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> Here are some shots from the booth at last year's NAMM and scans of the brochure showing the

> MOTM modules/prices. Note these aren't on the site, and won't be until Feb. 10th. Need time to

> into production.
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> Thanks for supporting the MOTM family, and analog in general.
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> www.synthtech.com/namm
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> Paul Schreiber
> Synthesis Technology
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:45 AM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] more NAMM poop
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> Jeepers Tony. You have been keeping secrets. Frequency shifter... Cool.
> And, MOTM panel format MIDI-2-CV. Hey. I think there might be a
> market for
> that. <snicker> You are teasing us. when you get back, you have to give
> us details. When can we order. <big grin>
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> Let see. This MOTM format is becoming quite popular.
>
> 1 - MOTM - father of the format
> 2 - Encore - UEG and now more
> 3 - Oakley - more PCBs coming every day
> 4 - Blacet - well he hasn't caught on completely, but the Stooges have
> (we love your stuff John)
> 5 - JLH octave and interval shifters
> 6 - Super Moe someday ??
>
> Somebody has to release a sequencer. Super Moe looks great.
> But, will Moe
> actually be selling any? How many of use will be smart enough to use it?
> How many of us will have that much space available in our
> cabinets / racks?
> Larry H
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Karavidas <tony@...>
> To: MOTM listserv <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop
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> Come see these at NAMM. (That's all I'm saying) One's working and
> one isn't.
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> http://www.encoreelectronics.com/prenamm2002s.jpg
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> Tony Karavidas
> Encore Electronics
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> 1997
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Karavidas <tony@...>
To: MOTM listserv <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:21 AM
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop


Come see these at NAMM. (That's all I'm saying) One's working and one isn't.

http://www.encoreelectronics.com/prenamm2002s.jpg



Tony Karavidas
Encore Electronics

http://www.EncoreElectronics.com

Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct.
1997





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>The Freq Shifter was designed by Chris MacDonald; I think most of you know
>who he is by now.

>I've been busy all year on the
>Midiman SurfaceOne. (I think it will demo well this week)

>Price on both items is TBD, but they are looking something like this:
>
>Frequency shifter: $389

>Expressionist 2: $499

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark@... [mailto:mark@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: Tony Karavidas
> Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop
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> >The Freq Shifter was designed by Chris MacDonald; I think most
> of you know
> >who he is by now.
>
> I have no idea. Didn't he have a farm??
>
> >I've been busy all year on the
> >Midiman SurfaceOne. (I think it will demo well this week)
>
> It's already in the Sweetwater Catalog -- it looks a bit like a little
> Thunder, very cute.
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> >Price on both items is TBD, but they are looking something like this:
> >
> >Frequency shifter: $389
>
> Is it digital?? In other words, how can you sell an analogue frequency
> shifter that doesn't completely suck for only $389?!?
>
> DACS Freque2 $1200 (exists, in stock and shipping)
> Moog CE $1800 (vaporware, no one has actually seen one)
>
> (To think, I've been asking manufacturers questions like this for over 20
> years and not one of them has ever tried to have me killed :)
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> >Expressionist 2: $499
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> More VCO channels, and less money than a Pro4!!
>
>
> I think Tony must be getting his parts for free or something :)
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>That was OLD MacDonald (his dad!)

>Chris MacDonald is the guy that designed the MiniModular.

>No it't not digital. It's PURE analog. There is some cost cutting to get it
>to that price. The biggest thing is that it isn't a "through zero" type of
>shifter. I've heard both, in fact Chris has a proto of each and I thought
>for the extra trouble and cost it wasn't worth it. There are plenty of
>expensive frequency shifters out there.

>The other "economical" shifters don't have near the performance. For
>>instance, there is German frequency shifters that only goes down to 50Hz.

>Mine (Chris') is about .05Hz.

>With a super slow shift, you get these neat continually rising sort of
>effect from the audio.

>Everyone is free to comment on all of this stuff. I'm listening.

> Analogue Systems recently announced a frequency shifter. You have to
> buy their chassis to mount and power it, so in that regard it is not

> Analogue Systems recently announced a frequency shifter.

