MOTM

A performance controller is on my list of stuff to do. There's even a 
place on the Hot Rod site for a later page. Mine will be a slim wedge 
to sit on top of a CV keyboard, with momentary and latched gate 
switches, joysticks with attenuators, cv outputs with attenuators, 
and something exotic like a ribbon or maybe capacitance touch plates. 
Use a multiconnector cable to carry power and outputs to a panel, and 
you're there!

Moe

http://www.hotrodmotm.com

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> Larry, I don't follow your stooginess about the -15V
> power and its ramifications. Help?

Summing op amps invert. So, unless you want to follow it with another 
amp
to get it back positve. Of course, all that goes to heck because the
incoming CV gets inverted too. So, it was a good thought, but may not 
be
worth a darn int he final conception.

Cable between the box and panel gets a whole lot more simple if the 
incoming
CV attenuators are on the panel as I see it. :) But, then I am only a
Stooge and must insert standard disclaimer.

Come on, Paul, do it for us!  The official MOTM Controller!  No 
stupid MIDI glitchy zippery dumb boxes for us, we want a real analog 
CV source.  Sure, you could make it a sequencer, or a keyboard, or 
any of a number of things, but make it pretty simple, and hte other 
stuff could follow in any of a number of ways.  This is a MODULAR!  
We don't need inputs, we have a mixer module!

Oh, and wood sides would be nice.  =]

-Geoff
--- In motm@y..., "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> > Larry, I don't follow your stooginess about the -15V
> >  power and its ramifications.  Help?
> 
> Summing op amps invert.  So, unless you want to follow it with 
another amp
> to get it back positve.  Of course, all that goes to heck because 
the
> incoming CV gets inverted too.  So, it was a good thought, but may 
not be
> worth a darn int he final conception.
> 
> Cable between the box and panel gets a whole lot more simple if the 
incoming
> CV attenuators are on the panel as I see it. :)  But, then I am 
only a

> Stooge and must insert standard disclaimer.
> 
> Larry

Sounds like a *perfect* Encore product! BUT....Tony needs that Expressionist 2 AND I WANT MY
FREQ. SHIFTER NOW!!!

Paul S.
shoe on the other foot

----- Original Message -----

From: "sucrosemusic" <sucrosemusic@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:16 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: MIDI Boxes? Naw. CV Controllers!


> Come on, Paul, do it for us!  The official MOTM Controller!  No
> stupid MIDI glitchy zippery dumb boxes for us, we want a real analog
> CV source.  Sure, you could make it a sequencer, or a keyboard, or
> any of a number of things, but make it pretty simple, and hte other
> stuff could follow in any of a number of ways.  This is a MODULAR!
> We don't need inputs, we have a mixer module!
>
> Oh, and wood sides would be nice.  =]
>
> -Geoff
> --- In motm@y..., "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> > > Larry, I don't follow your stooginess about the -15V
> > >  power and its ramifications.  Help?
> >
> > Summing op amps invert.  So, unless you want to follow it with
> another amp
> > to get it back positve.  Of course, all that goes to heck because
> the
> > incoming CV gets inverted too.  So, it was a good thought, but may
> not be
> > worth a darn int he final conception.
> >
> > Cable between the box and panel gets a whole lot more simple if the
> incoming
> > CV attenuators are on the panel as I see it. :)  But, then I am
> only a
> > Stooge and must insert standard disclaimer.
> >
> > Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Weird, I posted that message a few days ago.  Told ya this list was 
being goofy.  Anyway, does our friend from Encore still frequent this 
list?

