MOTM

Hi all,

The OMS-820 PCBs have now arrived and are now starting to ship. For more
information go to: http://www.oakleysound.com/oms-820.htm

Thanks to all who have ordered already.

Cheers,

Tony

Larry sparked my interest on a multiples panel. I like probably many
others of you have skb pop up cases with a little extra space. Why not
get a piece of metal with a bunch of jacks (kinda like a pathcbay but
multiples) and make a 19in 1 spc multiple panel. Has this already been
discussed? Any idea where to get a piece of metal to use? 
matt


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> Larry sparked my interest on a multiples panel. I like probably many
> others of you have skb pop up cases with a little extra space. Why not
> get a piece of metal with a bunch of jacks (kinda like a pathcbay but
> multiples) and make a 19in 1 spc multiple panel. Has this already been
> discussed? Any idea where to get a piece of metal to use?
> matt

hello all,
that's just what i've been up to
on my 2U panel flat mounted a 960 power distribution board (i have an
external power supply for my skb cases), and in the dead space behind that
mounted a joystick from an old video game - thanks to larry for the buffer
circuit, also i've put two 4 way mults, a pair of three source selection
switches for live use, and a four way tie line to the outside world
i couldn't say where to get a panel in the US, mouser, digikey i suppose
will have then - make sure you get one with a lip, not just a flat 2U panel
cheers
paul b

h3y,
i use a behringer patchbay.  i have the nodules patched together 
through the back so you get 12 sets of 1 in/3 out.  you can also
patch 
more together to get more outs off one input.
have a good one...
peace,
doc


--- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:
> Larry sparked my interest on a multiples panel. I like probably many
> others of you have skb pop up cases with a little extra space. Why 
not
> get a piece of metal with a bunch of jacks (kinda like a pathcbay 
but
> multiples) and make a 19in 1 spc multiple panel. Has this already 
been

> discussed? Any idea where to get a piece of metal to use? 
> matt
> 
> 
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Hey doc,

I'm curious, did you use patch cables in the back or did you hardwire 'em
together?  (I have a similar [Furman] patchbay, not sure which method to
use.)

George
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From: <doc@...>
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: 19in Multiples Rack Panel


> h3y,
> i use a behringer patchbay.  i have the nodules patched together
> through the back so you get 12 sets of 1 in/3 out.  you can also
> patch
> more together to get more outs off one input.
> have a good one...
> peace,
> doc
>
>
> --- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:
> > Larry sparked my interest on a multiples panel. I like probably many
> > others of you have skb pop up cases with a little extra space. Why
> not
> > get a piece of metal with a bunch of jacks (kinda like a pathcbay
> but
> > multiples) and make a 19in 1 spc multiple panel. Has this already
> been
> > discussed? Any idea where to get a piece of metal to use?
> > matt

> I can't really vouch for the quality of the jacks, but they should be
> decent, if not superb.

I've got one and the quality of the jacks really is top notch. Where
Behringer cut costs is, they're not balanced.

Anyone know if this would work for 1/4" connectors? Its says "xlr and
neutrik"

http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/chassis/chassis.htm



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Not really.  neutrik connectors and XLR connecters use much larger 
mounting holes.  you'd probably be better off getting one designed 
for 1/4" jacks.  Try out the behringer patchbay, seriously, they're 
stupidly cheap.  www.behringer.com  or check out accessories at 
www.raxxess.com

--- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:
> Anyone know if this would work for 1/4" connectors? Its says "xlr 
and

> neutrik"
> 
> http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/chassis/chassis.htm
> 
> 
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How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.
Thanks
matt

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From: sucrosemusic@... [mailto:sucrosemusic@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:58 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: 19in Multiples Rack Panel

Not really.  neutrik connectors and XLR connecters use much larger 
mounting holes.  you'd probably be better off getting one designed 
for 1/4" jacks.  Try out the behringer patchbay, seriously, they're 
stupidly cheap.  www.behringer.com  or check out accessories at 
www.raxxess.com

--- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:
> Anyone know if this would work for 1/4" connectors? Its says "xlr 
and
> neutrik"
> 
> http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/chassis/chassis.htm
> 
> 
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The Behringer is the way to go.  8th Street Music has them for 
$39!  www.8thstreet.com I use a similar on my MOTM cab for both multiples, 
and patch points to a 8 channel mixer and the Kenton Pro-4.  Both have 
their jacks on the back of the units.  Works great.
dave

At 12:57 AM 11/28/2001 +0000, sucrosemusic@... wrote:

>Not really.  neutrik connectors and XLR connecters use much larger
>mounting holes.  you'd probably be better off getting one designed
>for 1/4" jacks.  Try out the behringer patchbay, seriously, they're
>stupidly cheap.  www.behringer.com  or check out accessories at
>www.raxxess.com

Well, depending on how you have the normalling set up on the 
behringer one...  I'd use "Paralell."  The thing's set up in 2 rows 
of 24 jacks, 2 rows on the front, 2 on the back, for 96 jacks 
total..  "Paralell" takes each column, front and back, and connects 
them.  So, your module could plug into the back of the unit, say the 
top jack, and you could run a short patch cable from the bottom jack 
in the back to the next column over.  This would give 4 jacks on the 
front that came from the one module's output/input/whatever.