> > Analogue Systems recently announced a frequency shifter. You have to
> > buy their chassis to mount and power it, so in that regard it is not
> unlike > the Serge. It is a "clone" of the Moog/Bode 1630, and afaik
> > no one has everseen one. So it is also quite similar to the vaporous
> > Moog CE -- wondering how much it costs is like asking how many angels
> > can dance onthe head of a pin.
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>
> Rubbish! I had one here for a few weeks and it was fantastic!
> I will put some photos up.
> It has now gone back to its owner.

>
>It is a "clone" of the Moog/Bode 1630, and afaik no
>one has ever seen one.
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>Rubbish! I had one here for a few weeks and it was fantastic!
>I will put some photos up.
>It has now gone back to its owner.

----- Original Message -----
From: <keithw@...>
...and while I am at it, here is a pic of my large modular:
http://home.freeuk.net/bandpass/bigsynth1.jpg
Lots of work still to do and seven more panels due from Schaeffer!
I think I will need to build some more cabinet rows!

Yep, lots of unfinished work there on those stooge panels. :)
Larry

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> Yep, lots of unfinished work there on those stooge panels. :)
> Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:15 AM
To: 'Tony Karavidas'; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Frequency shifter? Yes!!!! Shifts through zero? Calibrated 1V/oct input? If so then this is a great price.

Bigger knobs on this one please. An oversized one for Manual Shift would not be out of place.

John Loffink
jloffink@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:09 AM
To: J. Larry Hendry; MOTM List
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

I've been busy, that's for sure.

The Freq Shifter was designed by Chris MacDonald; I think most of you know
who he is by now. I'm going to get my hands in it before it ships, but it's
mostly his baby.

The MIDI-CV is my answer to retiring the first Expressionist. It's going to
have more features and a slightly different topology. The 12 jacks are ALL
CVs, but the vertical line indicates a "pairing up" of channels when used as
conventional CV/Gate pairs. As you can see this one is 12 CV channels or 6
CV/Gate pairs. Not quite as big as the original Expressionist, but more
flexible in other ways.

I'm still going to update the original Expressionist code as planned, but
this development will occur at the same time. I know Dave B (among others)
has been VERY patient.

I have NO code in the Expressionist 2 yet. I've been busy all year on the
Midiman SurfaceOne. (I think it will demo well this week)

Price on both items is TBD, but they are looking something like this:

Frequency shifter: $389
Expressionist 2: $499

Come on by and say "hi!"

Tony Karavidas
Encore Electronics

http://www.EncoreElectronics.com

Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct.
1997





> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:45 AM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] more NAMM poop
>
>
> Jeepers Tony. You have been keeping secrets. Frequency shifter... Cool.
> And, MOTM panel format MIDI-2-CV. Hey. I think there might be a
> market for
> that. <snicker> You are teasing us. when you get back, you have to give
> us details. When can we order. <big grin>
>
> Let see. This MOTM format is becoming quite popular.
>
> 1 - MOTM - father of the format
> 2 - Encore - UEG and now more
> 3 - Oakley - more PCBs coming every day
> 4 - Blacet - well he hasn't caught on completely, but the Stooges have
> (we love your stuff John)
> 5 - JLH octave and interval shifters
> 6 - Super Moe someday ??
>
> Somebody has to release a sequencer. Super Moe looks great.
> But, will Moe
> actually be selling any? How many of use will be smart enough to use it?
> How many of us will have that much space available in our
> cabinets / racks?
> Larry H
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tony Karavidas <tony@...>
> To: MOTM listserv <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop
>
>
> Come see these at NAMM. (That's all I'm saying) One's working and
> one isn't.
>
> http://www.encoreelectronics.com/prenamm2002s.jpg
>
>
>
> Tony Karavidas
> Encore Electronics
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> http://www.EncoreElectronics.com
>
> Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct.
> 1997
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> The FS shown at NAMM is neither of those things, but one change that is
> being considered is having the local oscillator change from analog to
> digital, and this would cost effectively provide both features, and
> a wider range of shift. (Especially at the slower end) The multipliers
> would still be fully analog and so would the entire audio path. The
> price wouldn't change, but the ship date would slip. I think it
> would be a better product overall, but maybe other's would disagree.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:46 PM
To: John Loffink; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Sorry for the huge delay replying to this. I've been really sick for over a week now.