--- In motm@y..., "sucrosemusic" <sucrosemusic@y...> wrote:
> Come on, Paul, do it for us!  The official MOTM Controller!  No 
> stupid MIDI glitchy zippery dumb boxes for us, we want a real 
analog 
> CV source.  Sure, you could make it a sequencer, or a keyboard, or 
> any of a number of things, but make it pretty simple, and hte other 
> stuff could follow in any of a number of ways.  This is a MODULAR!  
> We don't need inputs, we have a mixer module!
> 
> Oh, and wood sides would be nice.  =]
> 
> -Geoff
> --- In motm@y..., "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> > > Larry, I don't follow your stooginess about the -15V
> > >  power and its ramifications.  Help?
> > 
> > Summing op amps invert.  So, unless you want to follow it with 
> another amp
> > to get it back positve.  Of course, all that goes to heck because 
> the
> > incoming CV gets inverted too.  So, it was a good thought, but 
may 
> not be
> > worth a darn int he final conception.
> > 
> > Cable between the box and panel gets a whole lot more simple if 
the 

> incoming
> > CV attenuators are on the panel as I see it. :)  But, then I am 
> only a
> > Stooge and must insert standard disclaimer.
> > 
> > Larry

Yes I see it every day, but I'm so buried in work, I have little time to
write.
When I first saw the thread about an analog controller, I was thinking: Uhh,
sounds like a pot (or two or more) to me. Why would anyone build a box of
pots? There are many ways to get "unzippered" control from MIDI. It's just
that no one is doing it. NRPNs have a 14 bit message. if you use a 12 bit
A/D and pass that through a 14 bit NRPN and D/A it again, I bet no one can
here that in a hand controlled pot. Hmmm, sounds like a feature to add to
Expressionist 2.

Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sucrosemusic [mailto:sucrosemusic@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 9:08 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: MIDI Boxes... (ENCORE?)
>
>
> Weird, I posted that message a few days ago.  Told ya this list was
> being goofy.  Anyway, does our friend from Encore still frequent this
> list?
>
> --- In motm@y..., "sucrosemusic" <sucrosemusic@y...> wrote:
> > Come on, Paul, do it for us!  The official MOTM Controller!  No
> > stupid MIDI glitchy zippery dumb boxes for us, we want a real
> analog
> > CV source.  Sure, you could make it a sequencer, or a keyboard, or
> > any of a number of things, but make it pretty simple, and hte other
> > stuff could follow in any of a number of ways.  This is a MODULAR!
> > We don't need inputs, we have a mixer module!
> >
> > Oh, and wood sides would be nice.  =]
> >
> > -Geoff
> > --- In motm@y..., "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) <noise@A...>
> > > > Larry, I don't follow your stooginess about the -15V
> > > >  power and its ramifications.  Help?
> > >
> > > Summing op amps invert.  So, unless you want to follow it with
> > another amp
> > > to get it back positve.  Of course, all that goes to heck because
> > the
> > > incoming CV gets inverted too.  So, it was a good thought, but
> may
> > not be
> > > worth a darn int he final conception.
> > >
> > > Cable between the box and panel gets a whole lot more simple if
> the
> > incoming
> > > CV attenuators are on the panel as I see it. :)  But, then I am
> > only a
> > > Stooge and must insert standard disclaimer.
> > >
> > > Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

> Uhh, sounds like a pot (or two or more) to me.
> Why would anyone build a box of pots? There
> are many ways to get "unzippered" control from MIDI.

I think part of what many of us are after is the "immediacy" of a VC
Controller as opposed to a MIDI controller.

If I want the X axis of a joystick to control a filter and the Y axis to
control LFO rate, I just want to plug in the patch cords and go. I don't
want to have to worry about configuring a MIDI box to receive the correct
controller number and route that to a particular output and then to the
filter. By the time I've gotten that straight, I've probably forgotten why I
wanted to patch it that way in the first place.

For myself, I'm trying to come up a controller that would have 2 wheels, a
joystick and a short ribbon (6 to 8 inches) with attenuation (+ or -) on all
outputs. Give me that along with a keyboard that has low/high/last note
priority, plus single or multiple trigger/gate options, and I'm ready to
go...

Les Mizzell

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