I can't really vouch for the quality of the jacks, but they should be 
decent, if not superb.

http://www.behringer.com/eng/products/audiosolutions/px2000.htm

is a link that gives some info on the behringer patchbay.  Most of 
this stuff should apply to all patchbays.  You should read the manual 
that's posted there to get a better idea how the routing on the thing 
works.

--- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:

> How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
> easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.
> Thanks
> matt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sucrosemusic@y... [mailto:sucrosemusic@y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:58 PM
> To: motm@y...
> Subject: [motm] Re: 19in Multiples Rack Panel
> 
> Not really.  neutrik connectors and XLR connecters use much larger 
> mounting holes.  you'd probably be better off getting one designed 
> for 1/4" jacks.  Try out the behringer patchbay, seriously, they're 
> stupidly cheap.  www.behringer.com  or check out accessories at 
> www.raxxess.com
> 
> --- In motm@y..., <psygfx@y...> wrote:
> > Anyone know if this would work for 1/4" connectors? Its says "xlr 
> and
> > neutrik"
> > 
> > http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/chassis/chassis.htm
> > 
> > 
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The patch bay I have, you set it for half normal, and then run a jumper 
patch cord on the back between the two jacks.  That gives you four 
connected jacks on the front of the patch bay.  Here's a pic of what it 
looks like on the back.  http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/Motmback.jpg

dave


At 05:07 PM 11/27/2001 -0800, psygfx@... wrote:

>How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
>easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.
>Thanks

On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 05:37 PM, Dave Hylander wrote:
 > http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/Motmback.jpg

Poking around (can't resist) I noticed you had a jpeg of
a MIDIMan SurfaceOne (http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/surfaceone.jpg)

I've been considering one. What do you think of it?

Thomas

Nice! very inventive. And here I was going to build one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hylander [mailto:david@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:37 PM
To: psygfx@...; sucrosemusic@...; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] Re: 19in Multiples Rack Panel

The patch bay I have, you set it for half normal, and then run a jumper 
patch cord on the back between the two jacks.  That gives you four 
connected jacks on the front of the patch bay.  Here's a pic of what it 
looks like on the back.
http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/Motmback.jpg

dave


At 05:07 PM 11/27/2001 -0800, psygfx@... wrote:
>How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
>easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.
>Thanks


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I don't have one of these, but am considering it as well.  I don't think 
it's actually out yet.  Jim W. sent me this pic awhile back.  I think I 
remember him saying this is the prototype.  Looks cool though......

dave

At 05:51 PM 11/27/2001 -0800, Thomas Hudson wrote:

>Poking around (can't resist) I noticed you had a jpeg of
>a MIDIMan SurfaceOne (http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/surfaceone.jpg)
>
>I've been considering one. What do you think of it?

Holy mackerel.  Everyone should check out that images directory.  My 
only question... why monitor 1s?

And that brings up a question...  what monitors do you think I should 
get?  I know real analog can produce sounds way past what my crummy 
bookshelf speakers make, so what monitors are good 'n safe?

-Geoff

(and yes, I will be spending money, Paul, no worries there =] )

--- In motm@y..., Dave Hylander <david@h...> wrote:
> The patch bay I have, you set it for half normal, and then run a 
jumper 
> patch cord on the back between the two jacks.  That gives you four 
> connected jacks on the front of the patch bay.  Here's a pic of 
what it 
> looks like on the back.  
http://www.hylander.com/images/motm/Motmback.jpg

> 
> dave
> 
> 
> At 05:07 PM 11/27/2001 -0800, psygfx@y... wrote:
> >How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
> >easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.
> >Thanks

Well, back when I bought them years ago, they were pretty good for the 
price I paid.  Now I keep buying mo' motm and such, as well as feeding my 
guitar habit.  Did you check this one out? 
http://www.hylander.com/images/guitar/Driskillfullbody.JPG It a hand made 
custom by Joe Driskill.  Aside from coil tap humbuckers and single coil 
pickups, it has a custom bridge with 6 piezo's in it to output midi 
pitch.  It's a real fun way to motm.
dave

At 02:04 AM 11/28/2001 +0000, sucrosemusic@... wrote:

>Holy mackerel.  Everyone should check out that images directory.  My
>only question... why monitor 1s?
>
>And that brings up a question...  what monitors do you think I should
>get?  I know real analog can produce sounds way past what my crummy
>bookshelf speakers make, so what monitors are good 'n safe?

>How would I convert a patchbay to a multiples panel? I guess that's
>easier and cheaper than drilling holes and buying jacks.

Yes, that would be easier than building one from scratch, but the easiest
and most flexible solution would be the MOTM-910 which comes already
assembled and labeled.  Check it out.

Anyway, MOTM uses shielded connections and most 1/4" patchbays use switched
jacks.  If these connections remain, the redundant connections might create
ground loops.

Ignoring the possiblity of ground loops, most 1/4" patchbays (such as those
made by Re'an and the folks who re-label them) have jacks on both the front
and the back.  You don't need that.  After adding in the cost of plugs and
cables to use on the back jacks, it might be more expensive than simply
buying a blank 19" rack panel and 24 jacks.

If you want to save yourself work and are willing spend money on something
that is "MOTM quality", ADC offers several different patchbay panel kits
(they come with jacks installed, but they are unconnected) that you could
easily stitch with bus wire to create quality mults.

In selecting an assembled bay, you might want to keep in mind that
Behringer is the Doepfer of audio equipment, and there is nothing more
annoying than a jack that doesn't work when you need it.