The FS shown at NAMM is neither of those things, but one change that is being considered is having the local oscillator change from analog to digital, and this would cost effectively provide both features, and a wider range of shift. (Especially at the slower end) The multipliers would still be fully analog and so would the entire audio path. The price wouldn't change, but the ship date would slip. I think it would be a better product overall, but maybe other's would disagree.

Now's the time to speak up. Everyone I mentioned it to at NAMM thought it was a great idea.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:15 AM
To: 'Tony Karavidas'; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Frequency shifter? Yes!!!! Shifts through zero? Calibrated 1V/oct input? If so then this is a great price.

Bigger knobs on this one please. An oversized one for Manual Shift would not be out of place.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brousseau, Paul E (Paul) [mailto:noise@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:06 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Hm? You're saying it's not calibrated for 1V/oct?

When you say a digital oscilator, what exactly do you mean? A DCO? A value-lookup table? The only thing that makes me worry when I hear digital oscillator is the "stale, cold, frigid" effect.

But I have no idae if this would come into play, since I don't know how a frequency shifter works. Thanks!

--PBr

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:tony@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:46 PM
To: John Loffink; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Sorry for the huge delay replying to this. I've been really sick for over a week now.

The FS shown at NAMM is neither of those things, but one change that is being considered is having the local oscillator change from analog to digital, and this would cost effectively provide both features, and a wider range of shift. (Especially at the slower end) The multipliers would still be fully analog and so would the entire audio path. The price wouldn't change, but the ship date would slip. I think it would be a better product overall, but maybe other's would disagree.

Now's the time to speak up. Everyone I mentioned it to at NAMM thought it was a great idea.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:15 AM
To: 'Tony Karavidas'; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: RE: [motm] more NAMM poop

Frequency shifter? Yes!!!! Shifts through zero? Calibrated 1V/oct input? If so then this is a great price.

Bigger knobs on this one please. An oversized one for Manual Shift would not be out of place.

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> range of shift. (Especially at the slower end) The multipliers would still
> be fully analog and so would the entire audio path.

> No it's not. Remember the local oscillator needs to span a range of 17
> octaves ( not far off from Paul's ultra VCO, and that VCO alone costs $349
> assembled. ) and so to get real calibrated CV, you'd need CV control of

> that. In reality, you could choose a small range, but since this has
> application far different than an oscillator, calibrated CV isn't very
> important. What are you calibrating anyway? You're taking an input

> spectrum and shifting it by X Hertz. As soon as you start to shift your
> entire harmonic relationship starts to get mangled, so really what's the
> point to CV control other than to allow modification of how "messed" up
> things are getting? Once you shift too far, things all sound basically

> chipmunks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhaible [mailto:jhaible@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:31 PM
> To: John Loffink; 'J. Larry Hendry'; 'MOTM List'; Tony Karavidas
> Subject: Re: [motm] more NAMM poop
>
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> > range of shift. (Especially at the slower end) The multipliers
> would still
> > be fully analog and so would the entire audio path.
>
> Why ?
> If you make the oscillators digital (which is a good idea), you might as
> well
> replace the multipliers with multiplying DACs.
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> JH.
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Calibrated V/Oct response adds one usefull application: Transposing the
shift oscillator in parallel with the VCOs (or whatever input sound). So
you can get the same (harmonic or non-harmonic) partials over the whole
keyboard range

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> No it's not. Remember the local oscillator needs to span a range of 17
>octaves ( not far off from Paul's ultra VCO, and that VCO alone costs
>$349 assembled. ) and so to get real calibrated CV, you'd need CV control
>of all that.

>In reality, you could choose a small range, but since this
>has application far different than an oscillator, calibrated CV isn't
>very important. What are you calibrating anyway? You're taking an input
>frequency spectrum and shifting it by X Hertz. As soon as you start to
>shift your entire harmonic relationship starts to get mangled, so really
>what's the point to CV control other than to allow modification of how
>"messed" up things are getting?

>Once you shift too far, things all sound basically like chipmunks.

>The beauty of really slow shifts is apparent
>in spacey music. It has a gorgeous lush rising (or falling) sound.

>
>Why ? If you make the oscillators digital (which is a good idea),
>you might as well replace the multipliers with multiplying DACs.