. I am working on a selection of colors to choose from right now
with the Sherwin Williams guy (got to use that tough Polane paint).
Whatever suits your own personal taste. No longer will you suffer though
bland professional looking module faces. Just to spice it up a littel bit,
the font type will be changed to wingdings. And, in case you are thinking I
am one crazy Stooge right now, I say, "April fools."

Stooge Larry



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Re: [motm] unpainted edges

2002-04-02 by Adam Schabtach

> I am one of those people who DO get lost in a sea of knobs.

Meanwhile, some of us are still dreaming of the sea of knobs in which to
become lost...

--Adam
(who built his first MOTM module yesterday!)

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